BigDamnArtist wrote:

Sorry if that's how what I said came off, it's not what I meant.
How do I put this... the problem I'm trying to get at, is that PJ wants to have his cake and eat it too.

I totally agree on that. Sorry, I didn't mean to address the point about the violence to you alone. I just learned the new perspective over christmas and this seemed the most opportune moment to mention it!

On the subject of the violence, it's tempting to forget that you're an adult with years of experience and desensitivation towards more severe forms, but I'd encourage all of us to not to think that the lack of blood spurts and gore somehow makes violence more acceptable or more appropriate for kids. A beheading is still a beheading, and firing an arrow through an orc's head is just as violent without blood as with blood. The DoS EE has been given a 15 rating here in the UK, which puts it on the same level as Taken 2 (which I'm sure we'd all agree is not for kids).

There was a bit of debate over violence and ratings over Christmas (my siblings all have young children) and it was interesting to hear how even 'clean violence' was still influential. I've seen the young ones attempt to duplicate the fighting of Power Rangers, so on the face of it, there's no such thing as clean, appropriate violence, no matter how cartoonish it is. That's probably another topic though.

Saw this today, and whilst I was entertained I agree with the general sentiments so far.

I was surprised that the Tauriel and Kili relationship, for all the time it spent up, ultimately meant nothing. At the end, I couldn't help but wonder what the point of it was. Since we'll never see Tauriel again, we don't know how it has affected her beyond the immediate. Was it to teach Thranduil to be a better person? For all its bloatedness, I felt the movie needed more endings. Except Bilbo, all the plot threads are just dropped. Bard in Dale and Dain under the mountain, the fate of most characters essentially, are left unresolved. The one character resolution we do get, Legolas, is unnecessary and bordered on cringe-inducing fan-service.

The trilogy has moments of utter brilliance/beauty, where it hits the spot perfectly, but too often it seems like a child with an overactive imagination is smashing toys together or the writers are rewriting their story so often they can't remember what notes they hit before and what to hit next. So often there's an entire plot thread that goes nowhere, doesn't really make much sense from the outset or isn't shown to make sense with what is shown.

Sam F wrote:

This movie was missing some establishing shots. Up on the pillar where Thorin went to meet Azog, the dwarves split up and they kept cutting between them; on the move, without establishing where they were. I didn't need a geolocation, but I needed more information than just a head shot with a sky in the background. In fact I found a lot of the editing choices in this film appalling. How many honest and trustworthy eyes saw cuts of this movie before its release?

I agree. The editing in all of these Tolkien movies hasn't been very good (IMHO). Dwalin disappears for a good portion of the climax on the pillar for instance.

79

(19 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Herc wrote:

...were freely available without subscription

Yes, this. One of the greatest problems with access is quite literally access. There's been a move towards making scientific papers open access (i.e. free) but it's limited and inconsistent. I definitely think the expense of some articles is a barrier to exploration into fields that are unfamiliar, even I bet across academic fields. People aren't going to be inclined to read a paper if the price tag is $50 and there's a high risk that most of it would fly over their heads, people generally don't like to be made to feel stupid. Granted, publishers and authors should receive revenue, but does a PDF clipping from an issue published in the 70s still warrant a price tag? I work in the pharmaceutical industry and look at papers quite often, and I'm surprised at how often key papers (like guidelines) are on a subscription model. Like with many things, I think a better balance could be had with this.

Similarly, a delicate balance is needed when it comes to simplying complicated concepts for the layman audience. Personally, I'm very wary of second-hand interpretations of studies, as these can be, and often are, misunderstood (either deliberately or accidentally). Papers have a substantial section dedicated to discussion of the results and there's another smaller section for the conclusion - both are key in giving context to both the results and the study in the wider literature - and yet neither are especially fascinating. They're far from the 'definitive headline' that neatly wraps up everything. I've read some studies which essentially discount their results. Given the rise in internet preaching, the source is your best chance of getting the actual data, unfiltered through someone else's agenda.

And yet we have to reconcile this with the necessity of second-hand interpretation. As you guys have said, it's sometimes impenetrable. We need the translation but often, academics cannot write for the layperson (or just don't have the time). People who can make the words more understandable and engaging are a vital link in the chain.

