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I should state for the record that I've been nuts about Superman since I was a child. I cherish the character and the source material, so I'm bound to be tough to please.

It's funny, then, that none of my problems with MoS stem from fanboy nit-picking. (In fact, I enjoyed nearly all the film's departures from canon. Altering the details of Clark's childhood and relationship with his parents—well done. Making Lois a Celtic-looking strawberry blonde instead of a sleek brunette—great idea, why not.)

My bottom-line reaction was: Impressed by the inspired twists put on an origin story we all know, but otherwise I was bored. Lots and lots of shit blew the fuck up, and I was bored.

Other random (and highly biased) reactions I had:

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* Some lines of dialogue were so weird I couldn't help but laugh. E.g., when Faora-Ul (Zod's wife and henchwoman) is fighting Superman, she tells him (quoting from memory) "The fact that you have a moral sense and we don’t means we have an evolutionary advantage...” But is not the case that Zod & co. do show a moral "sense" in the film? The first thing Zod does in the film is overthrow the Kryptonian legislators in power, basically telling them that Krypton will no longer live under their unfair, misguided rules. I don't know—that's kind of a moral argument, more or less. Likewise, when Zod captures Superman, Zod says he's "haunted" by the fact that he killed Jor-El. I'm not sure in what way someone without any moral sense whatsoever is "haunted" by any misdeed he's committed. But Chris Nolan was in on this film, let's remember, so someone's got to be haunted by something.

* I liked when Clark destroyed that mean guy's truck. If the guy's semi truck had the Budweiser logo on it, Clark could have crushed it like a beer can. You know, so long as we're doing wall-to-wall product placement, might as well.

* Richard Schiff and Christopher Meloni should be in everything.

* Let’s have a sexy little first-kiss makeout session while the fresh ruins of a major metropolitan area smolder all around us. Yes, Lois, it is all down hill after a first kiss. And it's already downhill for the thousands of human beings who surely perished moments ago from the intergalactic warfare that toppled every building in sight. Yep, this is the perfect setting for a first smooch. Is it me, or was them kissing, there, at that moment, just plain perverse? (It's like in Team America, when the characters are talking about their love lives and who "has feelings" for whom while they are literally shooting missiles and blowing up terrorists.)

P.S., The little boy with a Superman t-shirt who sat next to us seemed to doze off at one point, and then Hans Zimmer's balls-to-the-wall drum orchestra woke the kid up. It was adorable.

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I'm not an artist and have positively no sense of design, but Silence of the Lambs and Jaws seem to me to be downright outstanding, each for different reasons. (Many editions of Benchley's book use the same basic image  on the cover; not sure whether it was used on the book first or was created for the film.)

I always admired The Exorcist's original poster:

http://www.impawards.com/1973/posters/exorcist.jpg

It seems like it just takes a still from the film, but it's one of the prettiest shots. In Friedkin's recent book, I believe I recall him saying that he blocked off a whole day (well, a whole night anyway) of shooting so they could get that shot; there's more to it than meets the eye, and he felt it was important.

It occurs to me that I actually don't know a lot about the approach to poster design. It seems like these days the ones that are really good are really good, and the ones that are clunkers almost make me think I could have done better. (The poster for a horrible recent film called One for the Money is simply Katie Heigl wearing tight jeans. It's not a movie poster. It's a poster for how taut her ass is. Wait, actually, I'm okay with that poster. Carry on.)

Seems like good posters tend to stick in the mind. I'm not sure how that effect gets achieved, actually, but I can tell you that I don't know what the poster looks like for some of my favorite movies ever, whereas I'll never forget ones from movies that were horrible-but-nonetheless-had-cool-posters. Also it's cool when a poster can be evocative before you've seen the film, and then take on a whole new resonance or meaning after you've seen the film. (Silence of the Lambs and Cabin in the Woods are like that.)

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Yeah, I feel like part of the reason we sometimes see such overreaching is, frankly, it's something that will tend to happen anytime someone makes umbrage-taking their occupation. Just to be clear: I'm not lamenting people doing that; it's a kind of media criticism, and I think that's generally a good thing. Moreover, I share the concern about presentations of race in film and racial disparities in casting. It warrants serious discussion, and filmmakers and audiences should think hard about it. I'm just pointing out that when you become a full-time watchdog for things that are offensive, being in that position of constant vigilance can actually lead you to misread things sometimes, to miss the forest for the trees. Someone who watches films actively looking for content that would be offensive to [insert group] will inevitably overstate the case here and there, "spot" things that are innocent or (as in the case of Cloud Atlas) misread what the artist is actually doing and why. If I did that kind of work, I doubt I would have a perfect batting average.

