@Alex ....holy shit.  At first i was dismissing what you were saying as the standard post-modern hate of corporate driven consumerism, but this was actually some seemingly well-informed serious shit.  Where did you learn this stuff about the modern film-scoring process?  It makes total sense and I definitely buy it.   


Regarding other composers not being as good:

I've always thought of it like this:  Williams is the best in terms of technical virtuosity and out-and-out composition skill.  However, 1990's Horner is probably the best at conveying a deep and simple emotional texture ...and Silvestri is a close second to Horner in terms of emotionalism  (see Forrest Gump). 

But if we're talking about any other composer then yes yes YES 100% yes.  Zimmer is probably the prime example. Everyone talks about him these days and is obsessed over him, but I think his music used to be better (i.e. Gladiator).  His style is very monochromatic and relies largely on blaring fortissimo  to convey "intensity" combined with very simple rhythms and heavy heavy amounts of repetition.  In other words he's not even in the same league as Williams. I definitely agree that Giaccino can be good but doesn't have near the level of skill. 

One composer to watch out for is Junkie XL.  I was really surprised by the sweeping romanticism of his Fury Road score.  I mean, I wouldn't say it had anywhere near the level of rhythmic or textual complexity of Williams, but it felt like very old school film, like 1960's film, and because of that, endearing. 

Side Note:  I haven't seen many of the movies that Williams scored in the past 5 years.  Were any of them truly stand-out scores?

IDK, Giacchino had to take the reigns of the Jurassic franchise this year and, well, I thought his score for that movie was not in keeping with the Williamsian tradition that preceded it.  It felt much too generic.  In light of this, I'm not sure he would be the right guy for the job.  Thomas Newman, however, Williams seems to have great faith in because he suggested to Spielberg that Newman score Bridge of Spies while he was sick. 

That does touch on another point though.  Why has Williams grown less melodic in his composing?  I think it started happening somewhere around 2000 (I first noticed it in Minority Report).  I've hypothesized that maybe he listened to the chorus of critics over the years who accused him of lacking subtlety and being too unoriginal.  Or maybe it's just his belief that that kind of music writing is how a "young" composer writes?  It would be interesting to get some insight from the man himself.

Yeah, it's pretty good.  My favorite is the opening Jakku attack scene.  All in all, I felt like the Williams score was conservative and spartan...perhaps on purpose? I don't know, but there was definitely hits of the whimsical nature of the Harry Potter music in this movie.  Which, yeah that's fine by me.  I do agree, however, that there is nothing strikingly romantic in the score of this movie.  It does all the right things, and definitely is subtle (good thing for sure) but, yeah, nothing you can really hum to afterwords.

I like all the Oscar love this movie is getting but scratching my head at the snub of Charlize Theron's Imperator Furiosa!?

Did anyone else think that Maz Katana was a huge problem for the film?  I was 100% on board with the film for the 1st hour.  It really felt like Star Wars, and then cam Maz.  She really pulled me out of it because it felt like her scenes first of all ruined the pacing of the movie (they were wayyy too slow, and lacked any kind of the adventurousness of the 1st hour), secondly she seemed to exist only for expositional purposes, and thirdly, the voice acting for her was horrible.  For these reasons I felt like she was worse than some of the prequel characters (some, not all).

drewjmore wrote:

Dudes. I have seen it.

Ryan and Brandon share the screen again.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29628015/20151217_220256.jpg

Sooooo, I'm wondering if they worked on lightsabers.......

hmmm.  I think our disagreement has more to do with expectations than anything else.  And, again, I think this plays into the idea that each person's brain synthesizes information differently. 

Most of my highest rated books are the heart-on-its-sleeve, cheesy, immutable archetype, hero fantasy stories. I love that stuff.  I really don't care if a character has an arc or not, because if it's fun, has a lot of heart, and makes me feel the joy of victory at the end I'm all for it baby.   

But see, that's just my sociological predisposition. Yours is obviously quite different, in that lack of character arc is a big issue for you.  For me, my love for books like that stems from my old-school upbringing, and my uber love for unabashed geekery, which RP1 has in spades!  The whole text of the book bleeds the sort of authentic and over-enthusiastic love for all things 80's, and even though I argued it's a Maguffin, I think it only enhances the text because it's obvious to me that Cline is doing it because he actually loves it and not because he's fanwanking. 

