Well, to answer your question, I am and have always been horrified by Jamie, specifically, and GoT's sensibility from day one. So, you are not the only person "horrified" by it, Doc.

Beyond that, I really don't have an answer. HBO has been pushing the boundaries as far as they can with GoT. I mean, if I recall correctly, wasn't Danereys marriage to Drogo and their wedding night considered "rapey" as well? I only ask because I can't remember.

In the book, Dany consents the first time.  But GRRM makes it very clear in the book that for a while after her deflowering, the sex life in the Drogo household was most assuredly rapey.  SO rapey that Dany is about to kill herself until she has a dream about the dragon eggs.   She wakes from this dream with a new perspective, and their relationship from that point on becomes more about love and mutual respect. 

In the show, they compress those events.  In the scene where Jason Momoa is absolutely mauling poor Emilla Clarke , you see the look of pain on Dany's face, until she focuses on her Dragon Eggs.  Then you see a change in her.  It's subtle, but the point is made clear.

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Okay, so I still think that regardless of Jaime's moral character he would never rape someone. Hurting women, especially Cersei, is something that time and time again we're reminded of his disgust for. He remembers his anger at not being able to prevent the Mad King from raping his wife. In season 1, Ned asks Cersei if a bruise on her face is from Robert, and she replies that "Jaime would have killed him." He puts his own safety at risk to prevent Brienne from being raped. He says that he would rather die than be raped.

The message is clear.

Is Jaime a sterling example of moral fortitude? Of course not. But of all the ways to show that, they had to choose the one thing that we've been assured is beyond even his capacity for evil? Come the fuck on.

Anyway, my friend and I have been doing a weekly podcast this season, and we just did one discussing this episode. I encourage you to listen and explain to me why I'm wrong.

http://moviefail.com/2014/04/26/game-th … er-chains/

I think if Jaime's is smart enough to know that rape is wrong, he's smart enough to know what rape is.

Yup.  Apparently this is the first example of the series getting ahead of the books.  Probably won't be the last for this season, either.

Son.  Of.  A.  BITCH.

I had totally forgotten all about this.

http://io9.com/this-accidental-game-of- … 1568796246

Holy crap that's good! Much better than "The Little Crastcals".

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Hmm.
We have the books, which could be used to spoil the tv series. But, if the tv show catches up and overtakes, they'll be able to spoil the books. So, is this an unprecedented situation in pop culture?
It's going to make for an interesting online dynamic if that happens. I think I feel tentatively uncomfortable.

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I liked how episode 5 was basically just a sitcom. The show has had plenty of moments like that in the past but this episode was practically nothing but them top to bottom.

I love that the best source for hints at the final two books are the tv show now.

Overheard at a party, about a year from now...

"Hi, I'm George R.R. Martin."
"The guy who writes the novelizations of that HBO show?  Cool!"