I watched FROZEN. I liked it but the machinations are ridiculous. Things happen because they do. Every character makes terrible decisions until they don't.
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I watched FROZEN. I liked it but the machinations are ridiculous. Things happen because they do. Every character makes terrible decisions until they don't.
Crawling thru season 3 of Veronica Mars. It doesn't have the spark of the first two seasons, but I'm determined to finish it before watching the movie.
I'm gonna use that for something, Alex, I swear it, even if it's just my new ringtone.
I've watched this like 10 times now, and it never fails to amuse me. That music is awesome.
I bought two shirts.
Terrific film, altho I don't know that I've ever seen the very beginning or the very end, just the middle about 10 times.
I look forward to revisiting it with the panel.
WAYDM does a great job of looking at a movie from multiple points of view (4 of them, typically) and having a wide open discussion on what works and what doesn't work, and that extends to the forum.
If this movie's plot structure works for you, then the movie works for you, and that's fine... for you. But it doesn't work for a lot of people, and WAYDM is good at figuring out why when that's the case.
I think if the movie works for you, you're less in a position to disagree with someone else's opinion about why it doesn't work for all those other people. You're at the side of the elephant saying "This is a great elephant!" while most people are at the back saying "This is a terrible elephant!" And Mike is saying "I think it's because we're looking at the butt hole." And you're like "Stop looking at the butt hole!" And We're like "This is the direction we approached the elephant from! If Rian Johnson wants us to see it some other way, he needs to turn the elephant around!"
Nice work, despite all the talking over each other.
My take is almost the opposite of Teague's. I hated the first 40 minutes because of how badly the character motivations and identities are sketched out. Most of the characters themselves don't know who each other is or even who is in charge. Characters disobey direct orders and wander off and get lost; the captain abandons his post without leaving anyone to monitor the lost characters.... It's bizarre.
But the last half, where stuff actually begins happening, makes just enough sense to me for me to kind of be okay with it. The engineers want to destroy humans--their accidental(?) creation--but their biological weapon got out of hand and killed them. And then we arrive and say "What up? Give us immortality!" And the engineer is like "Ha ha! LOLballs, no way."
But there's soooo much mushy near-prequel sub-plottery that the movie trips all over itself.
Oh yes. I was ignoring the idea of fitting it into a single episode. I said on the TD thread after ep 7 that needed more than 1 more episode to play out the finale properly.
Marty and Rust nail Sheriff Childress based on info they get out of the deputy-now-sheriff they kidnapped. Childress cops to molesting underage girls in occult rituals with Reverend Tuttle that were started by the patriarch Sam Tuttle, who called himself the Yellow King. But they, like old Sam, let the girls go (with threats and promises). They deny that the reverend's cousin(?), Governor-now-Senator Tuttle, was ever involved. But Maggie's father WAS. And Marty's daughter was one girl this circle ritually molested and released.
Marty and Rust confront Maggie's father, who confesses that he was long a part of the circle and then kills himself in front of them before they can do worse to him. But from him, Marty and Rust learn more about Errol, who once participated in the circle's rituals but hasn't in a long time because his behavior became disturbing, even to them. Errol treats his dead grandfather with great reverence and has, unbeknownst to the upscale circle, dug up his corpse and put it on display in the ruins of an abandoned fort called by them Carcosa. There, he and an even darker circle rape and murder girls and boys and prostitutes in their own rituals of purity and impurity, with Errol as the Yellow King. To these rituals, Errol has sometimes invited people like Ledoux and DeWall. But when they try to go after Errol, Marty and Rust are stopped by the agents of, as it turns out, Senator Tuttle.
Marty and Rust, now completely off the reservation, go after Senator Tuttle, and find that he did indeed once participate in the old Tuttle rituals but later came under the influence of Errol. They follow the senator to the remote location of Carcosa, where they find plenty of evidence. But that evidence is burned up when they confront, fight, and kill all the members of the circle amid the raging fire and get wounded (but not so badly). They decide to bury the bodies in the swampy cemetery next to the fort and let the senator's disappearance remain a mystery.
But before they do, they get a final confession from the senator and Errol, who explain that their ritual is the ancient one and Childress' is a corruption of Sam Tuttle's invention. Theirs was handed down for three centuries, when slaves and Indians were sacrificed to elder gods. ("Not the devil. No, much older; much worse.") And there are plenty of old bones and chilling Daguerreotypes around to corroborate their story. Errol and Senator Tuttle claim they "took the rituals back to the old ways, the pure ways." And Errol claims that when they kill him, another Yellow King will arise in his place.
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