Topic: TRON: Legacy.

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Went in expecting something very bad, and was...pleasantly surprised. Pleasant is the perfect word, I kept grinning and giggling at things that nobody in the audience seemed to recognize. Loved seeing the old ships re-imagined but recognizable, had a great time with the story, and my love for Olivia Wilde is not paralleled by any other love in my life. I just dug it.

It's a movie with a bizarre, undeniable identity - it feels a lot like The Matrix to me in that way. But unlike the Matrix, it's starkly classic in its sci-fi, and in an old school way we haven't seen in a long time. (Dystopian society hasn't been presented like this in quite a while. It reminds me of Logan's Run or THX 1138.) It felt good to be back in that. Alien and Blade Runner were a welcome change at the time, but the proceeding twenty-five years have made me kind of sick of oily, realistic sci-fi.

They could have spent a bit more time developing the title character, but...perhaps because I'm just wrong, I think of "TRON" as being the world, not the character. We spent a lot of time learning about the history of TRON, and that's one of the reasons I preferred this as a story to the Matrix sequels. The best thing that came after The Matrix was The Animatrix, and The Second Renaissance in particular. We had a full crazy history of the world in a supplement. With this movie, the whole history was a part of it, not a supplement.

I understood what was going on in the story the whole time - the movie isn't without fridge logic, but there's functional logic throughout and that's very helpful. It's kinetic in a way TRON never was, but it's not the shameless excuse for crazy battle scenes it could have been. (That said: drooooooooool)

And I'll spend the least amount of time on the most-discussed aspects: the visuals and the score were sublime.

Not a perfect movie, but a thoroughly enjoyable one on a par with Star Trek. Well played, team.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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I chalk it up in part to really low expectations -- between the dullness of the original, the horrible reviews I'd been hearing, and just the general expectation I have for these kinds of movies thanks to the Bay/McG factor -- but I, too, found myself enjoying the film significantly more than I expected to.

I liked most of the ideas laid out in the film but I felt like there was too much and none of it was developed to its full potential. It wasn't a situation like TRANSFORMERS 2, where ideas were raised and dropped on a scene-by-scene basis because they were just trying to fill time -- I really had the feeling that the filmmakers were trying to bring them all together, that it probably made sense in their heads, and it just didn't quite gel in the final product.

At a full two hours, it's long for this kind of movie, and it had definite pacing issues. However, I don't think the movie was too long, just that they didn't use the time wisely.

I'd heard that the Pixar brain trust were called in during reshoots to advise on story problems. That could certainly explain why the story is kind of there but doesn't quite hang together. If they'd been brought in at the beginning instead of called in for triage I bet they would have made it work.

My biggest issue was with dialogue. The main character Sam spent 95% of the movie either narrating what was happening in front of him ("He's building an army!") or spouting off trailerspeak ("Whoa!" "Here we go!" "You gotta be kidding me!"), and they held a gun to Jeff Bridges' head and forced him to play The Dude instead of Flynn.

I think I've decided I love Michael Sheen though -- while I didn't really like his character in this film, any man who can chew the scenery so fearlessly, take roles in a wide range of kooky genre flicks with no hesitation, and then flip a switch and become David Frost or Tony Blair with total credibility...that's an actor, man.

I think my favorite comment about CLU was along the lines of "Not only did he fall into the bottom of the Uncanny Valley, he landed on his face." He just...didn't work. He came straight out of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. We're a post-Benjamin Button and -Avatar society, we can and have done better. On the other hand, he was consistently bad, as opposed to some hero shots working and others being of varying quality. And also he was supposed to be, literally, computer-generated. So you could rationalize it. But it never really worked for me.

The movie was actually quieter and less kinetic in the action than I've become accustomed to. On the one hand I think they could have kicked the sound design up a notch (BAM), but on the other hand I kind of appreciated an action spectacle that didn't feel like it was screaming "DUUURRRRRR!" in my face while it hit me with a spoon.

So I liked it well enough. I'll probably pick it up on Blu-Ray if there are decent special features, and I could see myself watching some sequences of it again (though probably not the whole film, aside from DIF-related occasions).

If anyone out there hasn't seen it and is on the fence, try to catch a matinee and hold the 3D. It wasn't really worth the $17 (yeah, you heard me) I paid to see it, but I'd say it's worth your $6 or $7.