To address your point about the "having influences" vs. actually using the things themselves, I'm not sure what to say.  To me it was like "okay, Cline established the rules that the contest is based around all things 80's.  It therefore makes total sense and is actually really cool that the characters get to physically use, interact with and embody all these 80's icons."  Again, I think it comes down to vernacular, but a totally different kind whereby the 80's ephemera themselves are used as individual words and sentences that make up a unique whole.  Yeah, someone without that cultural knowledge wouldn't be able to imagine the things he's talking about, but neither would I be able to understand a novel written in Russian.  By it's very design it is a sectarian book not meant for everyone.           

Lastly, back to the character arc idea, what's so fantastic about it for me, is that instead of the events changing the character, the character changes events.  His actions help ratchet up the dramatic tension page by page throughout the book until finally, with everything held so taught so as to be almost unbearable, he unleashes this titanic narrative climax that serves as a shouting testament to his nature as the penultimate hero.  So, basically I'm arguing that by contrasting his unchanging solidarity with the overwhelming state of change in the plot, it only serves to underscore how awesome he is.   Which, to me, is rousing and incomparably uplifting.

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FURY ROAD FURY ROAD!  (oh and maybe a little bit of Rogue Nation in there too!)  Worst movie for me was Jurassic World.  I'm okay with gratuitous special effects!  Nothin wrong with that.  What irks me is slavishly pandering and formulaic screenplays.  gah!

Darth Praxus wrote:

And, like a copy of a copy of a copy, the life drains further and further away with each successive installment.

It seems idiotic. Why would anyone want to spend ten dollars to see reference after cheap reference to a great work of art when they could simply just go back to the great work of art itself?

If you go back and read some of the period reviews of Star Wars, this is very similar to what some critics said.  That it was just mixing and matching all the sci-fi tropes we'd seen up to that point,  that it was basically The Hidden Fortress dressed up differently, that it was just rehashing Flash Gordon etc. 

But for those of us that love Star Wars, we know that the sum of the parts is not the whole.  The fact that a work of art is assembled using a set of known vernaculars does not mean that the work itself will reflect the basest or most familiar tendencies of those vernaculars. 

But that's kind of a portrait of the subjective nature of artistic and creative work right? Maybe each of our reactions to a piece of media have more to do with how our brains synthesize information than whether or not that piece of media is actually "good."  It might all be more based on inherent personality and upbringing than objective analysis.   

Basically, what I mean to say is, I LOVED READY PLAYER ONE, whereas you didn't at all. As such, the rest of this post will likely upset you, although certainly that's not my intent.  So...read on if you dare (dun dun dunnnn!)

Like I really loved this book.  Like me-back-to-being-8-year-old-fanboy loved.  If I took the probably 300 or more books I've read in the past 5 years, and normalized my rating of them such that Ready Player One was rated 10/10 (which it definitely isn't in an absolute scale), the closest book by my rating would be somewhere around 7.5. 

I get what you're saying, though.  You're just tired of every fucking thing being a reboot, rehash, callback, based-on, entity that's created by simply plugging in numbers into "the Formula" and churning it through the mega-Hollywood-corporation assembly line so fanboys can wank with their 20 bucks paid at the box office (and concession stand).  I get it.  I feel exactly the same amount of roll-my-eyes nausea at the state of things.   

But RP1 is not that.  I don't believe it's that at all.  In fact, I believe RP1 to be the Star Wars (ep IV) of modern fiction in almost every way.  It takes a series of things we're all familiar with:  Virtual reality, treasure hunts, Joseph Campbell hero shit, yes 1980's nostalgia, grim post-apocalyptic dystopia brought on by climate change and nuclear bombs: and weds them all together into something wholly new, magical, and fascinating.   

Thing is, I have no reason to have much nostalgia for the 80's.  I'm too young for the era to have had much meaning for me, and I actually don't even like most 80's music or B-movies (with the exception of AC/DC, and...like, some of the early hip-hop).  However, when it was presented in the book, I totally bought it, and here's why: The nature of a contest treasure hunt plot is that the main characters would be obsessed by some wide but limited body of content by which they can gain clues.  It happened to be the 80's in this story, but it could have been anything and it wouldn't have mattered.  The 80's trivia was merely plot fodder, almost like a textural maguffin, if you will.

