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(96 replies, posted in Movie Stuff)

Not to be a killjoy or dampen anyone's enthusiasm or anything, but I thought that BDA's original idea (which I do agree with actually) was that it was in your first posting making a comment about the current film that you made your suggestion for what the next film should be. 

Like I say, I kinda agree with that just 'cause it means that you have to be participating in some minimal way in order to get your suggestion into the hat.  Sure, people could always just say "I thought the running time was appropriate" and then suggest something, but the idea is to enter into the spirit of the thing, which is to have a reason to 'force ourselves' to watch and think about films that we might not ordinarily see.  I'm sure everybody above is watching this week's film as we speak, but I just thought I'd make the clarification.

However, we can of course decide whatever we want.  Just my $0.02.

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(96 replies, posted in Movie Stuff)

Thanks for setting this up, BDA!  It's a terrific idea.  I'd been thinking about something similar, but don't have the time at the moment to really do the organization/cheerleading. 

Here's a suggestion for the proposals:  This maybe could get a little unwieldy, but what about when you suggest your movie, you write something (perhaps really briefly) about why you picked it?  Even if it's just "always been meaning to see it", maybe say a little something about *why* you want to see it, what attracts you to it, what your expectations are, etc.?  Especially if it's something a little non-mainstream, it'll give people some idea of where you're coming from on it.

If that's maybe too much to ask given that most people's suggestions won't get picked, maybe after the movie is officially selected, the proposer does the above in a separate post to signpost and kickoff the discussion?  Maybe a brief intro if it's a film they know well or just "Always been meaning to see it because I've heard XYZ and think ABC about it" if it's new to them?

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(7 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I know you said you didn't want a movie, but for my daughter's birthday a couple of years back we had Yellow Submarine playing in the background in the way that you're talking about.  Sounds like it could fit the bill, in terms of being visually interesting at any given moment yet still easy to dip in and out of.

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(32 replies, posted in Episodes)

Trey wrote:
sellew wrote:

You then have to explain Gaff's origami unicorn, but there are various ways to do that.

[....]

In the released version, the voiceover explicitly explains that the unicorn means Gaff had been there, but chose not to kill Rachel.  What the figure is didn't have any significance in 1982 - all the "what does the unicorn symbolize?" debate came from later releases.

Yeah, that's one way you could look at it for sure.  The thing is though that Gaff's first origami, the one of the chicken, really does seem plausibly like a comment directed at Deckard, seeing as it comes during the scene in which Deckard is expressing reluctance to come back and be a Blade Runner.  (The idea being that it's cowardice that's behind Deckard's initial refusal; i.e., he's chicken.) 

Now I realize that we're straying dangerously close to "Death of the Author" territory, but that does make it kind of interesting to see whether that thread can be maintained, once you give up what was apparently Ridley Scott's conception of the connection between Deckard and the final origami unicorn. 

The middle one is kind of a problem too though -- the matchstick man figure, which Gaff makes when they're searching Leon's apartment. 

http://www.bladerunnerunicorn.com/Match_Stick_Man_Diagrams_files/100_4164.jpg

I have to say, it wasn't until I encountered that cesspool of immorality that is the internet that I ever thought of the matchstick man as having an erection.  I always figured it was just a small counterweight or something so that the figure would stand up.  However, I have yet to see any explanation of it that really felt right. 

Trey wrote:

This ties in with Gaff's last line in the previous scene - "Too bad she won't live, but then again who does?"  So Gaff too has gained some empathy, enough to skip an opportunity to further his own career by bagging a runaway replicant, and instead letting Deckard escape with Rachel.  He isn't going to help them, but he doesn't stop them.

Indeed!  I somehow completely missed that, but you're absolutely right -- the line is what's crucial there.

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(32 replies, posted in Episodes)

OK. Fine.  I've waited a polite length of time, but it looks like it falls to me to be that guy -- the jerk who wants to talk about whether Deckard is a replicant.  The only thing I can point to in mitigation is that I take a rather extreme line on this issue, so the purpose of the discussion can be to explain to me why I'm wrong.

