Topic: Me being completely shameless... please don't hate me

Hey all, so I'm officially out in the big wide world, just graduated from film school. And I'm kinda in a lull as far as jobs/ money making ventures/ general filmmaking goodness. So I'm here to throw myself to the wind and see if anything pops up.

My current demo-reel and website: chriswalker.ca

From my home set-up I can offer 3D services, anything involving the adobe suite (Photoshop, after effects, premiere, soundbooth, illustrator) and high quality photography services.

I am experienced in all of the above and I work cheap or free (for now) depending on the project.

Right now, I am better suited towards doing smaller projects, but if you have something in mind hit me up and we'll see what we can figure out.

I am currently located in North Vancouver, BC, Canada.

You can either message me here or shoot me an email at chriswalkerisanartist@gmail.com

@Teague: I'll leave the decision whether to keep this up or not to you. I'm just trying to come at my situation from all angles. Read: desperate

Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2011-10-07 23:09:41)

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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*shrug* Let it ride. Good luck.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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*nods* Thank you sir.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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Congrats on graduation dude, may the market be kind.

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Matt Vayda wrote:

...may the market be kind.

Thanks, but perhaps you missed the whole been graduated 2 months already, and I'm so desperate I'm posting here... thing.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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What 3D software do you use?

Regardless of your answer, start learning another one every waking hour of your day. (Seriously.)

And don't forget this.


/not helpful

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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As much as I like our little corner of the internet, it's not going to get you eyeballs or work.

The good news is, there's a metric fuckton of work in Vancouver, and seemingly more every day, but it's not going to come and find you. You've got a reel, a brand new education in the relevant field, and the freedom to work a dirt cheap rate in exchange for being able to tell the next place you have industry experience and a new reel to show for it -- get that out there.

I'd start with the 2-Pop jobs forum. Submit to every listing that isn't looking for a "Senior" whatever and that you feel confident with the software involved. White lies about your competence are okay; tall tales are not. If you start to see a lot of listings for a program you don't know, learn that shit.

If you do Twitter, there are a couple of accounts you can follow that aggregate VFX job postings from around the world, including Vancouver with some frequency:

@VFXJobHunt
@vfxjoblist
@VFXrecruit

When you send submission emails, keep it short and sweet. They don't need your life story or a blowjob about how highly you regard their company, just the information relevant to the position you're applying for and a few selling points. Acknowledge your lack of experience but don't apologize for it -- you're eager and ready to learn and you would love the opportunity etc. And, just in case it needs to be said, don't go defensive and tell them you're not apologizing for it; just, you know, be cool.

Good luck.

/possibly helpful

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Thanks Dorkman, possibly helpful, but the only thing that I haven't really heard time and time again and am, in fact, doing time and time again, is 2-top.

I wasn't kidding when I said times were getting desperate.

@Teague: I used Maya primarily when I was in school, so right now that's the one I'm most versed in. But now that that whole, broke ass student kicked out the door thing has kicked in, I'm going back and reteaching myself Blender for anything I'm doing right now, and it's actually surprising me how powerful it still is.

EDIT: I'm also not expecting any sort of giant visual effects jobs to come flying my way because I posted on here. At most, I was thinking I could find someone who needed a nice poster done up or something like that.

I am desperate, not stupid.

Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2011-10-08 04:36:03)

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I'd go with Lightwave or Cinema 4D - you'll find six houses that use either of those before you'll find one that uses Blender.

Blender is powerful, but it's still only catching on in bits and pieces in the industry. Lightwave is big in the TV biz.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Yes, except that whole, broke student thing. It's woop-de-doo fine to grab a cracked version or trial or whatever just to learn it, but if I'm trying to actually make some dough with it, most companies tend to frown on that sort of behavior.

Hence Blender.

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Companies...frown? Huh? They won't know. (I'm also not aware of a situation wherein someone at any company was surprised anybody else at a company had pirated software, much less cared.)

All that matters is when they say "your reel is great, but we're really more of a Lightwave studio" (or whatever it is) that you can say "I've played with that a bit, yeah."

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Wait...we're coming at this from two different angles here. Stop, rewind, I'll explain.

I agree with you, I do. But I posted this as a solo individual looking for small jobs to help me keep my skills up and bring a little cash. As in me, myself, and I, working from my home computer, making money. Doing that, using cracked software, is not exactly a risk I'm willing to take, or something ethically I want to do either.