So if you were to view it that way, and say, mentally redact all the 80's stuff, I really think you would find it to be a unique and charming feel-good hero fantasy.   

Also, to address your criticism that the writing sucks:  i think there's a difference between good writing and good story telling.  For example, to me, the writing in LOTR is inconsistent in it's quality and I would give Tolkien an overall passing grade on writing, but it's nothing I would deem exemplary (with the exception of quite a few truly beautiful passages spread throughout the book...the death of Theodin for example).  But overall it's my favorite work of fiction bar none, no competitors in the running. This is because Tolkien is the utter master of story telling.  His use of multi-layered themes, and deep meaningful lore etc. etc. are just sublime, and his huge extended conclusion to the story is unquestionably profound.   

So what I'm saying is, the specific wording and prose used in a book are more like dressing on the cake that is the story.  So if you didn't like the way RP1 was written, I'm arguing that there's still a significant and noteworthy story in there even if his writing was either infantile, or amateur (which I don't think it was, but I think I've said enough already lol).

Saw it last night.

Impressions:

Poe Dameron is the man! (he's like the new Wedge, but better)
BB-8 is my new favorite robot!
Who was Max Von Syndow's character supposed to be? I want to know more about him. 
Kylo Ren is a little bitch. 


Okay so those are my impressions, here's a bit about what I thought analytically:
So here's the thing....despite somehow losing the ability to write good scripts or stories anymore, George Lucas showed us in the prequels that he can still churn out some great cinematography and editing (well, for a lot of it).  J. J., for all his merits, doesn't really hold a candle to George in these most technical terms.  So, by this metric, the movie didn't really feel synergistic with the rest of the series.   

Narratively, the first third of the movie had me giddy like a kid again.  It FELT LIKE STAR WARS.  HOLY CRAP.  I was 100% with it like really on board for that whole section.  Really daring, intense, kinetic, frenetic, and fun as hell!  I was really with it up until the point where Rey was like "I guess we'll have to take that old thing"  Boom Millennium Falcon.  The reason for this was that they just "happened" to end up in the millenium falcon.  I think that was a very poor narrative decision to make it coincidental that they found it.  And they when they just "happened" to get found by Chewie and Han, I was like "really?" Two dumb fanwankey coincidences within ten minutes.  wow.  Really, it would have made far more sense to have han and chewie still involved in the resistance, and they end up teaming up with our main characters back at resistance base 1 or whatever it's called. Everything about Finn and Rey, though, I was 100% with.  They were compelling and intense and believable.       

Basically, this film left me with some massive amounts of cognitive dissonance.  Like, there was some really, really great, and fantastic thematic and narrative stuff going on in there, but there was also a lot of unnecessarily dumb fanwankey nonsense.  This surprised me, seeing as J. J. is such a fan of Star Wars, and I would have thought he would be too concerned about getting the spirit of Star Wars right, to insert copious amounts of callouts to the previous films. 

So, did I like it?  Hell yes!  Way too much good in there compared with the bad.  Was I disappointed that the film felt a little disjointed and almost...like TV-showey in the middle.  Definitely.    So overall, there's some great and unique stuff in there, and it's certainly worth a rematch, but it still doesn't live up to the OT.

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Trey wrote:

Will Ep 7 top Avatar in overall dollar amount?  Yeah, probably.  Avatar topped out at 760 million domestic, and hell, Jurassic World's made it to 660 million and still counting (though just barely).   So yeah - Ep 7, with 6 more years of ticket price inflation to pump it up, can probably get to 760 million.........

Now, IF Episode Seven is so damn good that it spills over out of the built-in fandom and becomes a bona fide phenomenon like Avatar or Titanic or New Hope, then it might crack the all time adjusted Top Ten.  Mayyybe.  But it's pretty much impossible to do that nowadays - the all time top ten hasn't changed since 1997 when Titanic joined the list.