This came up in an old thread on The Final Cut that Darth started I think, but I'm of the view that the film is at least compromised thematically, and possibly outright incoherent, if Deckard is a replicant.  I feel this so strongly that, when I show the film for a class I teach, I show the original 1982 US theatrical version.  Yes, I'd rather have the happy ending than that goddamn unicorn. 

Part of it is that one of the central questions the film wants to raise is  "what it means to be human", and if none of Deckard, Rachel and Batty actually are human, then I think it's difficult for the film to be about that, aside from a sort of cliched "maybe humans are the real monsters" sort of thing.  (But I don't even think that works.  Sure you have Tyrell and Bryant, but you've also got Sebastian.) 

However, if Deckard is a human, then that theme just clicks right into place.  So, what does it mean to be human?  The films tells us:  it's empathy -- the ability to understand on a profound level that another object in the universe is fundamentally like you.  That's what the Voight-Kampff test tests.  (Tyrell:  Is this to be an empathy test?....Deckard:  We call it 'Voight-Kampff' for short.)

So then a lot of really important beats between these characters crucially involve empathic realization/understanding.  Deckard is (and can be) redeemed through his relationship with Rachel by realizing that she is fundamentally like him, and I also think that's what's going on in the, let's say 'dubious consent' scene.  We all just are the sum of our memories and experiences, whatever the source, and Rachel understands that she is no different from Deckard in that respect.  So she then stops resisting and embraces the relationship. 

Empathy also explains why Batty saves Deckard's life at the end.  He's seen Deckard struggle and scrap for every last moment of life, which is what he's been doing for the whole movie, and Batty articulates the connection between them: "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?  That's what it is to be a slave."  This then serves as a trigger for his understanding -- Deckard is fundamentally like him.

But if Batty, Rachel and Deckard are all replicants, then none of this matters or is relevant. The realization that they are fundamentally alike doesn't doesn't have the same (or possibly any) meaning if in actual fact they *are* alike.   

You then have to explain Gaff's origami unicorn, but there are various ways to do that (the real explanation of course being that Ridley Scott's a moron who should just go make perfume ads).  Anything involving fantasy or mythical/unreal creatures will work I think.

So, cue the tumbleweeds and empty whistling wind....

[Not really overly outraged, more valedictory, but....]

'Chapter One. He adored DIF.  He idolized it all out of proportion.' Uh, no, make that: 'He-he romanticized it all out of proportion. OK... To him, no matter what the season was, this was still a podcast that existed in mp3 and pulsated to the great tunes of Teague Chrystie.' Uh, now let me start this over...

'Chapter One: He was too romantic about DIF, as he was about everything else. He thrived on the hustle bustle of the forums and the traffic. To him, DIF meant beautiful avatars and street smart posters who seemed to know all the angles.' Ah, corny, too corny for, you know, my taste. Let me, let me try and make it more profound...

'Chapter One: He adored DIF. To him it was a metaphor for the decay of contemporary culture. The same lack of individual integrity that caused so many filmmakers to take the easy way out was rapidly turning the podcast of his dreams in..' No, it's gonna be too preachy, I mean, you know, let's face it, I wanna get some User Karma here.

'Chapter One: He adored DIF. Although to him it was a metaphor for the decay of contemporary culture. How hard it was to exist in a society desensitized by hackneyed VFX, over-compressed soundtracks, studio cynicism, poor story structure, needless sequels...' Too angry. I don't wanna be angry.

'Chapter One. He was as witty and informative as the podcast he loved. Behind his black-rimmed glasses was the coiled critical power of a jungle cat.' Oh, I love this! 'DIF was his podcast, and it always would be.'

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(152 replies, posted in Episodes)

Wow.  Knew it had to happen one day, and that that day was probably coming sooner rather than later, but it's still a bit of a shock.

