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1. GRAVITY
2. MONSTERS UNIVERSITY
3. OBLIVION
4. SIDE EFFECTS
5. THE CROODS

Filling it out to five was tough. Other than GRAVITY, which was phenomenal, the others are less favorites and more "eh, worth seeing at some point." Honorable mention to THE WAY WAY BACK, CAPTAIN PHILLIPS, and, bizarrely, WORLD WAR Z. THE WOLVERINE and CATCHING FIRE are also watchable but take-or-leave.

There are a number of movies released this year which I have yet to see but I hope might change my list a bit once I do, based on their word-of-mouth:

MUD
ALL IS LOST
THIS IS THE END
EUROPA REPORT
PHILOMENA
12 YEARS A SLAVE
AMERICAN HUSTLE
PRISONERS
KILL YOUR DARLINGS
DALLAS BUYERS CLUB

I watched an hour of UPSTREAM COLOR and gave it up for garbage. I found PRIMER to be fairly insufferable too, though, so I just don't vibrate on Carruth's wavelength like everyone else seems to.

If what made DRIVE interesting is a steak, ONLY GOD FORGIVES is the roadside diner challenge where you have to choke down a triple-sized steak in one sitting.

Worst of 2013 for me -- too many to name just five:

ELYSIUM
THE GRANDMASTER
GANGSTER SQUAD
HANSEL & GRETEL WITCH HUNTERS
OZ THE GREAT AND POWERFUL
JACK THE GIANT SLAYER
IRON MAN 3
MAN OF STEEL
PACIFIC RIM
THE WORLD'S END

Thanks to everyone who came out for this. It was particularly great to be on mic with (and meet) Kyle and Zarban, both of whom had great stuff to say, and thanks to Eddie for the great food, Holden for holding the whole thing Atlas-like on his shoulders, Spork for the moral support and Cloe for permitting the invasion and occupation. I hope I acquitted myself well and honored the event and a franchise close to my heart. I felt like I did but it's all a blur. PHOENIX may very well be a collection of barks and whistles.

Zarban wrote:

Yep, that's why I watch movies about wizards, JK Rowling: realism.

No no, the blame is squarely on Yates' shoulder for how he chose to visualize the battles. 

Doctor Submarine wrote:

Fair point, but the series has to have its own internal logical consistency. Also, there are eight of these movies, and there's only so many strange and original spells to come up with.

Kinda like saying "there's only so many ways to throw a punch." As a kung fu movie aficionado, I can assure you the only limit to throwing punches in a choreographed fight scene is the imagination of the choreographers.

And now imagine instead of punches it's DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE BECAUSE MAGIC.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

Half the spells they use in the books are some variation on "knock my enemy backwards."

Snape vs. McGonagall, from the book:

Professor McGonagall moved faster than Harry could have believed: Her wand slashed through the air and for a split second Harry thought that Snape must crumple, unconscious, but the swiftness of his Shield Charm was such that McGonagall was thrown off balance. She brandished her wand at a torch on the wall and it flew out of its bracket: Harry, about to curse Snape, was forced to pull Luna out of the way of the descending flames, which became a ring of fire that filled the corridor and flew like a lasso at Snape --

Then it was no longer fire, but a great black serpent that McGonagall blasted to smoke, which re-formed and solidified in seconds to become a swarm of pursuing daggers: Snape avoided them only by forcing the suit of armor in front of him, and with echoing clangs the daggers sank, one after another, into its breast...

Flitwick's spell hit the suit of armor behind which Snape had taken shelter: With a clatter it came to life. Snape struggled free of the crushing arms and sent it flying back toward his attackers: Harry and Luna had to dive sideways to avoid it as it smashed into the wall and shattered. When Harry looked up again, Snape was in full flight, McGonagall, Flitwick, and Sprout all thundering after him: He hurtled through a classroom door, and moments later, he heard McGonagall cry, "Coward! COWARD!"

Snape vs. McGonagall, from the movie:

[standing almost completely stationary] BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. WOOSH.

