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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Oh wow! That's awesome!

Darth Vader is even better in French.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

*Shrug* I don't really understand resolution numbers, but this is more the direction of what it would look like. I would just keep adding water and cloud layers to smooth it out, I guess. Still kinda pixel-y, though.

http://s20.postimg.org/nn33f7tfh/Dantah4.png
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Edit: And some variations on the theme.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

No, I was going to buy it but it's more expensive that I had thought. : / Probably not worth doing without that.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Okay, so PLEASE excuse the crudity of this model (seriously, I spent about 30 mins on this total). Just wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to do a pan down to a planet. If this looks promising I can start refining the planet and getting a proper night sky and such.

And if anybody else would rather do this, go for it, I'm super out of practice at Terragen.

Anyway ...

Edit: Blarg, it got kinda washed out in the process somewhere, but I think that's fixable. The original picture of the planet was much clearer.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Aw man that looks awesome! I'm super excited to see this.

And, ugh, I knew I should have kept the tunic length a bit longer. Tricky fitting something for a person you've never met. For the record, I kept the hem super long so you can always let it out and gain another 3 inches of length at the bottom for future uses.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Yay! Glad they got there! I hope oh I hope it fits okay.

Dooo it, Teague, dooo it. (Ya want B roll of sewing/costuming?)

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(449 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Branson from Downton Abbey, Benedict Cumberbach and Keira Knightly in 40's garb. And music by Desplat. COMPUTERS. I AM SO IN.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/give_it_to_me_stephen_colbert.gif

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(262 replies, posted in Episodes)

You could do a Christmas in July thing. Home Alone, It's a Wonderful Life, The Santa Clause.

And you've never done The Iron Giant, right? Why is this?

I'll second the request for Jumanji, as well. It really would be a good fit for you guys. And I recently got it from a thrift store so I can actually follow along for once.

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In case you've not seen it, this is worth a look. Fireworks from the inside.

I'd really like to see a "big 'splosions" movie do this exact thing in some kind of battle scene. *coughSTARWARScough*

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(30 replies, posted in Episodes)

DEAN DEVLIN retweeted my Independence Day chart! Ahhhh!

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(30 replies, posted in Episodes)

Happy 4th, ya'll.

Here's the setups and payoffs of ID4.

I squint my eyes at Avengers and Batman passing both tests, but, admittedly, I don't remember them very well.

And two of the movies that pass both tests aren't even from this century. 

I agree that The Grey should get a pass. It's sort of the the dude version of Gravity.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Or a graphic novel. That would be sweeeet.

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Draft 3! You used some of my suggestions!

http://neoavatara.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kermit-waving-arms.gif

This is really interesting. I really like it. It's kind of like what we were talking about on the Brave thread for why Mulan works so well. She's sort of in a Gravity situation in that she's about the only lady around, but that's the whole point of the narrative, so you can't just change it and tell the same story. Yeah, I'm glad this idea has a name finally.

Also, it helps me phrase in my own mind why certain movies like (brace yourselves) The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Braveheart, and even parts of LOTR don't work for me. The girl is just "the girl" and if she can't have the guy or if the guy can't have her then she ceases to be important and often dies. Many times she goes away so that the guy can achieve his full potential in his chosen career, which isn't such a terrible story once, but if it happens over and over again it becomes tedious. This "the girl" thing creates an emotional barrier for me from the movie to where I just can't relate to it.

Interestingly, one of the most dude-centric, artsy, important movies of the last five years that happens to be about a male-dominated industry (and was created by one, too) passes this test just fine: The Social Network.

It does make me wonder, though, if there's a similar type of test for Chick Flicks. I feel like movies where the guy is more than a prize and has an arc tend to be stronger. Like Sleepless in Seattle, Breakfast at Tiffany's and When Harry Met Sally. Those seem to stand the test of time better. ... And that was me advocating for more "strong male characters" of all things. Or maybe the general definition of a "Chick Flick" is just a movie featuring women that lacks a male arc. I dunno.

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Zarban wrote:

I've elaborated on the fight a little and made it seem more of a trap.