Don't have anything to say really that hasn't been said already.  You guys have been responsible for a mind-boggling amount of insightful and interesting content, and I don't think I'll ever be able to watch a film that you did a commentary for without thinking of you.  Really wish I'd been able to hang out live on more than a handful of occasions, but hey, we'll always have malaria. 

Just a quick personal thank-you to Teague, Brian, Mike and Trey for the Thor commentary, and to Brian specifically for his fantastically clear summary of the concept of the 'through line' just before the 2-hour mark.  That's now the phrase I use with my students to explain what I want from their essays, and I quote Brian in my course guide.  And the day after Cinco de Mayo will always still be Cinco de Mayo in our household. 

Very glad to hear that the forums are continuing, and waiting with bated (and indeed baited) breath for whatever projects are coming next.

Thanks for everything guys!

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(23 replies, posted in Episodes)

Glad you guys did this one as I had been wanting to revisit it since forever.  Unlike Invid, I was not a smart fourth-grader in 1979, and I remember seeing both this and ST:TMP in the theater. All I remembered about The Black Hole though was (a) that the TV/teaser trailer with the voice-over and the green vector graphics scared the living bejeesus out of me as a kid for some reason. (In fact, I had a mild panic attack seeing the trailer again as an adult as a DVD extra on some 80's exploitation flick that Robert Forster was starring in.) and (b) that I cried when BOB died. 

Seeing it as an adult, holy mother of God what a mess.  But for everybody wondering where the story money went, just look at the credits: story by Jeb Rosebrook and Bob Barbash & Richard Landau, screenplay by Jeb Rosebrook and Gerry Day. I guess if they ever get that remake going it'll at least stop the world bitching about how they only ever remake good films and how much more useful it would be to remake bad ones. 

I do think the guys were being a little harsh on Mr internet tinfoil-hat douchebag though.  Now I haven't actually studied literature in almost 30 years, but two seconds of googling confirmed my intuition that there is a long and honorable tradition of Freudian psychoanalytic criticism with respect to Frankenstein-type monster stories.  So this guy is not coming out of left field or anything.  Of course one might claim that academic literary criticism is in actual fact empirically non-distinct from tinfoil-hat douchebaggery, but seeing as I work in a department that includes colleagues in English Literature, I'm sure I couldn't possibly comment.  It certainly pre-dates the internet though. 

And I'm not sure about falling into a black hole as a way to die.   A parachute not opening, that's a way to die. Getting caught in the gears of a combine. Having your nuts bit off by a Laplander, that's the way I wanna go.

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(13 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Zarban wrote:

EDIT: However, I am on record on his forum as saying I wish that film makers would put the TV cut on disks as an extra. A lot of movies from the '80s (like Police Academy, which I just watched) would be great fun for kids if they weren't filled with F-bombs and a couple of gratuitous nude scenes that were sometimes put in just to UP the rating because R-rated movies were more popular at the time.

Absolutely positively. Only one I can think of is the Criterion Repo Man, which is kind of a special case.

I keep forgetting that, like Invid, I grew up with the tv versions of movies, so I'm watching Top Secret with my 8-year old daughter and she thinks it's the funniest thing ever, and then the scene comes up with the Anal Intruder sex toy.  Whoops.

Xtroid wrote:

It looks so dense!

I thought it was like poetry.  When the landspeeder cuts across the water in front of the X-Wings, you know, it rhymes.

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Ah, hell.  Like Ringo, I'm just a sentimentalist.  Some random ones of many off the top of my head...

The end of Men In Black -- the "Man Awakes From Coma" newspaper

The Muppet Movie -- Kermit The Frog's 'Who are your friends, Doc?' speech to Doc Hopper in the ghost town

A couple of times in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but particularly when the kids bully young Joel into killing the bird and young Clementine comes to console him.

I've even been known to cry at the climactic scene in Spartacus, which no amount of parody can diminish.