MCGONAGALL
(whispering)
coward

Books                                                        Films
1) Deathly Hallows                                  1) Prisoner of Azkaban
2) Prisoner of Azkaban                            2) Deathly Hallows Part 1
3) Half-Blood Prince                                 3) Half-Blood Prince
4) Order of the Phoenix                           4) Order of the Phoenix
5) Goblet of Fire                                       5) Chamber of Secrets
6) Chamber of Secrets                             6) Goblet of Fire
7) Philosopher's Stone                             7) Philosopher's Stone
                                                                 8) Deathly Hallows Part 2

Azkaban was my #1 book until Deathly Hallows. The final book brings everything in for a landing and absolutely sticks it. The final film by contrast makes a complete hash of it. The buildup to the battle is great, but the battle itself and the complete failure to resolve the mystery plot or have the final confrontation be anything more than the magical equivalent of a knife fight... I mean, it was all there, right on the page. How you fuck that up when someone already figured it out for you is beyond me.

I agree. AVATAR used undeniably groundbreaking filmmaking techniques, but did so with a target goal of making a fairly typical movie, though a prettier one. GRAVITY used equally groundbreaking techniques in the service of a particular, crafted-to-the-context experience.

I've said before that the problem with 3D has been that filmmakers continue to make films the way they do in 2D -- that if there's a validity in the 3D medium, it will require the development of a different cinematic grammar. (If I may toot my own horn, I had a suspicion it would involve longer shots, since the refocusing of eyes and brain between cuts is much of what makes 3D distracting, and I noticed the longer shots in BEOWULF were more successful; but I'd certainly never have dared to think of anything on the order of GRAVITY.) If 3D filmmaking does indeed develop into its own language, GRAVITY may not turn out to speak it fluently, but it's at least the Rosetta stone.

It certainly can happen. One of the reasons I was so taken with Breaking Bad was the fact that they were quite openly making it up as they went and yet managed to frequently make things feel like they were coming full circle.

Well, she wrote the first novel at least on a typewriter, but yeah.

I'm personally trying to get in the habit when I write of saving drafts as I go, partially just in case I accidentally stumble into something awesome and want to be able to show the path that led me there but more so that I can always go back to what I wrote before or cannibalize earlier drafts for descriptions or dialogue I like. If we're lucky, she did the same.

Trey wrote:

I want to put this Dorkman and the Dorkman from the religion thread in a pit and make them fight.

I think you'll find he's declared himself impressed by HP as well. wink

What I'd love is if we someday got a book or set of books collating the early drafts and development notes, a la History of Lord of the Rings. (Naturally it would be called Hogwarts, a History.) But seeing as how she was super poor at the time and didn't know if it would go anywhere, she probably tossed a lot of that as she went or burned it for warmth or something. sad

I'm sure she had a series bible of her own, but I agree that a lot of details certainly got filled in as she went. What she knew when is a question only she can answer, but it's fun to guess.

EDIT: For example, I would bet that she had sorted out the broad strokes of horcruxes before she began writing the first book, though whether or not she'd given them that name isn't possible to know nor really relevant. An author as fixated on motivation, as Zarban pointed out, would have to know for her own peace of mind how Voldemort survived the rebounding curse.

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So much is made of the connection between them and Harry's scar that if she had sorted out horcruxes she had certainly already decided Harry was one of them.
She probably had not yet decided as of the first book what any of the others would be, though I would say she wrote Chamber knowing the nature of the diary. By the same token, I would bet she had not decided on the difficulty level of destroying horcruxes nor that basilisk venom was one of the only ways to do it -- at the time stabbing the diary just in general was probably enough -- and so that bit and the whole "goblin steel takes in that which makes it stronger" chicanery is pure retcon to create more of a challenge for the trio in the final volume.

But of course this could all be nonsense. Only Jo Rowling knows for sure. smile

Zarban wrote:

[The Order of the Phoenix and the prophecy about Harry aren't even hinted at until Order, despite the fact that all the central characters in Azkaban were in the order and V's whole motivation for attacking Harry is the prophecy.

Untrue regarding the prophecy. When Harry tells Dumbledore about Trelawney's prediction re: Pettigrew, Dumbledore says that makes it the second true prophecy she's ever made. I would give her the benefit of the doubt that she at least figured out in advance the reason Voldemort went after Harry.

