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*a like for Little Shop song*

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Very good, Teague. Requests? Sweet Transvestite from Rocky Horror is a classic.

not long to go now...

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Why musicals have disappeared is an interesting question. I think part of it is the change Broadway went through in the 70's. The type of show that was often borrowed by Hollywood was replaced, first by experimental, stagy shows like Chicago and Chorus Line (bare, minimalist stage, little plot), then the large fully sung monsters introduced to us by British creators. These are damned HARD to translate to film, at least well, and there's a good reason it took decades for someone to attempt Chicago or Phantom. Annie was one of the last old guard shows.

Another factor is the cost of Broadway musicals. They're now incredibly expensive to produce: I think Wicked, the day it opened, needed to sell out for almost two years to BREAK EVEN. This means there is LESS incentive to allow a filmed version. A movie means people don't have to go to NYC to see the live version. It means the touring version will draw less. You only do a movie when, literally, you've sucked all the money out of every other profit stream.

There's also changing musical tastes, on and off broadway. You just don't get Broadway songs on the radio any more. "Tomorrow" from Annie was played on top 40 stations in the late 70's, and "One Night in Bangkok" from CHESS was a hit, but there's very little crossover now. No one even tries.

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6 (edited by Jen 2012-07-03 10:39:46)

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I think the subsidence, of musicals also probably has more than a bit to do with casting.  You can't just pick people who are known stars and put them in theatrical roles I think in some cases, like Chicago, it succeeds while in others, like Phantom of the Opera, it doesn't.    I think Gerard Butler did an ok job, but his more rock/pop style of singing paired horribly with Emmy Rossum's operatic style.  I think the casting of Nine was another case where a musical could have worked but didn't, for a multitude of reasons.  I think it can be done, and I think Les Miserables has done a good job in that respect with its casting, but I guess we'll see in December.

I agree with Invid that changing musical tastes also has a lot to do with why musicals aren't as successful as they once were.  Though that probably has a lot to do with the fact that stations are kind of "fixed" in what they play, so unfortunately its not just musicals which get the short end of that its other genres as well.

And Teague, very nicely done.

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Good point, I hadn't even thought of casting.

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I think Frank Oz said casting had been over for awhile before they realized they should see if Rick Moranis could even sing. While it worked out there, all too often it doesn't. Mind you, things could improve if vocal dubbing came back in style (and wouldn't be mentioned in the press).

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13 (edited by Allison 2012-07-04 20:40:40)

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There are so few filmed performances that there's little you can generalize about them. Usually they're done at the end of a run, as you said, or are even one off versions. PBS has aired some. Personally, I dislike the ones that are "cinematic", as opposed to just pointing the camera at the stage, mostly because they often are filmed without an audience. I want the actors to feed off the applause.

The lack of original movie musicals may have a bit to do with the problem of doing movies in general. Nobody is going to green light an unknown project, and no creator is going to bring their original show to Hollywood when they have a much better chance of getting it first performed on the stage. Gone are the days when a studio will have in house composers to provide songs for films (and, lets face it, most movie musicals used existing hit songs as a way to sell records, and you can get that now by just playing the song over a scene). I'm sure the reason we don't get musicals in independent films is many of those are from writer/directors, and very few of those are also songwriters, or willing to bring in yet another creator to interfere with their vision.

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16 (edited by BigDamnArtist 2012-07-09 21:22:35)

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17 (edited by Mr. Pointy 2012-07-12 16:04:39)

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A little disappointed you guys didn't talk about Whedon's musicals (Dr. Horrible and Once More With Feeling, the Buffy episode).

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But a good discussion, glad there wasn't too much musical hate (or really none at alll).

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18 (edited by Zarban 2012-07-21 11:16:28)

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Pft. I coulda done it.

/make assertions you'll never have to live up to day

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I had a thought today I don't think I've heard mentioned. Is part of the death of musicals due to the rise of using actual songs as background music? In the episode someone listed Tarzan as one of Disney's musicals. It's not. All the Phil Collins songs are just part of the soundtrack, with no characters actually singing. You get the same emotional effect, speaking the subtext, without having your characters dancing around the screen. From the studio's perspective, it's even better. Old MGM musicals were often created around existing songs to promote record or even sheet music sales. Now you can use any movie to do that!

Thus, we can blame either Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, which had the "Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head" bit, or Lucas for American Graffiti.

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23 (edited by BigDamnArtist 2012-07-24 07:34:10)

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