But - will there be Variety ads proclaiming Episode 7 beat Avatar in some way or another?  Almost certainly.  Although studios love to buy ads that say that, it's important to remember that sort of honor is only slightly more notable than those "World's Greatest Grampa" statues.  The recipient likes showing them to everybody, but they don't really mean anything.

There are some additional factors to consider here, though.  For one, the generational game is strong with this one.  This film will have something like 3 generations of fans who experienced star wars in some significant way throughout their lives.  That's just about every generation that's alive right now.  Secondly, unlike the prequels, this will be the first Star Wars since return of the Jedi with the original stars in them!.  That's a major boost factor right there.  Seriously, Han Solo on screen, back in his beloved millennium falcon!?  I would bet that even the most casual fans would see it just for that.  Thirdly, its a December release.  Now, i guess traditionally, the largest blockbusters come around during the summer, but I think what Avatar showed is the potential for a third week of December release to out-perform summer movies.  I believe the reason for this is the potential for no drop-off on the second weekend.

Put all these factors together, plus the insane presale numbers, and I think you have something looking like at least a legitimate contender for outselling Avatar in terms of number of tickets.

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fireproof78 wrote:
avatar wrote:
Darth Praxus wrote:

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Doesn't reach the dizzy heights of Ghost Protocol, but a solidly entertaining entry. Some truly death-defying stuff from Cruise yet again (the diving sequence from the trailer is incredibly impressive, and the huge car chase set-piece is deftly handled as well), and the cast are all likable and engaging (this is the first movie I've actually liked Jeremy Renner in). There's a great sense of humor throughout, which is much appreciated. The only major complaints I have are both technical—first, while this isn't color-graded within an inch of its life like most similar movies these days, the orange sheen to everyone's skin is rather offputting. Second, the strobe cutting early on is extremely irritating; one early sequence in particular was bloody impossible to decipher due to the number of cuts per second. This got better as the movie went on, but I was bothered enough by its early appearances to be taken out of the experience.

Before Mission Impossible 5: Rogue Nation, there was a trailer to The Man from Uncle, and posters outside to Spectre, and earlier this year was Kingsman. Starting to get spy-thriller fatigue. They're turning into Marvel-esque overload. Plot's always the same: spies have to chase some MacGuffin through exotic locales with some babe in an opera gown, using gadgets & quips, etc, all while not getting their styled hair messed up. Villain is some generic PC (can't offend anyone!) group that finds humanity degenerate and so we must start again by destroying everything.

Write down all forms of transportation on pieces of paper and throw them in a hat. Now pull out one piece - that's the chaser. Second piece: the chasee. Third piece: The chaser or chasee changes their vehicle mid-way through chase. Now which country is giving you the best tax credits this year? That's where we'll set it.
And what crazy stunt haven't we seen yet? Let's write a scene based on that. Repeat for five actions sequences (they cost $20M each and we got over $100M budget based on the A-list star) and get the algorithm to shuffle the scenes until we get something vaguely coherent. Or not, doesn't matter. It's a thrill ride.

Is there a "Mad Libs" for Screenwriters?

Google Serach...

Wow, Internet.

Can't this argument be made for well....just about any creative endeavor?  Any medium in which there is a practiced art will have a vernacular with a certain set of standard building blocks such that over-exposure to the medium would inevitably result in contempt and lack of interest.   
   If we're talking about rock and roll, you could say "well I'm tired of all these songs which feature drums,bass, electric guitar, and some really high pitched vocal" 
  If we're talking about hot rod cars you would say "I'm tired of these cars that all look the same, have a giant engine block sticking out the top with big fenders and some shiny paint job"   
If we're talking about any creative writing endeavor you could say "I'm tired of all these authors using the same action verbs, having a plot where it predictably climaxes at the end, and featuring pointless internal character monologues" 

The list can keep going, and these aren't really perfectly analogous examples, but I hope the point comes across pretty clear.  My argument is that its not the topical content of a movie that matters so much as HOW that content is presented.  You show me some film that done in a style of film noir, and has all the standard tropes right down to the tee, and I'll still rate it well if its executed well.  Rouge Nation may have the same content as many of the spy thrillers these days, but the execution was far superior to most.  The pacing, and music, and the order in which secrets and plot points were revealed were all fantastic.  Yes, there were chase scenes, but the execution of them was thrilling!   

