Dorkman wrote:

I just understood that Artoo was basically going "Oh, yeah, totally. Dagobah. That sounds like a great and not at all crazy plan. Golly, that's a long way off, and you've had a long day. Why don't you let me fly and just take a nap or something?" With the full intention of basically commandeering the X-Wing, going to the rendezvous, and maybe getting 2-1B to check Luke's brain again.

Even the droid that can't talk has subtext in this movie. Goddammit Hollywood, this is how you do it.
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Ya, I think your reading too much into that one.

And another thin, not to start a war or anything, but your comment above about how Lucas
says he didnt like ESB and how the prequels sucked and how George just doesnt know how
Star Wars should be made,

well I just have to say this. It is his idea, his brainchild. If he wants to make movies that all the original
fans seem to hate, that is his perogative. I personally like the prequels just as much as the original
movies, I like all 6 of them equally, they tell a story, regardless of how bad or good the casting might
be or script was, it was still a good story and it is fine IMO.
I can watch a movie and if there is something that doesnt work or fit, minor stuff, I can just
imagine it the way I felt it should be, so I dont get disapointed with it.
Not that there isnt times with movies were I want to yell at the screen, lol

I was watching the commentary, and someone says, maybe Trey, that "lea can remember her
mother in these movies, proof that Lucas was making it up as he goes along"

I dont get it, because of course she would say she has a mother and father
she remembers, she was given to a married couple, Jimmy Smits and wife,
and raised as their own, so as far as Lea is concerned those were her parents.

It isnt till the end of episode 6 that she telepathically finds out that Vader is her father
and Luke is the brother.

abd as far as having lea and luke kiss in 4 and 5, Lucas couldhave still known that he was
going to make them twins in the 6th movie, because they wouldnt know they were twins,
and even if it might be creepy for the viewer(I dotn have a problem with it), it would
be normal for them to show their affection like non twins, lol

1. Luke specifically says "Your real mother." Leia knew she was adopted.

2. What do you mean "telepathically finds out"? Luke tells her. No telepathy.

3. The plain fact is that Lucas didn't. Go read the early story treatments for ROTJ.

mkeithddc wrote:

Darth Praxus wrote:

1. Luke specifically says "Your real mother." Leia knew she was adopted.

2. What do you mean "telepathically finds out"? Luke tells her. No telepathy.

3. The plain fact is that Lucas didn't. Go read the early story treatments for ROTJ.

What movie are you watching, in the end of 6, lukes like "Im your Brother", and she
was like, "I know, I think Ive always known", leia, is part jedi, so she could
sense lukes and Vaders feelings.

"Go read the early Treatmeants", um no, dont care what wasnt filmed, what is on
celluloid is what is period. no books or"expanded universe", I am not a fanboy,
I watch movies, sorry.

Don't want to turn this into a flame war, so this is the last post I'll make on the subject, but:

1. Okay, that's fine, but that wasn't your statement. You said that "It wasn't until the end of ROTJ that she found out telepathically". And in any event she never knew about Vader being her father until Luke told her.

2.  I'm not talking about the EU. I'm talking about Lucas's early story treatments for ROTJ, before the film was in production.

As long as this thread is open again, I had a thought regarding the "footprint in the snow". We all know these films were changed in the editing room, sometimes quite a bit. Is it at all possible that, according to the original shot list, that scene of the AT-AT's foot coming down WAS first? That it was later changed for pacing reasons? Whatever the intentions of the FX people, that all gets thrown out the window once things get deep into post production.

Indeed. I get so much out of reading the early drafts (the making of books are fantastic references for this) and seeing what plot lines go where and how things all pull together is so interesting to me. It sheds more light on to the process of creating the finished work. Star Wars has become more interesting to me the more I learn about it and the process that it took to create it.

mkeithddc wrote:

yes I did, Its right from the directors commentary, which the bluray hasdanny boyle
and one with scientist that did all the consulting.

what is your point?

I don't recall that being the explanation at all. My point was that on the one hand you're really reaching with that explanation (using knowledge from outside the movie as well) and then here you're questioning what is a perfectly valid interpretation of a scene.

fireproof78 wrote:

Indeed. I get so much out of reading the early drafts (the making of books are fantastic references for this) and seeing what plot lines go where and how things all pull together is so interesting to me. It sheds more light on to the process of creating the finished work. Star Wars has become more interesting to me the more I learn about it and the process that it took to create it.

This is why stick to the movies, I am a film buff, not a Star Wars buff, know what I mean?
You guys are talkng about stuff that I have no knowledge of, early treatments and whatever,
I have never been into that stuff with any movie. Just like to listen how it was made and all,
not what could have been done different with the story,
To me, once a movie has been made, and sometimes there are directors cuts, but not counting
that, once its done, that story is set in stone to me. I dont cry about how this character didnt have this
arc or this makeup wasnt quite right. whatever, I fill in the rest with my imagination. like reading a
book. But like I said, I like to listen to commentaries when people are talking about who this or that
effect was done, thats my thing.