I do agree about the lack of setup for the Deathly Hallows though. That bothered me a lot when I read the final book.

EDIT: worth noting, it's also clear she DIDN'T have things all planned out by her own admission. She changed her mind about killing off characters which would have necessarily had major repercussions, and in the case of Goblet she's talked about getting halfway through before realizing she'd created a massive plot hole she had to do all sorts of calisthenics around. But the throughline of the Voldemort storyline -- and the backstory -- I expect she nailed down and could drop clues about whenever.

It's possible that she may have done this occasionally -- referencing Stan Shunpike beyond his first appearance in Azkaban could easily have been a spur of the moment decision -- but the number of early seeds planted for major plot points is so extensive it would require Rowling to be significantly more of a genius to pull them together with no plan at all than to have planted them deliberately, and is frankly the less plausible explanation.

It's seems to me to be pretty clearly the opposite case -- the piles of throwaway detail are there to disguise important clues. If the only details she ever mentioned were the ones that would later be important, there'd hardly be any mystery at all (this was a major problem with the Hunger Games books).

Not usually the best way to first-watch a film, with us (or anyone) yammering over it, but I'm not gonna argue with you since you're making the food. You do you bro.

You've read the book, though?

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moar info plz

Also congrats.  smile

Owen Ward wrote:

I'm not so sure if it was 'emo Harry' was the problem for me, it more just felt like nothing interesting was really happening.

This is a common complaint with OOTP. I had the same problem with it until I realized that was the point, and decided it was kind of brilliant. Will elaborate on the ep.

I was surprised in the interviews by how common it is for the honeymoon to be over with the GOBLET OF FIRE film. I thought that was just me.

bullet3 wrote:

I hope you mention some of this long-term stuff during the podcast, because I completely do not remember any of these "hidden seeds" that you're talking about from the early books. I'd imagine it's the kind of thing you'd only pick up on in a re-read as an adult, so I'm real curious what kind of stuff was set up early.

Many of them will have to be remarked upon in their absence, since the filmmakers didn't know they were important either and left many of them out.

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For quick examples -- Hagrid says in the very first chapter of Philosopher's Stone that he borrowed the flying motorcycle from "young Sirius Black;" Mrs. Figg from Order of the Phoenix is introduced in the second chapter of Philosopher's Stone; and Dumbledore's duel with Gellert Grindlewald -- which as we learn in the latter half of the final book is how Dumbledore became master of the Elder Wand -- is mentioned on his chocolate frog card in chapter six of book one. Not to mention the fundamental principle that the wand chooses the wizard, which is key to the conclusion, is very nearly the first thing we learn about how magic works.

I started reading them in college while studying English literature, and fell in love easily.

The Potter books are like the (former) view of Pixar. They're not the most important books ever written, nor the best ever. But they're still goddamn good. They're fun, entertaining, and imaginative, accessible to all ages and as Trey said surprisingly mature and dark when the situation warrant. They tell a universal story and don't shy away from the tough questions, nor give easy answers. When the good guys fail they suffer devastating consequences, and sometimes their failure is self-inflicted. They're not "safe," always-reassuring books, but they're honest, and that's thrilling. Not to mention being a masterclass in long-game plotting.

The idea of reading 7 before 6 gives me nerdpanic.

First I will say, you ought to read the books before you see the movies. The movies cut out a lot of the personality of the books, but give you just enough of the plot to completely ruin all the surprises.

The mythology and world building are really fun and interesting, but the thing that really knocks people's socks off is the fact that it's not a series about "some misadventures" and "periodic throwdowns" with the villain. The first couple of books feel that way. It seems like the books are just going to be mystery-of-the-week where Harry and the Scooby gang thwart the villain once again, until the next installment, and that it could go indefinitely.

In the third book that all changes. It becomes apparent that these aren't episodic stories. They're all part of a single story, a seven-volume epic mystery, with clues for book seven laid as early as book one.