Goooottt it. So, just to be clear, Jedi-girl is setting a trap for Sith-boy? I didn't catch that the first time. There's probably room to push that point even further if you want.

...or is it Darth Voyne/Niken setting a trap for Butterfly with the probe droid?

The fleshed-out fight scene is super fun! I can't wait to see it!

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(538 replies, posted in Creations)

Aw, man, I wanna play.

Zarban wrote:

Their mothers want to buy them proper costumes, so that will take a little time. But I imagine shooting to begin in a couple of weeks and take a couple of weekends.

I don't know if there's time or the desire, but I have some experience making custom jedi robes (for 12yo girls even.) And I assume Sith robes are just Jedi robes but black, which sounds do-able. So, if you want something non-factory made, I'd be happy to make something.

Here's some I made ages ago for when E3 came out. Time-frame wise, I'm fairly quick; made 4 costumes in about 10 days and that was when I was new to sewing.

http://s20.postimg.org/y72gk74cd/jedi_robes.png

And if costumes aren't needed, I might need to finally learn how to roto lightsabers.

But seriously, if hair/costume research even is something you want to farm out, let me know.

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(60 replies, posted in Episodes)

everythingshiny wrote:

For me, when I read it and I started thinking about how to "Fix" it, a la FIYH, I wanted her to actually show some kind of manifestation of her divergence in the way she behaved. Because the story says "she's not just fearless, she's also smart, and optimistic, and caring" (or whatever the personality traits are supposed to be, I forget specifics) but we don't really SEE her being those things.

Wow, really excellent point! I think you're right that that would have helped the story. We see a bit of her being especially smart when she's the only one who thinks of climbing the ferris wheel to look for the flag in the game (I think that also impressed Four), but other than that her predominant trait does seem to be bravery. We hear her caring about her friends and see her displeasure at making enemies and particularly for [spoiler: killing Will] at the end, but those are not quite the same thing as bold expressions of kindness.

I do love the way she portrayed at having difficulty letting go of Abnegation's culture though. She feels uncomfortable changing in front of others and wearing tight clothes at first and she can't quite believe that she's physically transformed so much in such a short time, with tattoos and a different hairstyle and all. I thought that was a fun touch. It made her feel more fleshed out to me.

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(60 replies, posted in Episodes)

You're welcome! I'm so glad you guys liked those links! \o/

everythingshiny wrote:

Twilight is a Mary Sue, as explained in the article that Bathilda linked. Divergent is also a Mary Sue, in my opinion, though a slightly more interesting one (slightly, because it involves a dystopian world and a series of action sequences, which are very contrived and silly, but are action sequences nonetheless.

While I do really like the article I linked to, I kind of subscribe more to Holly Black's theory that a female protagonists by nature almost can't be a Mary Sue because, as she describes, a Mary Sue in the original sense of the term is a character who usurps the MC and magically solves the big problems while appearing to be beautiful and awesome and loved by everyone in a way that warps the MC's story and probably becomes the love interest of the main guy/gal. If the "Mary Sue" IS the main character than she can't warp her own story and any love interest present will just be there because the story revolves around her anyway.

The only character I can think of in the Hunger Games/Twilight/Divergent type books (recent popular YA Lit. written by a woman) who might be a Mary Sue is Ginny Weasley because, in the later books, she comes across as a little too cool, well-liked, good at sports, super funny and she gets the main guy. After book four, I always felt like JKR liked Ginny and expected me to like her more than I actually did. But as much as I think she was a wasted opportunity she's probably not really even a Mary Sue, because she does work for a lot of people and, logically, her story makes sense with how she develops into being a match for Harry and she's good at quidditch 'cause she practiced for years with her brothers, etc. I still feel like it's reasonable that I'd be disappointed in the way she handled Ginny, but maybe "Mary Sue" is just not a label that's helpful in this instance. I dunno.

Anyway, I'm a bit afraid to ask, but why do you think Tris is a Mary Sue?

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Downton Abbey, btw, is generally considered to have two Gary Stu's, Lord Grantham and Mr. Bates.