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(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

dj_bakerman wrote:

Baccano - 1930s', mobsters, train robberies, immortals, catchy jazz music...

Looks very cool actually, but what's really sold me are the episode titles.  They include:

Episode 2: Setting the Old Woman`s Qualms Aside, the Flying Pussyfoot Departs
Episode 10: Czeslaw Meyer is Forced to Rework His Tremble-Before-the-Specter-of-Immortals Strategy
Episode 13: Both the Immortals and Those Who Aren`t Sing the Praises of Life Equally

Just on that basis, there's no way it can fail to be great! 

I'm afraid I really don't have a lot in the way of recommendations.  I haven't seen a lot of anime, and the ones I have are not particularly obscure ones:


Paranoia Agent:  Oh...my...sweet...Jesus. Probably the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on television.  Desperately bleak and completely brilliant.  Here's the opening credits.  Even having the transliteration and the translation of the lyrics pasted onto the screen doesn't make this any less unsettling. 

Serial Experiments Lain: About halfway through, my friend and I started referring to it as 'Ralph Bakshi's Last Year At Marienbad'.  If that sounds appealing, you'll probably like it.  And as undergraduate cod philosophizing goes, it's actually not too bad, unlike other shows we might name.  (*cough* Battlestar Galactica *cough*)

FLCL:  This must be what our grandparents saw on the screen when we were watching Bugs Bunny or Tom and Jerry cartoons.  A breathlessly bewildering kaleidoscope of crazy crap presented in a way that's almost incoherent.  But in a good way.


The only even maybe slightly obscure one I've seen is Kino's Journey, which I liked a lot.  It's a little hard to describe.  Sort of a travelogue fantasy with old school fairy tale overtones about a young girl and her sentient motorcycle who travel from country to country, but only staying for three days in each one.  Oblique and interesting. 

And just out of curiosity, any suggestions for relatively recent (say last 20 years) family-friendly anime series, especially for a precocious 8-year-old girl who likes video games and comic books?   We've seen (or know about) the classics (e.g. Speed Racer, Star Blazers, Heidi, Sailor Moon, etc.) but I have no idea what's out there more recently.

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macphotography08 wrote:

Wedding photography is the photography of exercises identifying with weddings.

I was just re-reading Zarban's reminiscences about Dorkman's prison years, and then read this post next, and I think I hurt my brain. 

Ben wrote:

I think we should just Mad Lib it up. Here's what I've got so far:

Brilliant!  My only suggested addition would be:

...There's nothing more awful than recovering the photographs and acknowledging you didn't photo [small object] with grandmother!...

And apologies to you, Boter, for distracting from your valiant attempt to turn this thread into something useful.  smile

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(248 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Wow, just shocking news.  All of us here will be sending good thoughts his way, and to friends and family as well.  If somehow there's something beyond well-wishes and donating that we can do to help, whatever that might be, don't hesitate to let us know.

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(262 replies, posted in Episodes)

OK, here's a batshit crazy suggestion:  Federico Fellini's 8 1/2.  Hear me out on this. 

First, I would really love to hear you guys talk about a Classic Important European Art Film.  Why?  Because it strikes me that you guys, and really all of us here on the forums, were the target audience for these films when they originally came out:  people who were interested in, and even knowledgeable about, cinema, people who were interested in non-mainstream/non-Hollywood stuff, the sort of audience who today would go to the theater to see an indie film or a documentary.  And, in that context of course, 8 1/2 was a huge critical and commercial success.

I'm really curious to have a discussion about how a film like this plays for a modern audience.  I don't mean anything to do with any film-school type analysis.  Just questions like:  Does it work?  Is it interesting? If not, why not?  What's different about a modern film-going audience?  How does what Fellini's doing compare with more modern 'art' filmmakers like, say, Darren Aranofsky or Shane Carruth?

