3,976

(207 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Shawshank. Please.

Identify They Who Entrapped An Anthropomorphized Lagomorpha

3,977

(207 replies, posted in Off Topic)

OH OH I KNOW I KNOW

3,978

(37 replies, posted in Off Topic)

C ^ C v C < C > L R C v Z

AHHHHH I CAN'T REMOVE IT

Seriously, I would destroy you all in Goldeneye.

3,979

(37 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I have played fewer games than Jeffery.

3,980

(2,061 replies, posted in Episodes)

We're doing a theme weekend again this week, actually. The Green Mile and The Shawshank Redemption, is the plan.

3,981

(81 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I love Premiere, myself.

3,982

(59 replies, posted in Episodes)

Dude, not cool. I haven't eaten today.

3,983

(59 replies, posted in Episodes)

I recall bringing up the a/the thing on the show.

3,984

(16 replies, posted in Episodes)

1. I think you're thinking of Art of Noise, Sonny Jim.

2. You know, good point. I could totally see that.

3,985

(16 replies, posted in Episodes)

Do you, err, Hau Ruck?

3,986

(16 replies, posted in Episodes)

I love how between me, Fixed, and to an even further degree InsideOutcast, we've got some honest to goodness "never ride in a car with that person" types up in here.

I will give you a headache with my '90s industrial. My god.

3,987

(16 replies, posted in Episodes)

As mentioned, here's a video of me on the crazy handlebar-less Segway. I use it as a dolly halfway into the video, it really is a good tool for that kind of thing.

http://www.twitvid.com/NZYR6

And here's the concert shot Ryan was talking about, where the guy is fucking racing past the audience on a Segway and leaps off at full speed and runs onstage. It really is worth watching, very fucking cool.

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/21/ama … sprinting/

3,988

(16 replies, posted in Episodes)

Straaaaaaaaaaange Daaaaaaaaays

3,989

(1,019 replies, posted in Episodes)

Zarban makes points that I agree with.

3,990

(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

@fcw: What the chart is doing is categorizing movies we've done by the nature of their "magic beans," or "story-enabling unrealistic element," as I was defining it at the time. (And for the purposes of this post, that will be what I mean when I say "magic bean.") I did this for fun, it's not particularly useful for anything but an amusing way to collate data.

I started by thinking about the various types of magic beans that seem to be the most fundamental, boiling it down to as few divisions as possible, and played with that for a while as I started putting movies into categories. A couple times I stopped and restarted because I came up with a slight alteration, or a better way to divide them, etc., but what I ultimately came up with is what you see...which could be expressed thusly: "when someone writes a story with a magic bean, what they're basically doing is writing a story with a magic character, or magic technology, or magic circumstances, or a magic event."

I got that far and started really swapping movies around, trying to place everything. To give you an example of how that went, here's my thought process for Mystery Men.

"Alright, it's...well, the universe is basically reliable, it's not a Wonderland, so it's one of these...I guess the universe is generally fantasy, but more importantly this story doesn't happen without these characters who think they're superheroes, and that's the biggest stretch of the movie, all these characters, good guys and bad guys, who think they're superheroes. And one of them even has a bowling ball that is voodoo magic, it couldn't possibly happen in our world, so between characters that are highly unrealistic because of their shared delusion, in addition to the bowling ball thing, the magic bean of this movie is characters more than setting."

And it goes under "Magic Characters." Again, the definition of "magic" I was using is "story-enabling unrealistic element," these are unrealistic people, you would not walk outside and find these guys at the gas station right now, they're an indulgence on the part of the writer so he can tell his funny story about people learning that they're special and teamwork and friendship and blah blah blah naked black guy.

But then for each of those main categories, I realized there were two or three varieties of each. Magic Characters...actual, singular participants in the story that you couldn't or wouldn't ever meet? Well, some are humans imbued with a super power, for instance The Bowler (or Captain Barbossa or Erik Draven from The Crow), and then some are non-human creatures, like Edward Cullen or Optimus Prime. They're all magic, unrealistic characters - you're not gonna meet a cursed pirate any sooner than you're gonna meet Optimus Prime - but they're not the same. So I broke up Magic Characters into "Power" and "Alien."

Magic Technology was actually the hardest to do, because most of them have a relationship with Magic Circumstances -> Fictional History, and figuring out whether it operated on the presence of technology, or the presence of an alternate society, was tricky. (And frankly, all of these movies are pretty debatable.) The best example of what this category does is Iron Man - add magic arc reactor technology to our universe, and you can have the story of Iron Man. Add Surrogates to our universe, and you can get the story of Surrogates. Add dino-clonery, and you can have Jurassic Park, etc..