I don't know... ideally the 'popsci vectors' would kickstart the pursuit of the real science and want to learn how to 'read' the academic form of the information. The specialism of knowledge is pretty amazing when you think about it, we've collected so much information that no-one can be expert in it all.

That's interesting to consider I'll admit. How did Luke make his I wonder? Are we to imagine that ghost ObiWan was giving instructions? Not the kind of on the job training that's safe!

But I thought

  Show
this was maybe an ancient sect of Force users rather a new one?

Vents make little sense to me, especially since lightsabres are a familar technology (why would it be unstable?). It's a sword and swords have guards.

I love the fact that the design intent appears to be 'if Jedi are samurai, then this new sect are european knights'.

I dimly recall Mark Hamil comments on Empire of Dreams or one of the main documentaries that the feeling was that they had weight (possibly in the context of the prequels, where they have no weight) but that doesn't necessarily mean broadswords... as broadswords aren't any actually heavier or slower than katanas.

83

(10 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I really like the LOTR commentaries - both official and WAYDM.

Joss Whedon's commentary for the Avengers is pretty good. That man is frighteningly brilliant.

84

(346 replies, posted in Off Topic)

It's great news; everything has appeared to have gone well. The eternal optimist in me hopes this is the beginning of a new era in human space flight!

Trey wrote:

The thing that puzzles me about that comic is the ship at right doesn't resemble any Star Wars vehicle that I can think of, but does look very much like an Eagle from Space 1999.

It's the Rebel Transport toy - you could remove the front to expose the cockpit. Needless to say, it was not to scale!

http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2013/11/S5006189.jpg

86

(33 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I love Stargate! It's one of my favourites. The first two Mummy movies are quite fun (and family friendly) too.

87

(33 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I'd maybe start kids off with Voyage Home? As that is the most fun and accessible.

And Davis dodging blaster shots in his x-wing cockpit smile

89

(33 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Jurassic Park for sure - I went to the cinema shortly before I turned 12 and I remember it well because it was a date with a girl who lived down the road. Fantastic movie. I saw it a few months ago with some nephews and nieces and it still holds up well, one of those films that will always be a hit with everyone in the family on a sunday afternoon.

Then the obvious ones, I honestly don't remember how old I was when I first saw Star Wars, Star Trek, Jones etc. but I was watching them alot around this time. I think I was about this age when I saw Aliens for the first time. One of those negotiations with my mother, which in retrospect helped enormously overcome my fear of aliens which I'd already seen outside of the context of the movies, firstly because my elder brother had a big poster on the inside of his room door (for years I was afraid to walk past it, which was difficult because our rooms were next to each other) and second because I was reading the comic adaptation of the movie.

Oddly though, I definitely saw Predator at this age and that hadn't been an issue. I did get in trouble at school when quoting Hawkins' joke to some friends. Of course, I had no idea what they meant.

What a great teaser. Looked interesting but without really showing us anything that would reveal too much. I love the X-wings and Falcon shots... and when the music and titles came up I realised I had a big smile on my face.

It still doesn't seem real somehow. Are we really getting a new Star Wars sequel this time next year?

To watch or not to watch. That is the question.

92

(1 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Goldman's quote (I think it's Goldman) refers to the protagonist too, so it's not necessarily true that the end of a war be the most important story to tell. Different people are going to remember different events in their lives as being the most important. Your WW2 example is a good one for this, given its immense scope. A little girl growing up in occupied France might have the defining moment of her experience be tasting chocolate for the first time after being liberated. The most important event a 19-year-old soldier from Brooklyn might have would be storming the Normandy beach and having his best friend killed. Someone in Bulgaria is going to have a completely different life-defining moment during the war as someone in Egypt. And as the war effectively ended at different times for different people, the end of the war becomes an elusive issue.

Also, in the specific case of WW2, it wasn't one climax that ended the war but an inevitable conclusion that was dragged out over many years. It wasn't an attack on the death star or beheading of a snake. Instead, you have lots of key turning points, which I would argue are much more dramatic than the final surrenders. I wonder whether Montgomery looked back on accepting the German surrender or defeating Rommel at El Alamein as the most important thing he had ever done? We have two films about Pearl Harbour, the start of the war, but I don't think we have any that show the Japanese surrender on the Missouri. Looking back on Band of Brothers, the last episode is probably a bit anti-climatic even. One of my favourite WW2 films is The Heroes of Telemark, which is about Norwegians delaying German development of the atomic bomb by destroying their heavy water stockpile. Did it kill thousands of young men or involve capturing a strategic bridge? No, it's one of many key moments contributing towards the allies' ultimate victory.