And I think 8 1/2 would be a good choice specifically because it's all about film-making, the creative process, one's obligations as an artist, if any.  That sort of thing.  And, unlike me, all of you guys (and many people here on the forums) have been deeply involved in those sorts of issues for much of your adult lives.  Not only as writers and directors, but as any creative person involved in a film, I'm sure there are analogues to the everything that's going on in 8 1/2-- the scenes where the main character has all these people giving him their opinion, dealing with writer's block, producers in his ear telling him to do a, b, c, there's only X amount of money and you need to get going, etc. etc.

And I also wonder whether there isn't any connection between the old fashioned auteur-cinema (both as portrayed in the film and in real life) and modern low-budget film-making, particularly fan-films, which, again, all of you guys have been involved with.  A £200 million Hollywood blockbuster won't be like that of course, but surely the reason one goes to all the hassle of getting a fan-film or indie documentary actually up there on the screen is because you believe in something, you have a point of view, there's something you think that people aren't doing and that you want to do, etc. etc.  So it's not just a gig to pay the rent. You do think about "OK, why am I actually doing this?  What am I trying to achieve?"

Anyway, I'd be up for it, he says, as the crickets begin chirping and the tumbleweeds roll by....

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(985 replies, posted in Off Topic)

So, episode 2.  A significant improvement from last week, as we go from 'bewilderingly awful' to 'not very good'.  If the present trend continues, who knows what heights we might scale?

Peter Capaldi is still very good to excellent, though perhaps slightly let down by the aspects of the script.  Sure, it's supposed to be new regeneration and blah blah blah, but I think it's in the Thor commentary where the guys talk about drafts that just have the first thing you thought of for a line or a joke or whatever, and you then come back later to fix those.  Except if feels in places like they just never did that. 

But the big problem though is still the story. 

In the writer's guide for the original Star Trek, one of the things that Gene Roddenberry is at pains to emphasize is that science fiction doesn't have its own dramatic rules.  In principle, any story for Star Trek should be 'translatable' into something that would work in a police procedural, a hospital show, a legal show, etc. and be dramatically satisfying.  And that just doesn't happen in this episode.  You can hang all the lanterns on it you want, which they do (and I think this episode must have needed a dedicated gaffer just for that), but that doesn't make it better.

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Acknowledging that the concept is just a ripoff of Fantastic Voyage doesn't make it any less lazy.  And Clara complaining about being asked to just "do something clever" doesn't alter the fact that nothing that she does or that happens makes any sense.  "Hey, maybe this panel connects to something.  Wow, and pushing this button that sends memories (which doesn't otherwise seem to be stopping the Dalek) makes the 'Dalek antibodies' stop attacking us." I think if they'd just had Wesley invert the phase polarity it would have worked a lot better.

And what's kind of frustrating is that, just last week's episode actually, it seems like there's the core of a good idea here:

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the idea of a 'good' Dalek, and the idea that life always wins out in the end over extermination, and how that possibly relates to the Doctor's character, particularly given (relatively) recent events

But it's all just so half-assedly executed -- as if it was enough just to have the idea, rather than then needing to embed that idea in a decent story and script. 

And even at 40 minutes the episode feels padded, though it's not as bad as last week.

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However much time is taken up by the various shipboard battle sequences, it feels like too much, since they don't do anything, and none of these characters are well drawn enough to be that invested in whatever this vague rebellion is.  And it's not helped by the fact that we've got all this heavy-handed 'arc' stuff (OK, geez, I get it.  Mr Pink is one of these rebellion guys.).  Plus the fact that Clara's not traveling with the Doctor means that we have to waste time going back to pick her up, and then drop her off again.

I see from Wikipedia that starting with episode 7 we're getting a run of episodes by people who seem never to have written for Doctor Who before.  I'm quietly hopeful that maybe, with a little luck, those might possibly be 'meh'.

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(985 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I was walking past the Newcastle branch of Forbidden Planet this afternoon and noticed in the window that they were selling union-jack painted daleks.  Pig ignorance, or irony?  It's so hard to tell sometimes.