But then, aha, if you put God in a box, you can have Raiders of the Lost Ark. This time, the distinction was easy to find: some of these are science fiction technologies, and some of them are - no offense to anyone - best described as "voodoo." Just random, superstitious bullshit the writer could get away with. Ark of the Covenant, magic lamp, a mask possessed by Loki, etc..

Magic Circumstances was interesting and sort of enlightening, when I started to think about it. First, there are some movies in Magic Circumstances that this next thing doesn't apply to, but...for the most part, this category consists of movies that have both Magic Characters and Magic Technology. This category is for movies where the main difference is in the world, somehow. As you can see, it's divided up into Fictional History, Fictional Sentience, and Fantasy Universe.

Fictional History movies require little more than that we're in another point on our reasonable, realistic timeline. Pitch Black, which is not in this category - sure, it takes place in the future, but it doesn't really matter to the story. What matters is the technology - spaceships that crash land, surgeries that increase Riddick's visual ability, weapons, etc.. Fictional History is movies that more or less JUST require that we're a bit in the future, or a bit in the past - and allows for slight evolutionary changes in the society, if it's the future. For instance, in the near future (with the to-be-expected ten years of tech development, but no, like, Replicants) human babies stop being born. In the near future, Britain slides into fascism and someone plots to overturn the government. That kind of thing.

In a Fictional Sentience movie, the main difference between its world an ours is that in its world, there's a whole magic "civilization" or "society" or, at the very least, "existence" that the story requires. The Frighteners, ghosts/heaven. Legion, angels/heaven. TRON, sentient programs on the grid. So on.

And here's a good example of how this chart doesn't work. Starship Troopers is listed here, as opposed to Magic Technology->Science or Magic Circumstances->Fictional History because...well, most inherently, it's the existence of the bugs that drives the story. But as a movie like Starship Troopers handily indicates, sometimes a movie doesn't squarely fit into any one category. Just gotta stick to arbitrary rules and figure out the most unusual thing about the reality of the movie, and put it there. It was trying to figure out where Starship Troopers goes that it occurred to me I'd need to cross-link movies after categorizing them, which I'll get to in a minute.

Fantasy universe refers to a lot of things, but as a matter of shorthand - heh - well, this one includes Magic Characters, Magic Technology, AND the other two subcategories of Magic Circumstances - Fictional History and Fictional Sentience. Star Wars, Up, Hook and The Fifth Element all contain magic characters, magic tech, fictional histories and fictional sentiences. (Princess Bride is here too, but it doesn't require a fictional sentience.) Cool, huh? Next time someone asks you what a fantasy is, that might be a handy basis of argument.

Finally, Magic Events. "Oh shit something is happening" movies. Pretty straightforward, boils down to something falling apart here on Earth, or something coming to Earth. Again, sure, Independence Day could fall under "Fictional Sentience," but that's not what's driving the story, is it? What drives the story is the invasion. Thusly, it goes here and not there. (Like I've stressed, there's a lot of arguability in this list, but it'd be fun argument.)

But for that very reason, I decided, after the categories and subcategories and lists had been fully compiled to cross-reference movies with other magic beans they invoke. This doesn't mean they have multiple magic beans, so much as it flavors the most-important magic bean a bit. Mystery Men is a movie that REQUIRES Magic Characters, but spiced up a bit with a Fantasy Universe. Jurassic Park REQUIRES dino-clonery tech, but hey, once we've done that, we get some Magic Characters. And so on.


End of line.


Writing this post I've been referring to the chart a lot, and would make these corrections if possible:

Pan's Labyrinth is listed under "Power," that's an error, it should be under "Alien." The Fawn ain't a guy with a special power, he's a mythological creature come to life.

Orgazmo operates on the presence of the Orgazmorator, his gun that shoots orgasms into people. As bullshit as technology can be, but not voodoo. Should be under Science.

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I think Moby is correctly placed. The purpose for the distinction there is "the magic bean is a character that shouldn't exist," just like vampires, gremlins, Audrey II, etc..

The quibble about Armageddon is fair, it boils down to whether or not you consider "extinction-scale asteroid gonna hit the Earth" a magic bean. I decided it was close enough.

"Infestation" is another not-perfect category title, the distinction I was trying to label is "a magic event, inherent to what we already have," or "a magic event, that comes to us from elsewhere."