Still, I do agree about the over-use of a small set of standard tropes that have developed these days.  Probably Transformers would be the poster child of this /the perpetrator.   big_smile

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EDIT:  I was wrong....Ben Stiller did NOT have a Cameo in Apollo 13,....apparently I was thinking of Empire of the Sun.  sad sad sad 

This is my false list in italics cuz it doesn't count anymore .... i'll fix it later :'(

Mads Mikkelson:

Casino Royale  - Daniel Craig
Tomb Raider - Angelina Joli
Mr and Mrs Smith - Brad Pitt
Spy Game - Robert Redford
(whatever that Woodward and Bernstien movie was)  - Dustin Hoffman
Meet The Fockers - Ben Stiller
Apollo 13 - Tom Hanks

Boy did this one take me a while!  Okay next one:  Clint Eastwood.

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Hastings Twenty Favorite Films 
1.  The Matrix
2.  The Empire Strikes Back
3.  Ben-Hur
4.  Raiders of the Lost Ark
5. The Godfather (trilogy...if it counts?)
6. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
7. Jurassic Park
8. Mad Max: Fury Road
9. Alien(s...again if we can count sequels)
10. Back to The Future
11. Speed Racer
12. The Sandlot
13. Minority Report
14. The Fugitive
15. Stardust
16. Vitus
17. District 9
18. Inception
19. The Last Samurai
20. A Good Year

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....interesting.  Here in New England, we just had the coldest June I can ever remember.

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This was before I knew who Bale or McConnahey were, but obviously McConnahey takes the cake for this one.  It's probably his least celebrated but most surprising role of his career.  This role really should have let us all know that the Mcconaissance was coming.

Trey wrote:

There are a lot of little references to the originals - certain costumes, the music box, etc, but there's no need to figure out how Fury Road fits into the original timeline, because it doesn't.

Went back and watched Mad Max 2 and then watched Fury Road again and saw the music box!  What I liked was that it was such a quick kind of offhand shot and didn't draw attention to itself with big neon lights that said "HEY FANS THIS IS A REFERENCE ISN'T THIS COOL!"

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This idea me like.

Writhyn wrote:
Invid wrote:

You're looking at it backwards.

No the youtube shot is the other way. He's looking left in the original.

Do I sense sarcasm Invid?

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This had me completely losing my mind laughing my ass off!  Why is it that the 80's generation (mine) are so obsessed with their childhood?

You guys, I was just watching the 10 years of Youtube celebration video that they did, and Dorkman appears at 2:12 from RVD1!   Just thought I'd share.  Pretty cool for a video that was made for a community of like what, 100 people?   Awesome. 

10 Years of YouTube

I do have maybe like one or two gripes about the film:   I felt that even though it was called Mad Max, there was too little Max.  I guess the argument can be made that having an ensemble works better for the film, but idk, I just wanted to see Max have more of a character arc. 

Also,

SPOILER Show
Nux's flip didn't really make a lot of sense to me:  So wait, he feels he was denied entrance to Valhalla 3 times, which leaves him feeling dejected.  So some girl has sex with him therefore he decides to completely go against everything he believe since he was young??  The kind of cultish zeal he had would only lead him to desire to grovel back to Immortan Joe and see it he can't prove to him he's worthy of Valhalla. 

Saniss wrote:

The only shot that didn't scream "PERFECTION" was the guitar one, which was too obviously CG. Otherwise, it was two hours of insane action, pacing, acting, and my God, what eye-candy. Not many movies can pull off that much saturation. This one is off the chart, and it looks incredible.

Not just eye candy but the CINEMATOGRAPHY.  Holy hell!, I was literally sitting mouth agape in the theater chills running up my back from some of the incredible shots they had.  It was such a thowback to old school cinema in that the director took the time to make ART out of the images shown, and give the eye time to appreciate the beauty of what was being portrayed. 

(also....I want that arm that Charlize had in the movie....so sic)

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Week 6 :: 1 :: Hastings :: Vitus

Saw this film in '07 when it came out an was surprised because this film was far better and more interesting than what its premise would imply.  It's a great bit of exemplary screenwriting and one of my favorites.

This  is why.