Re: Transformers 2 - Revenge of the Fallen
In transformers 3 there will be a rich snooty robot that turns into a bently. They should just give him the nick of diddy. He will prolly have a hubcap as a monicle.
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In transformers 3 there will be a rich snooty robot that turns into a bently. They should just give him the nick of diddy. He will prolly have a hubcap as a monicle.
Holy shit, you just developed the basis of a workable Transformers movie.
I love the idea of the Transformers hiding here because there were already machines like them, and the idea of the Decepticons attacking and not understanding that the machines were not actually the dominant species. Like you say, the movie -- and its sequel -- just about write themselves from that premise.
Their pseudo-religious motivation doesn't quite work (Decepticons need to deceive people, which requires that they, too, disguise themselves), but there's material there to work with.
You did what I (and the actual screenwriters) could not do. Hats off.
Aw shucks. I mean, thanks and all, but I'm really not sure what I spewed out would be such a good movie at all. I just walked down to the corner store and back, and while I did I was thinking about where you could squeeze a human being and some conflict into that story. Cause what's in my head sort of depends on the alien robots being both alien and robotic. They're REALLY different from us, which has the potential to be interesting if you're into that sort of thing, but it doesn't make 'em relateable. Relatable? However you spell that.
So I'm thinking, okay. The President comes out and says … here, blah, whatever he says. The President can't take a shit without 30% of the country thinking it's the end of the world, so obviously there's a conflict there. There's the "We're harboring refugees" angle versus the whole "It's not our war" angle, and that's a story that's both relevant and (hey, bonus) easy to tell. But it's awfully cerebral, y'know? I don't mind that, 'cause those are the kinds of movies I happen to like, but that's not the only snack on the craft services table. What I think both the Transformers movies did well was to take a fairly relatable human character and put him in the center of the story. So much else was wrong, but props to them for that, 'cause that could have been on their list of failures, and they averted it. So yeah.
On the other hand, we could take a total War of the Worlds angle here, and introduce a POV character with absolutely no power in the story, and no large-scale goals. He just wants to get out of the burning city, he wants to find his kids, whatever. And the Big Story™ happens around him, or whatever. That's okay too, but that story has been told before, so I'm not wild about it.
I guess what attracts me about the Transformers concept — not the cartoons or the toys or the movies, but just the central concept — is this idea of mixing the utterly mundane with the ineffably incomprehensible. There's this giant robot from outer space who literally could not be more different from me, who I'd probably have a hard time even recognizing as sentient he's so different, and yet he hides out for fear of his life by disguising himself as a garbage truck.
That idea feels, like, sexy to me, or whatever. It's seductive. That premise is a great big sandbox, and there's a lot of playing you can do in it. I'm just pissed that what we've gotten instead is a decades-long series of kids' shows and stupid movies that exist for no purpose other than to sell toys and cars, respectively.
Anyway. That's how I see it. But I'm just some guy who listened to a podcast and got all typey.
Optimus Prime is Air Force One
Soundwave is The Pentagon
Bumblebee is Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s #88
Jazz is The Utah Jazz
Skids is The USS Enterprise
Mudflap is the OEOB
Jetfire is still the SR71
No farting parachutes, though, right? Somebody tell me that there can be no farting of parachutes.
I'll just throw in my "jesus christ that's awesome" and leave you guys to this.
Sweet jeebus, the first justifiable backstory for the transformers I've ever heard. Nice.
One way to fix the problem of balancing relatable human characters and giant robots fighting, both so essential to a film like this, is to give the robots human allies. They don't have to be operators, because the robots can drive themselves. Maybe they're the people who rode in the vehicles to maintain the illusion all this time. Maybe they're some kind of technicians to change the robot's oil. Hell, maybe the robots just need people with tiny hands to pick things up from narrow spaces.
Now the alien robots can be as alien as they need to be, but their buddies have worked with them for so long, they've come to understand the way they communicate, like the way Luke talks to R2, or the way you can listen to your car's engine and know that it's trying to tell you something. Now the humans are providing the dialogue and mirroring the conflict which the robots can play out on a larger scale. Really, they need some way to tie the story back to experiences you and I might have, so the more like us the humans are, the better.
It could even add another point of conflict, where the decepticons would never debase themselves by taking these delicate little meatbags onboard, but then we lose the element of the bad guys also having someone to speak for them.
Gregory has just admitted in a thread on NP2K that he actually did like Transformers 2.
I suggest throwing him in the nearest volcano.
Hey, no cross-pollination, Hamil. We've got to keep these boards separate or things'll get messy.
Loved this commentary, a lot of fun watching such a bad movie (lucked out, didn't have to buy it, was on cable the other day and I DVR'd it just for the podcast).
And a belated point probably forgotten, but I think Dorkman mentioned he thought he ate some pot brownies once? If you had, I think you would remember ![]()
Jeffery's rewrite is great, but he's also right that you absolutely need Shia to be integral to the story. Gregory's take on who is what is slightly better. No kid would want robot toys that transform into a locomotive, a turbine generator, an ICBM, or the Large Hadron Collider, but we might need some other alternatives to the Pentagon and the Utah Jazz. We obviously need an iPhone and a PS3 and whatever else kids think is cool. Jet boots or something. Electric toothbrush, maybe. Kids still think that's cool, right?
But if the Autobots are hiding from the big bad Decepticons, why would the Autobots kick ass when the Decepticons arrive? Maybe... the Allspark has been carried to earth by Bumblebee and Shia has found it and befriended Bumblebee, bringing Shia into the story and giving the Autobots the advantage they lacked in the prolog.
And Megan Fox is still the superhot chick. Only this time she isn't orange, okay? Seriously. Can we address this?
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It's important to note that I was 19 when Transformers (and GI Joe and also Australian rules football) was on TV, and I only watched it one time when I was sick and hopped up on four cold medicines.
I totally agree with this commentary. Bay was left to run amok, film explosions, chase scenes, and other non plot related stuff until the money ran out. It was an exorcise in excess.
I genuinely feel bad for all the crew that toiled for countless hours over this to make this film look amazing. However, without anything resembling a plot it's just 3 hours of robot fellatio.
The fact that someone worked for hours on end to create Devastator's testicles, then the fact that they couldn't even get the joke right "I am under the enemy scrotum". It's just sad.
I think I despised the mother almost as much as the Chris Tucker-bots.
If they would have stuck with just one idea the film may have worked. Instead, it feels like the script was written by two guys pulling ideas out of a hat at random and then filming in that order.
On a side note, over here at Drexel University they filmed some of the college sequences on campus. I saw Bumblebee but sadly, no Megan Fox.
This thread makes me miss Harrell.
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