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(11 replies, posted in Episodes)

Well, I'm back.  I've always loved this movie from literally the first second.  The very beginning of it is, weirdly enough, one of those moments that I remember really clearly from the theater.  When the Miramax M logo fell away as "Across 110th Street" started up, I was just swept up into this amazing, diffusely sad, elegaic vibe before I'd even seen an actual frame of the film.

Actually, can I ask a favor of the assembled company?  Because I have such a strong memory of that first second of seeing the movie for the first time, I cannot stand the fact that my Region B bluray doesn't start with the original theatrical Miramax logo, but rather has the modern flight-through-a-CGI-Manhattan logo.  It's got music over it.  It's part of the goddamned film.  What the hell?

Is there any bluray anywhere in the world that has the original Miramax logo at the beginning?  If there is, I will buy it.  (If you live in the land of not-America, you can't survive without a multiregion bluray player.)  For reference, and proof that the internet has everything, if you go over to the Closing Logo Group's wiki page for Miramax, the one I'm talking about is the 3rd logo.

Anyway, as it turns out, I don't really have much to say in detail.  I'm pretty much on the same wavelength as Dorkman in terms of what I like about it and why, probably just more so (like I say, this is one of my favorite films).  I love the characters, and the sort of world-weariness of the Max/Jackie relationship.  I love the dialogue.  I love the pace, and the way he lingers on people so that you can watch expressions play across their faces.  And the end is just unbelievably affecting, with Robert Forster going out of focus a brilliant sympathetic touch.  (I always assumed that he was turning her down permanently, that in contrast to her he just doesn't quite have the courage to make the leap.) 

So really just a few random odds and ends to throw out.

In terms of why it didn't do well, I always think of an interview I read with a band talking about why their second album didn't do as well as their first, with the result that they got dropped from their label.  They said "the problem was that we made our fifth album instead of our second album".  That to me sums up why people didn't respond to it.  If QT had made a few more cartoons and then this, it would be a lot better regarded I think. 

Having said that though, in terms of commercial success, a quick look at Box Office Mojo turns up the fact that Jackie Brown made about 3.5 times its budget back at the domestic box office.  Made for 12m, as I think Trey says, and made back just a hair under 40m.  That's a better ratio than Reservoir Dogs, Inglourious Basterds or Django, and not hugely far off Kill Bill (which is about 4.5x)

On the subject of foot fetishism, funnily enough there are serious neurological proposals about that one.  Basically, if you look at the part of the brain that processes the sense of touch, there's a sensory 'map' which is more or less laid out in the shape of the human body itself, just upside-down.  So the area for the feet is on top, moving down through the area that covers the torso under that, and then the area for the mouth at the bottom.  The one exception is the area for the genitals, which is next to the feet on top.  And the theory is that foot fetishism is due to electrical/neurological 'cross-talk' between these two areas. 

As to why Max Cherry sort of acknowledges Louis when sees him in the department store, I always thought that had to be part of Jackie's plan.  Max as a bail-bondsman must have tons of experience following people and staying out of sight (like when he has to recapture someone who's jumped bail), and from the way it's shot during 'his' version of the exchange, it does look like he sees Louis and Melanie before they see him. 

So why would he want Louis to see him?  I assumed this was part of setting up Jackie's endgame with Ordell.  Her story is going to be "I was always trying to keep your money safe.  I was never trying to rip you off", since she knows it'll take Ordell only about 30 seconds to realize that she's got his money.  And Louis and Melanie seeing Max kind of giving them the high sign could be used as evidence later that she had nothing to hide.  Not only doesn't she care that they saw Max there, Max went out of his way to draw their attention to it.  Obviously though the real intention is for it to play out as it does in the film, with Ray killing Ordell for her when he comes to get the money. 

Last and least, does anybody really like Orange Julius?  That stuff always seemed totally disgusting.