I'd argue that a good test is to ask what if it didn't happen? What would the character have become? What would the universe be like without that event?

There was a recent story in the papers over here about how at the start of the first world war, Britain sent over untrained volunteers at the very start to help shore up the defences in Belgium to give time for the main force to arrive. They were all killed or captured but ultimately stalled the German advance enough to create, in essence, the stalemate that would later claim so many lives. They arguably changed the course of the war and history, but remain unknown and unrecognised. History is full of such stories.

You also have to factor in proximity to the event. Take 9/11, that has to be the most important event in a lot of people's lives - yet the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan could be a mere footnote to those same people. Conversely, you have people there at the start of a conflict like Iraq who couldn't care less about the end of that conflict.

Interesting that you bring up Pacific Rim, as I feel the story we got was the least interesting 'expression' of that universe. The wider world in general excites me, from a conceptual point of view, but the movie is a poor execution of world-building (lots of things don't really make sense, and it contradicts itself). The prologue scene is the best part of the movie, and I want to see that movie. Here I think it's a case between important vs interesting. For the main character, the most important moment in his life was probably in the first act. I do think that the first Jaeger is a far more interesting story to tell than the last Jaeger, though that could just be a case of not liking the story they told about the last Jaeger.

93

(18 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I'm struggling to remember anything. I've cried in movies, or at least I well up quite a bit, but I've got a mental block on naming anything specific.

94

(346 replies, posted in Off Topic)

This is great news. I've this feeling that this is going to be considered an historic milestone in years to come. The kind of 'first' that's on the timeline of humanity's journey to the stars.

I think this is particularly significant because landing on a comet, aside from actually being pretty darn difficult, represents a key stage in their mineral exploitation (which we will have to do at some stage in our development).

95

(50 replies, posted in Episodes)

Thank you! What a great find.

96

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Thanks for that Shippey talk avatar, some interesting stuff there.

He makes a good argument that the very nature of film funding requires compromises in order to get maximum return on investment, quite aside from considerations of length and number of characters.

97

(248 replies, posted in Off Topic)

It's very hard to come away from listening to the LOTR commentaries without developing a man-crush on Dorkman. He's at it literally for almost half a day and brings up a great amount of background information and details about both movies and books. I'd recommend those to a listen through.

98

(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

That is a lot of anime! I've not heard of a lot of these, but then I am woefully behind the times. Thanks for the link to Shana as well, that looks like a really useful resource and a good way to see what's new.

For my part, here are a few that I've particularly enjoyed. Check out youtube for examples of the style.

Movies:
Patlabor
Ghost in the Shell
Spriggan
Vampire Hunter D (either one)
Streetfighter 2

Series:
Space Brothers
Planetes
Macross Plus
Mobile Suit Gundam 08th MS Team
Berserk

And Space Brothers again. If you're at all interested in hard sci-fi, this is worth a watch.

99

(2,068 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Akira is a bit underwhelming, I agree. It's not a particularly great story (the manga is much better...) but it helps to understand the context. Akira was the first anime to really break into the west. It's gorgeous looking with smoothly animated action that was arguably far ahead of what people usually associate with cartoons, was shockingly violent and bloody (there's a shot where a man is riddled with bullets in the visceral way we wouldn't see until Total Recall), it was also mind-bending yet distinctly Japanese. It really did a lot to introduce the west to anime, which up to that point had been seen in outsourced saturday morning cartoons.

I've only watched this one subtitled so maybe give that one a go? Depends on how well the English voice actors do with the TETSUOOO!! screaming in the third act I suppose.

Maybe we can get a thread going for anime recommendations as it's quite a medium to explore. Anime is intricately connected to Japanese sensibilities though, which is why you'll often get people who simply don't like it. It's not so much the animated part that puts them off but the way that things are done.

100

(87 replies, posted in Off Topic)

What a goldmine, thanks Saniss.

One of my 'if I won the lottery' ideas is to get these original models and film new scenes. With the motion control technology of today, plus some CGI enhancements for things like lights and engines, you could make some spectacular Empire-quality space battles much more easily than back in the day (at least in theory!).

I hope the sequel trilogy has all the ships.