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I feel ya on the "lots of ideas with a disproportionately small amount of idea payoff," but I got the sense that the guys actually had a bible for the movie and manuevered a story out of it, they didn't put the whole thing on screen. *cough* Matrix sequels.

I'll bet we get payoffs for some of the ideas introduced here in "TRON 3: We should just call this TRON 2."

That said, if the movie had combined your point about misuse of time with your point about paying off just a couple more of the ideas, we would have had another candidate for the "strange perfect movie" shelf.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Calling it now: if there's a sequel, I bet it's called TRON LIVES.

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I haven't seen it yet, but I've been adoring the soundtrack, which buys a lot of miles for me.  Speaking of miles, I'll soon have wheels again (been car-less for some time now), and would really like to see it in all it's IMAX 3D glory.  However, I'm smack dab in the middle of nowhere, and the nearest IMAX screen is about an hour away, at $15 a seat.  Add the (conservative estimate of) another $15 in gas and Mike's recommendation, a local 2D showing is making more sense.

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Like you guys, I was quite entertained by this movie. I don't get the bad rap it's getting. It's got some rough edges to be sure, but it's not nearly as clumsy or broken as the majority of big action/effects movies tend to be. I'm probably gonna see it again Sunday.

Too bad there's no IMAX screen within a reasonable distance from me.

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I enjoyed it as well, clunkiness aside.  The Disc Wars was surprisingly innovative with how they did it, same with the light cycles.  I wanted more of those and less of the light jets.  I love the ideas they put forth with the idea of CLU being limited by the fact that he was programmed by Flynn of the past, not the present.  Surprisingly the performance I walked away most impressed from was Olivia Wilde's.  She brought a lot of nuance to a role that could have been a throaway.  And obviously, I adore the soundtrack.

Eddie Doty

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I agree mostly with everything Dorkman says. Although, I enjoyed Jeff Bridges' "Dude" like acting/dialogue. Also CLU's poor CGI oddly worked for me since he is an imperfect older Flynn copy.

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dj_bakerman wrote:

Although, I enjoyed Jeff Bridges' "Dude" like acting/dialogue.

The best incentive to see it i've heard yet.

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I've been having a conversation about this movie with some people over the last couple of days, and after some reflection, I have to say that I think this film is a LOT smarter than I thought after initially watching it. This movie is like reverse fridge logic. You go to get a beer when something you thought was really trivial and pointless in the movie suddenly makes sense and thus feels more important to the scene / film.

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So yeah, I just got back from it...and i gotta say, I'm really really diggin it. And unlike some people, I didn't walk into it with low expectations, but I still got a damn entertaining movie. Granted with a few rough edges here and there, but compared to a lot of stuff that's been coming out lately, it was absolutely magical...then again I could still just be star struck by the skin tight leather and that haircut...oh my god that hair cut, on her, pure magic, sorry Teague but I'm gonna have to steal her for myself.

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Had dibs, I've been on about Olivia Wilde since four years ago. You're a Johnny Come Lately, bub, back of the line.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Damn you sir.

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No spoilers in this post either:

Saw it at a midnight showing. Nothing short of tremendous in regards to the effects. Everything I had hoped Avatar would be in terms of visual content, Tron: Legacy delivered a year later. The soundtrack is without question my favorite of any film this year. Words don't do Daft Punk's perfect score justice. You have to experience it for yourself. The story could have been a bit more cohesive but it's not bad by any means. The religious parables are plentiful and intriguing. The performances varied between decent and good and a certain someone's cameo had the entire theater shit bricks. I won't ruin it for you but keep an eye out during the board room scene. Also, Jeff Bridges basically plays The Dude trapped in cyberspace. If that last bit isn't enough to make you see this movie, then you need to reconsider life on this planet.

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Saw it in IMAX 3D. Daft Punk was, by far, the best thing about this movie. Flynn's dialogue bugged me. Hedlund's performance was surprisingly good. I just felt that the story was a little bit all over the place. But hey, I had a good time. It looked friggin' incredible, and that more than made up for the story's faults for me.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Ewing wrote:

Nothing short of tremendous in regards to the effects. Everything I had hoped Avatar would be in terms of visual content, Tron: Legacy delivered a year later.

Wait...are you saying that Avatar DIDN'T live up to your expectations visually??!?

I shudder to think what you were expecting.

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