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(11 replies, posted in Episodes)

My favorite Tarantino movie, possibly by a long shot.  I was just getting everything ready to listen to the commentary (since I prefer at least having the film on in the background with the subtitles on), and from watching less than 10 seconds of it I now need to watch it again (for like the 15th time).  Thanks guys.  I do not have time for this.  big_smile   See you in 5 hours....

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(985 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Sorry, didn't realize what the US schedule was like.  Done.  Didn't think I'd mentioned anything really spoiler-y.  Maybe I'll go back and be a bit more explicit then.  [Edit:  Can't be bothered.  And I do see one thing that I hadn't intended to be spoilery, but I now see could be interpreted in a way that would make it one.  TLDR:  Capaldi good and....Capaldi good.]

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(985 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Sorry guys.  I don't do Twitter and I don't do Facebook, so when I gotta get on the internet to rant about something two minutes after seeing it, I gotta come here.  Not sure where we are spoiler-wise, so I'll try to be discrete.

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Jesus God, that was awful.  Let's get the good out of the way first.  Two words:  Peter Capaldi.  He's very good, and the only good thing about it. 

Christ, where to start?  Why was this episode 80 minutes long?  Virtually nothing happens of any relevance until about an hour into it.  It's like they wrote the climactic third act scene between the Doctor and the control robot, and then just forgot to write the rest of it until production started, so they just filled the rest of the running time with a load of random crap that they quasi-improvised on these Victorian sets that they'd built.  None of it goes anywhere and none of it has any real bearing on the story.

And when you've got a new Doctor, why set the story with these three other characters that we've seen before?  It's just taking screen time away from getting to understand the new Doctor and actually having a story.  I'm not super familiar with them, having only seen about 2/3s of the David Tennant/Matt Smith episodes, and I think the ones with these guys I might have frequently skipped because IMDB said the episodes were bad, so I guess that's partly my fault.  But they're not really introduced well.  And they don't seem to have any story function in terms of helping us understand the Doctor any better or having any relation/perspective that's different from Clara. 

And the Sontaran guy in particular kept making me think of Robert Reed's memo about the Brady Bunch. It's a complete mess in terms of genre, not only between drama and comedy but within different genres of comedy as well.  Tonally we seem to be going in that darker direction that was promised, but then there's this slapstick stuff.  Exactly how much 'realism' is there supposed to be in this world, once we allow for the "there's aliens and time travel" magic bean?  Nothing feels right about the way that the various 'ordinary people' or police, for example, are reacting to the fantastical things that are happening.  And what the heck is happening at the very, very end?

And do not even start me about the way in which, in the final scene, Clara begins to accept that the new Doctor is actually her Doctor.  It's an absolute, complete fucking cop out.  Like the most egregious example you could construct of violating "show, don't tell".  Clara can't come to realize this by things like, say, the choices the Doctor makes or dialogue or any of that traditionally storytelling stuff.  We need the proverbial gorilla to come out of fucking nowhere.  Maybe it was somehow previously set up somewhere and I missed it, but that does not make it any better. 

Finally, for some reason I've never been quite so struck by the awfulness of the music before.  It's unbelievably intrusive and attention seeking.  Every five seconds we get bludgeoned over the head so that we know that Something Important is happening, people are running down the street, whatever.  And even the more mellow things still are really cliched (music box-y stuff to create an unsettling atmosphere, etc.)

I'd be inclined to give it some time to find its feet, if it weren't for the fact that the only 'new' part of it seems to be the only thing that's good.  Peter Capaldi seems to have hit the ground running.  He's not the problem.  The problem is the writer/showrunner that's been involved with the show for like three years already, and that does not bode well.

Whoof.

Well, slightly surprised that this thread seems to have died.  Woulda thought there would have been a bit more enthusiasm.  I've been avoiding any discussion for the last 10 months because I dropped out after episode 4 (mostly just on at a bad time and couldn't catch up), but I finally went back and watched the whole series. 