The other thing is the sheer volume of "race-bending" in Cloud Atlas. Imagine you're someone whose whole job is to call-out race-bending in movies and analyze the liabilities of it. Even if you comprehend perfectly why it's artistically justified in CA, you're still going to write a huge piece about the film because the bending is wall-to-wall. It's like, if everyone knows me as the guy who spots dwarves in movies, when The Wizard of Oz comes out, I gotta say something.

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I can appreciate that example because Anime movies are one of my own blind spots. I find that the people who enjoy them seem to "get" something I'm not getting, as if they have a set of categories I don't have, probably because I'm just woefully uneducated about the artform.

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AshDigital wrote:

Great episode! Love, love that movie.

I've liked the phrase "race bending" when actors play other ethnic groups than their own. So when I looked it up listening to the commentary I found this:

http://www.racebending.com/v4/

And boy do they have a word or two to say about Cloud Atlas.

http://www.racebending.com/v4/?s=Cloud+Atlas

p.s. I don't think I like that phrase anymore.

I'm liking it less now myself.

I liked what Dorkman said about it during the episode. It does seem like these criticisms tend to come from people who are reacting to the general idea of actors being made-up to portray characters of another ethnicity. The analysis linked above is by someone who clearly paid close attention to the film but still managed to sell short the motivations for why the choice was made. The film's conceit of reincarnation—the whole idea of the actors playing "souls, not characters"—and how all that funnels into the story's themes really does amount to a special case. Given what the film's trying to do, all the make-up jobs are necessary. I don't see a viable workaround. If the actors aren't made-up to play all those characters, you don't have the same movie. Obviously people are free reject that premise and say that the choice was not justified. But even still, Cloud Atlas shouldn't get tossed into the same bucket as Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Not the same ballpark.

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Tomahawk wrote:

Man of Steel: Difficult to say. Different release dates globally.

Ah yes. The panelists are scattered all over the globe, yet able to converse with ease. I love you Internet, you magnificent bastard.

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Hey you guys have been doing a great job on these. As a recent GoT convert, I can't wait to get this next episode.

Will the episode after that be about Man of Steel, do you think?

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I guess in a post-Room 237 world there's slightly less reason to doubt that it's a real trailer. When I watched 237, I kept wondering if it was itself some kind of satire or lampooning of something or other; I kept waiting for that other shoe to drop. But, as people have said, the movie essentially just says "Yeah, so, you know... some people think these things. Kthnxbye."

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FYI:

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but someone made a trailer that seems to be some kind of parody or takeoff on "Room 237"—except that it uses "Ghostbusters" as its inspiration. The video is here, and here's a post in which a writer at Slate.com scratches his head.

Such are the benefits of having a Google Alert for "Ghostbusters," ladies and gentlemen.

Not sure how I feel about the actual trailer there. On the one hand, "Room 237"-type conspiracy theorizing is ripe for parody. On the other hand, it might be impossible to parody that stuff. Someone thinks the subtleties of the Overlook Hotel's decor amount to clear evidence that Kubrick faked the Apollo 11 mission. And your job is to make something more absurd than that. Best of luck.

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Snowflake wrote:

Rob wrote:
CM is one of those guys that seems to love his own taste more than he loves movies.

Doesn't everyone?

Oh sure, there's absolutely a sense in which that's true. Like I say, that describes some of the best critics. It's a fine line, I guess, between loving movies and loving what it is that you, personally, love about movies.

I was being more sarcastic than clear. What I was driving at was, just as each person has different taste in movies, each person also has a different taste in movie criticism. We all value, respect, and are entertained by different things in criticism. Thus I don't begrudge anyone for liking CM, just as I don't begrudge someone who thinks "27 Dresses" is the best movie of all time. There's plenty of critics I think are great who are strident, aggressive, and mostly unwilling to appreciate a film that ventures slightly outside the boundaries of their own narrow aesthetic predilections. What I tend to value in a critic—and this is not to say someone else must value this; it's merely what I value—is curiosity and a willingness to be affected, altered, by a movie in a way that's maybe different from the way he normally likes to be affected by a movie. By curiosity, I just mean that after saying "I didn't like this choice made by X-filmmaker because it does not do this" the critic tries to understand the choice and why it was made, what it's trying to achieve—even if that artistic goal is one he finds objectionable. Since that's my taste, I would enjoy CM's work more if I detected more of these elements in it. That's all I mean. His rhetorical style—the swearing, the open contempt for choices that don't meet his standards—doesn't bother me in the least. Swearing and contemptuousness are what he and I have in common.

Yup, very cool. Turner Classic Movies shows those Master Class collaboration programs every once in a while. Zemeckis did one with Don Burgess, too.