And this is an amazing post about how Batman is also a Mary Sue.

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fireproof78 wrote:

I wanted to give a quick amendment to my suggestion for more feminist/female centric authors. Ursula K. Le Guin is one that I highly recommend, as she enjoys scifi and fantasy as a vehicle to explore different aspects of society.

This is an interesting recommendation. I agree her books are to be read (though, I haven't yet), but one of the main criticisms against her earlier stories is that there's a major lack of female characters, much less female protagonists. I bring this up not to bash her, but because it makes me wonder, is it easier to be taken seriously as a female author if you write about men? Do you automatically bypass a lot of criticism that way? For example, was that helpful to J.K. Rowling? Should we be harder on women who write about women than women who write about men? I assume not, but it kind of feels like that's what happens anyway.

Also, I'll toss Patricia C. Wrede's Enchanted Forest books onto the list of recommended reading. smile

fireproof78 wrote:

If I lived in the world of "Hunger Games" I might opt to be unconscious to avoid it wink

lolz

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(60 replies, posted in Episodes)

Hah, presumably I'm one of the anyones you're going out of your way to not criticize and I sincerely appreciate that. It motivated me to respond to your question with my immediate reaction.

The thing is, once a peaceful dialogue does begin, men tend to be be afraid that they'll lose their voices, whereas women tend to be shocked, overjoyed and encouraged by the fact that they'll get to use theirs. It kind of makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time. I don't think it's anyone's intention (here, anyway) for you to lose your voice or live in fear that you will. But also understand that the women coming to this conversation are risking much more than potentially being labeled sexist/racist/etc. I'd encourage you to remember that women are almost never free from fear in a conversation like this. If everyone being free from fear were a prerequisite for a dialogue, we would probably never have one.

Like I said, it seems clear from this discussion so far that the people here are eager to listen, even where feelings are strong and people passionately disagree. I can't speak to all the discussions you might get to participate in; you might just have to take it on a case by case basis, but yeah, in general, of course you should have a voice. And so should women (and other anti-privileged groups.) If you don't feel like you have been allowed a voice in a particular instance, try to remember that women often don't get a voice either and sometimes you just have to wait for the next opportunity for a dialogue to present itself.

ETA: your comment about Mary-Sue's reminded me of a post, but I don't remember enough to re-find it.  Here's a post on the topic of Mary Sue and Twilight (and other stuff) that you might find interesting, though. Apparently, it was quite successful.

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johnpavlich wrote:

I'll go into what I think is wrong with that reading of Doug's video later.

Don't bother if you don't want to. I realized that video was triggering enough for me that I need to bow out of this conversation. Thanks, ya'll, though. It's been ... uh, quite a thing, hasn't it.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

It's the Nostalgia Critic, what did you expect?

I guess just that stuff like that not be shared or admired. Actually, I was not familiar with him before this, so I had no idea what I was walking into. Meh, now I know better, I suppose.

everythingshiny wrote:

I listened to the podcast you linked in the other forum, from the guy who wrote "Spotlight". I was hoping, as an author of YA fiction myself, to get some insight from the interview about what it is that he felt made the story work. I think I just wasted half an hour of my life listening to someone wail on about how everyone is wrong to disrespect it because Stephenie Meyer is really good, even though her prose is lacking but her allegory is interesting. I disagree.

Ah, well, I'm glad that's what stuck out to you as that was exactly my point. For me symbolism outweighs prose. We are free to agree to disagree at this point, I guess.

everythingshiny wrote:

... call it Edward and they will swoon, no matter what it looks like.

I see what you mean and that's probably true for a lot of epic romances, but girls were pretty swoony over him when Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire came out, so in this case I think there's more to the fangirling than just the Edward name.

everythingshiny wrote:

And if we're sharing YouTube videos about Twilight, I like the "Alex Reads Twilight" ones. They're hysterical.

Just be aware he was recently implicated in a sex scandal and his videos about Twilight are now looked down on by a lot of former fans. So view/share with caution.

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everythingshiny wrote:

In "Tangled", the I Want number is about how she wants to get out of her tower.