Then again, spoiler lol, the NTIs in The Abyss don't qualify as "comes to us from elsewhere," so fuck if I know.

3,992

(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

The Fictional History magic bean is "it takes place in another time on our plausible timeline." For instance, the requisite magic bean of V for Vendetta and Children of Men is "with general minor advances in technology, this is our near future, and it's fucked up." Frankly, The Truman Show shouldn't be there, it should be somewhere else...but "fantasy universe" is the closest alternative, and that doesn't seem right either.

A fantasy universe is just a fantasy universe, an invented universe, but similar physically to our own. A Wonderland is a universe with an abundance of rules that don't apply to our universe. It's a subtle line, subject to opinion, on where the distinction lies.

And Moby Dick is an alien as much as Edward Cullen is an alien, just a magical not-human. Probably could have found a better term.

For the purposes of seeing how I was thinking, replace "magic" with "does not exist this way."

3,993

(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Welp, I did it. This is a first run at organizing information, depending on if I do anything more with this I might tweak categories and presentation.

A lot of movies will have a bean that applies, or correlates, to multiple categories. I listed movies under the category that they most fundamentally "need," subject to debate, but I had to start somewhere.

So, the fundamental requirements of a movie's magic bean decide where it falls in the general category and subcategory, and the related bean-qualities are linked by color coded lines.

I've left out "Wonderland" movies (Riddick, Scott Pilgrim, Hitchhiker's Guide and Nightmare) and "Muggle" movies, IE movies without magic. Brian suggested there could be a fifth main-category, which is "magic coincidence." That would fit the currently unlisted movies Pulp Fiction, Die Hard, and Silence of the Lambs.

The remaining unlisted "Muggle" movies are Mulholland Drive, Karate Kid, Reservoir Dogs, Chinatown, Dr. Strangelove, Master and Commander, The Hurt Locker, Titanic, Team America, Full Metal Jacket, Apollo 13, and Seven.


Click to enlarge.


http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/852/beanschartsmall.jpg

3,994

(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

You know, it'd be interesting to do a massive XKCD style flowchart doing sets of magic beans, and then subsets, and then subsets, and then subsets, until you arrive at basically any movie you can think of.

I think I might get crazy and try that.

3,995

(207 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Can Heironymus Merkin Ever Forget Mercy Humppe and Find True Happiness?

Boom, baby.

Incoming Swarm of Carcass Thiefs

3,996

(207 replies, posted in Off Topic)

fcw wrote:

That's no synonym, that's a homophone.

I was gonna say "actually that's a homonym," but apparently they have generally the same meaning. Huh.

THERE. A SYNONYM. SUCK ON THAT.





EDIT: And holy shit, is Dictionary.com breaking my head with this shit.

Dictionary.com wrote:

Homonym, homophone,  and homograph  designate words that are identical to other words in spelling or pronunciation, or both, while differing from them in meaning and usually in origin. Homophones  are words that sound alike, whether or not they are spelled differently. The words pear  “fruit,” pare  “cut off,” and pair  “two of a kind” are homophones  that are different in spelling; bear  “carry; support” and bear  “animal” are homophones  that are spelled alike. Homographs  are words that are spelled identically but may or may not share a pronunciation. Spruce  “tree” and spruce  “neat” are homographs,  but so are row [roh]  Show IPA  “line” and row [rou]  “fight” as well as sewer [soo-er]  “conduit for waste” and sewer [soh-er]  “person who sews.” Homonyms  are, in the strictest sense, both homophones  and homographs,  alike in spelling and  pronunciation, as the two forms bear. Homonym,  however, is used more frequently than homophone,  a technical term, when referring to words with the same pronunciation without regard to spelling. Homonym  is also used as a synonym of homograph.  Thus, it has taken on a broader scope than either of the other two terms and is often the term of choice in a nontechnical context.

3,997

(30 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Can I take the Matrix Sequels as one, and then option it off to Mike for one dollar? I have no strong opinion on this one, and I'm sure there's something else he'd love to do, so he can have two. Additionally, he'd knock it out of the park and I want to see those/that movie.

I'd expect the muzzle smoke to move about twice as fast, but even as is, it's a solid fake. Well done.

3,999

(1,019 replies, posted in Episodes)

The one where they replaced E.T. with a kazoo.

4,000

(1,019 replies, posted in Episodes)

Whichever one we have. Gonna have to rent it, so, more like whichever one they have.