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...well I guess that's another item to be added to the "women must be broken to be strong" and "rape to move male characters forward" lists.
Would it "move only the male characters forward" if it was Jane instead of Inara?
Jane sees Inara shoot up, steals her stash and takes the drug himself for whatever reason. Then Reavers attack and capture Jane. The rest of the crew go after them, storm their ship and find Jane barely alive, surrounded by corpses.
Mal: You killed them all Jane: (staring at the floor)...yes.....I killed them
Then he and Inara share a look because only she knows the truth.
Who gets character development points in that scenario?
I guess it's a good thing Joss didn't get to make that Inara gangrape episode of Firefly then...
Somehow I have never heard of this. Should I ask for elaboration or let it be?
Jen wrote:
The fact that full frontal female nudity is not even particularly surprising when it shows up in films or TV shows while full frontal male is is another interesting split how genders are viewed.
That's because naked women are universally nicer to look at than men
As for female characters having their agency taken away, let's talk about the mess with Babs and Steph Brown happening over at DC.
Go on, what mess?
There's more to read about this if you want to dig around the interwebs for it, but here's your summary:
Dan Didio refuses to allow any of the DC writers to use Steph Brown or Cass Cain. But Cass and Steph aren’t just not allowed to be Batgirl, they’re not allowed to exist at all. He said it's because Babs is "more iconic" than the other two but a) Babs was added only after he ordered the removal of Steph and b) that's still no excuse to remove Steph from her well-received position as Spoiler AND not let her be a Robin anymore.
That falls more into shitty writing and bad decision making than sexism. Steph was awesome as Batgirl (she slapped Batman, if that's not empowering then I don't know what is ) and Barbara was much more interesting as Oracle. Now that she's back as Batgirl I'm gonna have to start hating her again.
I'm staying out of this argument for the most part, because I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. I tend to swing towards Brian, but I'm being persuaded. But I'll enter the fray to respond to this.
WHAT IN THE WHAT.
Did you miss the part about the bleeding chairs and all? I can't even remember that movie and my brain is working hard to bury the images I can recall in some dark corner of my mind. I didn't reflect on the sexism while watching because I was too busy being overwhelmed with the amount of stupid I was being bombarded with. There's no reason to get all worked up over this because I'm not defending that movie in any way.
the immediate example that comes to mind is Catwoman in both the New 52 books and the 2004 film.
I don't think the Catwoman movie was sexist. Although I've missed most of it because my eyes, ears and the empty chair beside me were bleeding each time a new frame appeared onscreen.
Allison wrote:
As for female characters having their agency taken away, let's talk about the mess with Babs and Steph Brown happening over at DC.
Wonder how many hanging leg raises he had to do to get those abs.
Email this guy and ask
Imho there's nothing wrong with comics being like that. That's what they're for. They show perfect 'people' with impossible physiques and godlike abilities.
'The n-word'? Seriously? I get that you may want to edit the word out of the commentary for the sake of getting sponsorship of any kind but you can't even write it on the board? Are there rules against it or something?
Anyway, even if I'm wrong and she's not in pain and not limping, I don't see anything wrong with the way she moves in this film. Who says spies have to move in a certain way?
Not spies specifically but people with 20+ years of training move differently than people without any training at all. Your body is conditioned to handle physical strain, it moves its own weight differently, the movement is very dynamic. If you can't see it then that's great because you'll enjoy the movie more. It's just something that stands out for me. I guess I pay extra attention to those things, force of habit... or maybe it's all in my head
avatar wrote:
Anne Hathaway's Catwoman takes out hardened mercenaries wearing stilettos
But your reasoning for that doesn't hold up giving the example you used. She has a hurt leg when she is running from the Hulk, she is 'limp-running' because she is in pain. .
No. Watch it again. She stumbles because she's putting her gun in the holster. She's not limping before or after that.
But seriously though. Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive?
Because she's supposed to be a super ninja warrior agent spy kind of gal who's been in training since she was a child. People with that kind of background handle themselves differently than regular folk. I want to see that in her performance. That doesn't mean she can't be feminine but when facing danger I want to see that this girl is indeed an elite spy and not a librarian.
This is not how you run when a killing machine is chasing you.
Here's an example from IM2 (mute the awful C64 beat):
Watch the scene where she gets out of the car and stops. Does she look like she's about to beat the shit out of some thugs or yell at Happy for forgetting to take the dog to the vet?
Scarlett Johannson talks like a supersecret spy, but moves like a girl. Cobie Smoulders (Maria Hill) moves like a supersecret agent, but talks like aunt Robin from HIMYM. It's annoying. There's also a shot during the final battle where Thor is spinning his hammer, getting ready to 'fly' and zap the aliens with thunder. The camera pans left and Scarlett is just standing there looking past the camera trying really hard to look badass for no reason. She's trying so hard to keep the same expression that you can see her face muscles twitching.
) and Barbara was much more interesting as Oracle. Now that she's back as Batgirl I'm gonna have to start hating her again.