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Syl wrote:

To me CM makes it clear enough where his point of interest is situated, and his reviews primarily were triggered by a feeling of personal disappointment, because a movie failed to work in the aspects that are most dear to him. As is made clear enough in his 2001 commentary, he will not even try to appreciate other virtues of a movie, that fails to accomodate him in the aspects he seeks in movies.

For me, as the rules are clearly stated, i wont bother consulting him on any movie i know he will not appreciate in the first place. But he has a place in my bookmarks for his thoughts on movies I think are in his playing field.

Yes, I think that's the attitude one has to have when it comes to figures like CM. I'd even say CM represents a particular genre of criticism—I'll label it "Manic Provocateurism" for conversation's sake. Whatever one calls it, it's a very specific approach to discussing movies. (Actually, his tone is that of someone who expects that his opinion should end the discussion rather than contribute to it, but hey, we could say the same about a lot of critics. Pauline Kael.)

I think part of the reason someone like CM drives people crazy is they don't fully appreciate what you described—that CM comes at movies in a fundamentally different way. When I watch his reviews, I feel like our differences of opinion amount to something more like a language barrier. If I'm speaking Farsi and he's speaking Klingon, his utterances will make no sense to me, and vice-versa—but, both of us would think "Well, clearly all that gibberish makes sense to him... too bad we'll never be able to have a real conversation." 

CM's approach simply seems to ask different questions and has next-to-zero tolerance for filmmakers who make choices other than the ones he would have made. Which I'm fine with, provided there's some curiosity to go with it. But as you indicate, he doesn't really try to appreciate something that doesn't conform to his personal predilections. CM is one of those guys that seems to love his own taste more than he loves movies. Again, I concede that this describes a lot of big-name critics as well.

Invid wrote:
bullet3 wrote:

I'm also not generally a fan of these modernized adaptations with original text, it always feels like a lazy thing to try to modernize for today's audiences, all it does is pull you out of the story more because the dialogue doesn't fit. A proper adaptation set in the original time-period works better because it uses the language to it's benefit, it makes it feel more authentic.

As is often the case, seeing it done badly can turn you off the whole concept smile I enjoy productions setting Shakespeare somewhere else, when done well. One of the early Shakespeare In The Park productions I saw in Buffalo as a kid had them set McBeth in a Latin American country, with McBeth as a General. The play opened with an army jeep pulling up on stage. Two years ago, they did an all female version of the same play. Very good, with my sister's old high school friend getting the best writeup in the paper.

The Shakespeareheads I know tend to straddle both attitudes. "Updating"/altering Shakespeare plays is always tricky thing. So part of me shares bullet's reservations—if it ain't broke, why mess with it? At the same time, people who stage these things sometimes point out that it's fundamentally impossible to present Shakespeare's plays exactly as he envisioned them to modern audiences. (When you get down to it, using electricity and microphones in a production drastically alters the way in which WS wanted his work to be experienced.) Many well-regarded Shakespearean actors—Orson Welles, Claire Bloom, Derek Jacobi, Branaugh—have played in "updated" productions. Thee rationale is often that these plays are "timeless," and so getting the language and the characters right is more important than Elizabethan set-dressing and costumes. That makes sense to me, however, I can't help being just a bit nervous whenever I hear about someone "modernizing" Richard III or whatever. But yeah, the good ones are good, the bad, bad.

Rather than smear on Olivier-style blackface, Patrick Stewart once played Othello as a white character, with the rest of the cast being black actors. I never saw it, but it got decent reviews.

It was the best movie adaptation of a Shakespeare play I've seen in years, and I think I've seen most of the major ones (even the weird, wild Julius Caesar film that came out of Italy last year). I think the spontaneous, cavalier way Whedon went about it—shooting in a dozen or so days, on a shoestring budget, in his house, with his friends—is, in a sense, similar to the cavalier, slapdash way plays were sometimes staged in Shakespeare's time. I fucking loved it. For the record, I was not a Whedon superfan going into this film (haven't seen everything he's done, but I've seen the 'major works'; always thought he was pretty solid and quite smart, just never worshipped the guy), but this film has made me a superfan. It's the coolest thing he's done that I've seen, and yes I've seen Firefly. OK, ok, take it easy—the coolest thing this side of Firefly.

But I can see why you found it challenging to follow, Teague. At the end of the day, it's still a Shakespeare play, which means it was not written for us—and Whedon didn't alter the Elizabethan language whatsoever (from what I could detect). Some people recommend that people shouldn't worry about spoilers when it comes to Shakespeare plays—i.e., they suggest simply reading the play or its plot summary beforehand, and that this makes seeing a production way more enjoyable. That's been my experience as well. I think it's helpful to read a plot summary for each of the play's acts, and try to know who the major characters are ahead of time. When my girlfriend and I went to see a production of The Tempest, which see had not read or seen before, she decided to read everything except the last act; that way she could follow the play easier but still be surprised by the story's ending.