It definitely picks up, and on balance I liked it a fair amount, but even so Marvel-itis frustratingly rears its ugly head.  (There's a spoiler tag in the thread title, but since there aren't really any above, I'll be suitably oblique.)

There's a cataclysmic event which basically drives the plot of Captain America 2 and which has a huge impact on Agents of SHIELD.  The show builds up to it really well and it hits with a great deal of impact.  I was watching the episodes where it all comes to a head thinking "Man, if these two episodes were the finale of Season 1, I would just be living in front of my television until Season 2 started."  (Though there seems to have been a music clearance problem, as the second one is called "Turn Turn Turn" but the music that it features prominently at the beginning is "Don't Fear The Reaper".  I like it better with "Turn Turn Turn", but I'll forgive them if they use the Byrds' version of "Chimes of Freedom" sometime near the beginning of Season 2.) 

Unfortunately though, because Captain America 2 came out in March/April instead of May, that means all this happens about 3/4 of the way through the season, so they've got this five episode coda that they've got to sort of spin out.  They make a decent fist of it, to be fair, but then the actual season finale ends up being kind of anti-climactic.  The main immediate fallout more or less appears to have been tied up.  The 'cliffhanger' stuff about Skye just feels like small beer in comparison with what's gone before.  And the Coulson-related 'cliffhanger', which is the very last scene of the season, just reminded me of M Night Shyamalan, and not in a good way. 

I like Coulson's character a lot though, sort of like if Kermit The Frog was the leader of SEAL Team Six.  And in general the characters do change/develop a surprising amount during the season, and it all manages to stay just the right side of soap-opera-esque.  So I'm looking forward to Season 2, but I'm less psyched than I feel like I could have been, which is a little disappointing.

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Saw it on Thursday morning with my daughter (it opened a day earlier here in the UK) and really didn't feel like I had much to add to the discussion, but figured I'd chip in just to sort of keep Darth company.  I liked it, but I wanted to love it and didn't.

Perhaps because I'd heard from reviews that the plot was kind of complicated, I actually made an effort to follow it, and that was possibly a mistake because I really felt the Marvel-itis.  Many of the 'layers' to the plot didn't feel organic, but rather seemed to arise from the need to service previous and future entries, so the complexity seemed unnecessary. 

And for me Darth is spot on about battle sequences and the lack of danger in particular.  I thought there were too many of them (partly as a consequence of the plot complexity) and, like him, maybe this film just happened to be the tipping point, but every time I thought "Ok, here we go.  Another consequence-free cartoon to watch for 10 minutes." 

In the end, I think my overall feeling was more vague and diffuse frustration, but then maybe it's just because I'm a glass-half-empty kind of guy.  It felt like the people involved actually knew how to make a good movie, and sort of did.  The 'character scenes' were in general good (though I really felt a split between the 'character scenes' and the 'action scenes').  If they'd just had more scope to develop the characters (particularly the bad guys), it could have been really great instead of likeable enough.

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Herc wrote:

I recently rewatched the original, and though I still like it, I was shocked by how sparse and un-daring it was. It has so much potential for social commentary, but it's really lightly sketched.

Oh don't you worry about that.  Just keep watching....

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fireproof78 wrote:
Doctor Submarine wrote:
fireproof78 wrote:

Quick question for those who might know. Since I don't have cable, does BBC stream the episodes after airing so I can keep up on this series?

They do on BBC iPlayer, but you need to be live in England to access it.

Well, the website needs to think your browser is connecting from England, anyway. *cough*

*finds a British accent emulator for his computer's speech modulator.*

That should work, right? wink

Not quite, you've got to program it to make all the appropriate word substitutions:  'boot' for trunk, 'lift' for elevator, 'that bloody woman' for Margaret Thatcher, etc.  Also, you need to make sure it signs off all messages with 'Toodle-pip'.  That should do it.