However, if I am doing that just to fuck around with it so I can tell a studio yeah I've used it and kinda know what I'm doing. Great, fine, I have zero problems with that. And completely agree with you. Which I will also be doing.

But when you asked what 3D package I use (In response to what I thought was the first situation), I answered as such.

Clear as mud at night?

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I understand ethically, sure. I use purchased software for almost everything, but sometimes you gotta stretch here or there to brush up on what you may eventually need.

...what's the...risk? There's a little risk, I guess, in the torrent phase, but what exactly are you worried about?

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Alright. Since this seems to be difficult for you.

I post my ad here.
I get a job doing something small. (Ala, a poster, or a little intro video for some stupid little internet video, whatever)
I do job using pirated software.
I get paid.
Big company find out I use thier pirated software to make money.
I get fucked over by their lawyers with a strap on the size of hong kong.

Capiche?

Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2011-10-08 05:02:55)

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Be cool. The part that seems like a leap is the "company finds out, kills me in my sleep" bit. I'm not aware of that having been a problem for anyone I know, or anyone who knows anyone I know. Or anyone I know of.

That's all I'm saying. It's good to be worried about that kind of thing, but you're much more likely to starve. I'm just keeping an eye out for that one. wink

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Maybe it's just the film school in me, I've had to sit through more than one exciting lecture on the hazards of using illegal software for personal gain. That... or the horror stories from people who get caught for much much less heinous infringements (music, anyone?) and get raked over the coals.

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maul2 wrote:

Maybe it's just the film school in me, I've had to sit through more than one exciting lecture on the hazards of using illegal software for personal gain. That... or the horror stories from people who get caught for much much less heinous infringements (music, anyone?) and get raked over the coals.

Let me stop you right there. Film school?

Film school.

Show of hands, guys, of who thinks film school actually helps anyone make money.

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Yes, I get it, I've had to stomach 3 years of people lecturing me on that one. Whatever, it's done and over with.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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Lightwave is seriously fun. I haven't used it for a few years (since v. 6.5 or 7), but you should learn to play with it.

Get the software by any means necessary, and buy a license when you begin to make money from it. Ethically it's a little grey but you're effectively still a student with no money. Your reel is your meal ticket.

Unlike Autodesk or the Foundry, Newtek don't have a programme for students to use a learning edition or obtain significant discount (afaik). If we were talking about learning Nuke or any of the Autodesk range, I wouldn't suggest piracy - it's just not required.

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Lightwave does have a trial mode. I think it's called...preview? Mode? Something with a P, I think. I believe the limitation is mostly poly limit, 200,000 if I recall correctly.

Lightwave plus a few hours of tutorials is a blast, especially for sims.





By the way I know a guy who could hook you up with a cracked version right now.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Noted.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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If visual effects is anything like pro wrestling, my favorite way to get ahead is to hit the champ with a steel chair and piss him off so he WANTS to wrestle me.

I don't know if that's helpful or not but it's always worked for me.

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When.

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Gregory Harbin wrote:
maul2 wrote:

Maybe it's just the film school in me, I've had to sit through more than one exciting lecture on the hazards of using illegal software for personal gain. That... or the horror stories from people who get caught for much much less heinous infringements (music, anyone?) and get raked over the coals.

Let me stop you right there. Film school?

Film school.

Show of hands, guys, of who thinks film school actually helps anyone make money.

Without school I would not have gotten my internship, without my internship my career would not have happened.
doty

Eddie Doty

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Eddie wrote:
Gregory Harbin wrote:
maul2 wrote:

Maybe it's just the film school in me, I've had to sit through more than one exciting lecture on the hazards of using illegal software for personal gain. That... or the horror stories from people who get caught for much much less heinous infringements (music, anyone?) and get raked over the coals.

Let me stop you right there. Film school?

Film school.

Show of hands, guys, of who thinks film school actually helps anyone make money.

Without school I would not have gotten my internship, without my internship my career would not have happened.
doty

Plus, in terms of fallback positions, there is no difference between a degree in film studies, lit, or sociology.  They all equally qualify you for a job managing a Target.  And even that's not the end of the road - one of my best friends majored in dance and she's in med school now.

So whatever.  Film studies make as much sense as anything else.

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