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Hansen wrote:

Next, I'm reading Slaughterhouse 5 and maybe Jurassic Park. Maybe.

Both of those are a lot of fun. Pity that the Slaughterhouse Five movie didn't do Vonnegut's book justice. It was made by a top-notch director—same guy who did Butch Cassidy and The Sting—but it never comes close to doing what the book does.

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Upstream Color is pretty wild. For me, it felt like riding the Tilt-A-Whirl. The whole time I'm sitting there saying "This is kind of insane. Am I supposed to be enjoying this?" Then when it's over I say "Yes, totally insane. I didn't realize it, but that actually was me enjoying myself back there."

The first 15-20 minutes are really quite well done—beautiful filmmaking on all fronts. The film never fully regains the sense of urgency it had during that opening stretch, which was my only major criticism of it (other than Carruth as a leading man).

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TechNoir wrote:

2. Shot on film, with anamorphic lenses. Not to diss digital cameras but the more I get into the minutia of photography and the look of film, this movie is probably going to be pure eyeporn.

3. Zimmer is scoring. I know whta he is capable of so I always have hopes that he will make something more than the repetetive stuff of recent years.

I'm looking forward that those aspects, too. Also, I think Amy Adams is a good choice for Lois.

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Dorkman wrote:

Yeah, when it comes to marketing American film, Poland is... well, they're something special.

Ha! I actually like The Fatal Attraction poster a lot, actually.

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I have to say, I think it looks really cool. The play really does have a high-spirited sassiness that is similar to a lot of Whedon's own writing.

Apparently Whedon shot it entirely at his own house. Which is one way to increase your property value.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

Alright you guys have officially got me interested. Short list for the absolute newbie to Korean cinema (Aka me)?

I think auralstimulation mentioned some good ones above—Mother and The Host, plus Oldboy, which is part of the Park Chan-wook "Vengeance" trilogy (Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, Oldboy, and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance). People really like Oldboy a lot. The special edition DVD I have of it is tremendous: it has three discs, multiple commentaries, booklets, physical pieces of film, and other detritus related to the movie. It comes in a big cookie tin.

I received the soundtrack album as a gift. Many of those who are not positive on the movie will probably nonetheless enjoy Greenwood's music. It's so unlike the typical film score. Sometimes when I clean my house, I throw on the soundtrack CD, and it's great. It even has the full audio of that young actress who sings "Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree (With Anyone Else But Me)."

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Faldor wrote:

Would you guys be interested in doing an episode on behind the scenes docs like Hearts of Darkness ? What makes the good ones stand out from the crowd?

Oh man, that would be a great topic.

The official soundtrack for the film only contains four of Zimmer's compositions, which is unforgivable—fortunately, professional bootlegs of the entire score can be found with some digging.

I still have the original soundtrack CD, purchased when the film was in its initial theatrical run. They totally crafted the soundtrack album as an Elton John vehicle, but you're right about Zimmer's score. Incredible. I know absolutely nothing about music, and even I can tell how singular that score is. For some reason, I feel like a powerful score adds more to an animated film than it does to a live-action film.

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Well, I guess the problem is that the actual person isn't all that interesting to begin with. "He had a failed music career, but TWIST! He's actually a nice guy!" There's not much more to Rodriguez than that.

Yeah, you could sense the filmmakers struggling with the fact that his story was way more compelling than his personality. Given the way the film builds up his legend for us before he actually appears, it would be tough for anyone to live up to that hype. Still, it's surprising that the guy didn't have more to say. The first half of the film presents details about his early career, how some record company screwed him, and other stuff, but then when he's finally right there, in the flesh, we don't hear him comment about most of those details. I actually liked the film, but it's peculiar in that way.

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Cool idea, good discussion, too.

For me, the biggest distinction between documentary film and journalism does have to do with ethics and expectations. A hard-news journalist has ethical obligations that are much more well defined; and as a consumer of journalism I thus have a whole slew of expectations that modify how I engage the information. Also, maybe it's overly cute to put it this way, but hard-news journalism is, at its core, telling the unadorned facts of a story (and doing so in a certain order), whereas documentary film is storytelling. A good journalist needs a feel for narrative, no question, but storytelling is something else entirely. 

And yeah, Steve James' Stevie is great. It's a good example of the filmmaker being part of the story without it being obnoxious. I think it has to do with the filmmaker's personality. Steve James just seems like this earnest, non-douchey, mellow guy—not someone who's looking for any excuse at all to elbow his way on camera.