Just read them. The first two books you could do in a couple of days. They're okay, amusing but not astounding, but you have to read them because they're important to the overall story. Power through to the third. Most people are hooked by the third.

bullet3 wrote:

(they REALLY should've cut the shitty boring middle of that book and just made a single amazing movie instead of 2 kinda decent ones)

Disagree so hard. That's one of my favorite sections in the series and a majorly important stage in Harry's personal journey.

bullet3 wrote:

I LOVE the magic battle in the diner that's filmed like a movie shootout

This is really exactly the problem. In Yates' films, wands might as well be guns. They just fling bursts of explosive light at each other, and if they do it simultaneously the wands connect in the way that only Harry and Voldemort's are supposed to do.

For a while now I've been wanting to shoot a wand duel that did all the cool stuff the movie duels didn't. We might finally do that next year.

I should shut up. I'll be saying all of this again during the marathon.

Watch CHAMBER again. That's what it does there, too. It blows Lockhart back but his wand stays in his hand.

Zarban wrote:

The movies really should have made the magic more cinematic. The books really do have characters just get shoved around a lot.

The movies actually managed to make magic less imaginative. No matter what incantation is verbalized, 90 percent of the time the effect is "blast target back about 20 feet."

BigDamnArtist wrote:

It's NOT special, it's another really well done piece of VFX, just like every other tentpole movie out there.

The extent to which this film is created in VFX is far beyond other tentpole films. GRAVITY is on a level with AVATAR in terms of VFX achievement.

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is there a movie you watch once a year, every year, perhaps on some anniversary?
For a while my friends and I would watch MICHAEL every holiday season. It's a long story. Anyway we haven't done it for a few years so the tradition/curse is broken.

do you switch off the lights and the phones and unplug the door bells?
I prefer to, yeah.

if there are sequels, do you try and watch all of them together?
Not in a go, but if I watch the first of a series I'll usually follow through on the others in short order.

can you just watch #2 or #5 in a series, or do you have to watch all in order?
If I've seen them all before then sure. If I haven't watched them before then this is unacceptable. Even if fans reassure me it isn't necessary to have seen the previous ones, I can't deal. I haven't seen TROLL 2 because I haven't seen TROLL yet. I know full well that they are completely unrelated but I still can't do it.

can you watch over other friend's houses, or do you have to have it perfect at home?
Nah, I can watch at other people's houses. I don't like it as "background" at parties though. If we're going to watch a movie, everybody sit down and watch the movie. If we're not, just put on music.

do the blu-ray snobs refuse to watch DVDs now?
Given the option yes. But if at a friend's house and they don't have BD, or a BD edition simply doesn't exist, such is life.

with certain movies, can you just watch a scene or do you have to watch the entire movie?
I pretty much never watch scenes in isolation. 

if you arrive at the cinema late, do you still go in, or come back another session?
If the trailers are still going, I'll go in. If the film already started, I'll come back.

Arclight Cinemas here in L.A. used to refuse you entry if you arrived after the film had started. I don't think they do that any more though.

To add my own ritual: when I was growing up I would often spend weekends at my cousins' home. For a while we were on a kick of watching HOCUS POCUS, which coincided for whatever reason with them being on a kick of making chili as a weekend meal. So now I can't watch HOCUS POCUS without a bowl of chili.

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Lots of stuff coming out that needs doing. MAN OF STEEL and WORLD'S END just dropped too. We'll have a nice lineup post-Potter.

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Darth Praxus wrote:

Lucasfilm claims to have destroyed the negatives, but other sources claim they're still intact.

The destruction of the negatives is such a flagrant lie. There would be no reason whatsoever to do that, and at any rate they would have had to scan the negs for the Special Edition. If the film negative doesn't exist somewhere, all of the elements are on a hard drive somewhere, as well as magnetic tape backups I'm sure.

If they had claimed the negatives had been destroyed in an accident or were badly maintained that would be one thing. But LFL (i.e. George) gave a reason that is clearly nonsense.

If they can sort out the rights with Fox, once Episode 9 is in the bag Disney will either release the unaltered (or lightly "restored") prints without any reference made to this "destroyed negatives" poppycock, or announce with great fanfare that they miraculously found an intact print a la METROPOLIS.