I believe it's actually an "I am" song in which nothing is supposed to change. You just establish the character and where they're at in life and stuff like that. I prefer "I want" songs because, kind of like you said, they point to where you're going instead of where the character has been, but *shrug* maybe they wanted to try something different. I did think it was a pretty fun number to watch with a catchy tune, though.

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(73 replies, posted in Episodes)

*headdesk*

The first three minutes of that video are a guy arguing that Bella is dumb because she wants to marry Edward no matter what. In the last minute of the video he admits he did not know the plot of story and had to be corrected by viewers who informed him that it was actually Edward who really wanted to marry Bella. He then says that this is dumb because guys aren't obsessed with commitment like Edward and that makes the story un-relatable. I find this odd. Twilight is a fantasy aimed at women. For lots of women, a handsome, devoted man who really, really wants get married is a very appealing fantasy. Twilight is also extremely popular. If the biggest complaint you have is that it's not going to be relatable to women ... I dunno, it just seems like that argument would be automatically defeated by the success of the series. If it's popular it's probably relatable.

If you hate the character no matter which way the story goes, maybe the story isn't the reason why you hate her. Also, if you make a hobby of screaming that one of the most popular female characters ever created a dumbass and a bitch several times in four minutes, maybe you just have a problem hating women.

Disliking Twilight does not automatically equal respecting women. Disagree with the merits of Twilight if you want, but please respect women in the process.

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(60 replies, posted in Episodes)

My point about Twilight is not so much that the content is feminist or anti-feminist, just that the Twilight fan-base is overwhelmingly female, extremely passionate AND treated with extreme derision. Society seems to have gone to a lot of trouble discrediting those books and movies as worthwhile art. I feel like that is partly BECAUSE it is liked so strongly and exclusively by women. I don't have any proof on this, obviously, just instinct and years of observation as well as my own personal experiences. I feel like what men enjoy is rarely put under a microscope and demonized the way that women's passions are. It feels very unfair! And in the case of Twilight, the criticism has felt almost violent which concerns me greatly. It's not cool, no matter how much people disagree with the content. You've still gotta love and respect the REAL women reading and watching the stuff, not just the fake ones depicted in the stories.

I also wish people (esp. men) put a lot more effort into seeing what attracts women to Twilight. It is clearly working for them on a level that few other works of art have. I don't have any special insight into this, having never actually read the books, but it's a text that has pervaded my social world, specifically my family, the last few years and I did see a couple of the movies because of that. They didn't grab me, but they took hold of enough women that I love to make me see that there's clearly SOMETHING there.

That said, I do have a few resources to get you started if you're interested in exploring some of the positives of Twilight or at least some of the negatives of the way Twilight fans are treated.

Spotlight is a book by John Granger (a well-respected Harry Potter/Young Adult Literature scholar) on the literary merits and strengths of the Twilight series. I haven't yet read Spotlight (hoping to this summer), but I've read enough of his Harry Potter stuff and heard him speak on Twilight enough that I'm willing to recommend it anyway.

Here's an EXCELLENT podcast episode where John Granger defends Twilight and talks about his book, Spotlight. -- Re-listening to it right now, really hits its stride around 22 minutes where John retells the basic elements of Twilight with the language of a classic fairy-tale, and grand/religious myth.

Excellent written interview with John Granger conducted by Lev Grossman, also on Spotlight.

This is my single favorite article on Twilight. Worth a read.

Related article, focusing on 50 Shades of Gray.

Here's a more general article about the unique features of the female fandoms (HP, Twilight, Hunger Games, Divergent, etc.) and how the internet changed the game completely.

Let me know if you want more! They're out there!

Edited to re what Isaac asked: I basically agree with what Mike said. Also, IRL, I have not experienced my opinion trumping male opinions on the topic of feminism in modern art. There, men seem pretty eager to ignore my opinions on all topics, in fact. I feel very lucky if my opinions on women in movies are taken seriously at all ... which is part of why I keep visiting this forum so much. It's nice to be thoughtfully listened to for a change. : )

P.P.S. I'm curious what Cotterpin thinks of all this.