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So this short is pretty much amazing.

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Jp12x wrote:

Great comment about Sci-fi needing story. Every time I hear someone call 'super-hero' a genre I think the same. A story with super-heroes can also be a mystery just as a Sci-fi in space can also be horror. I think Sci-fi is more setting than genre.

I've been banging that drum for years.

Genre: Action/Adventure, Horror, Drama, Comedy, Mystery, etc...
Settings: Super-Hero, Sci-Fi, Western, Period, Noir, etc...

While it's true that the setting helps shape the plot and can give each genre it's own flair, fundamentally the storytelling genre stands separate.

As for the 2nd episode of the new Who...I thought it was ok, and definitely a step in the right direction.

The opening segment felt like a Eccelston/Tennant episode in all the right ways. It wasn't perfect, but it was enjoyable. The "smaller on the outside" gag literally made me laugh out loud...something I'm not sure I did once in the entire Smith run (I'm not counting Tennant's jokes in the special).

The rest of the episode was ok. Tone was good, Capaldi was good, resolution was a bit nonsensical but less so than most of the last few seasons.

The Doctor undid a bolt with the sonic screwdriver, which was a little annoying...but I guess that ship sailed long ago.

Clara was a bit better in spurts here, though the aforementioned "bang on things" solution was dumb and her little "what did we learn" lecture to the Doctor grated me to no end. I think they are actually headed to making her an actual person, which would be nice if it weren't for the fact that she's not been that for so long and leaving soon. I really think they should have just written her off somehow and started with a fresh companion. It's thinking way to low of the audience to believe that you need the companion there to bridge the gap and make them understand it's the same Doctor (which I don't think they've done especially well with anyways).

I'm starting to dig the "Missy" mystery, and I'm going to toss out the theory that it's future Clara who's turned evil and obsessed with the Doctor, attempting to work some plan where they (her and the Smith version) can end up together forever. That has the potential to be a lot of fun...though admittedly I don't actually think that's the answer.

I have more thoughts...but lunch is over and I have a meeting to get to.

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sellew wrote:

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Jesus God, that was awful.  Let's get the good out of the way first.  Two words:  Peter Capaldi.  He's very good, and the only good thing about it. 

Christ, where to start?  Why was this episode 80 minutes long?  Virtually nothing happens of any relevance until about an hour into it.  It's like they wrote the climactic third act scene between the Doctor and the control robot, and then just forgot to write the rest of it until production started, so they just filled the rest of the running time with a load of random crap that they quasi-improvised on these Victorian sets that they'd built.  None of it goes anywhere and none of it has any real bearing on the story.

And when you've got a new Doctor, why set the story with these three other characters that we've seen before?  It's just taking screen time away from getting to understand the new Doctor and actually having a story.  I'm not super familiar with them, having only seen about 2/3s of the David Tennant/Matt Smith episodes, and I think the ones with these guys I might have frequently skipped because IMDB said the episodes were bad, so I guess that's partly my fault.  But they're not really introduced well.  And they don't seem to have any story function in terms of helping us understand the Doctor any better or having any relation/perspective that's different from Clara. 

And the Sontaran guy in particular kept making me think of Robert Reed's memo about the Brady Bunch. It's a complete mess in terms of genre, not only between drama and comedy but within different genres of comedy as well.  Tonally we seem to be going in that darker direction that was promised, but then there's this slapstick stuff.  Exactly how much 'realism' is there supposed to be in this world, once we allow for the "there's aliens and time travel" magic bean?  Nothing feels right about the way that the various 'ordinary people' or police, for example, are reacting to the fantastical things that are happening.  And what the heck is happening at the very, very end?

And do not even start me about the way in which, in the final scene, Clara begins to accept that the new Doctor is actually her Doctor.  It's an absolute, complete fucking cop out.  Like the most egregious example you could construct of violating "show, don't tell".  Clara can't come to realize this by things like, say, the choices the Doctor makes or dialogue or any of that traditionally storytelling stuff.  We need the proverbial gorilla to come out of fucking nowhere.  Maybe it was somehow previously set up somewhere and I missed it, but that does not make it any better. 

Finally, for some reason I've never been quite so struck by the awfulness of the music before.  It's unbelievably intrusive and attention seeking.  Every five seconds we get bludgeoned over the head so that we know that Something Important is happening, people are running down the street, whatever.  And even the more mellow things still are really cliched (music box-y stuff to create an unsettling atmosphere, etc.)

I'd be inclined to give it some time to find its feet, if it weren't for the fact that the only 'new' part of it seems to be the only thing that's good.  Peter Capaldi seems to have hit the ground running.  He's not the problem.  The problem is the writer/showrunner that's been involved with the show for like three years already, and that does not bode well.

Whoof.

Firstly, agreed that Capaldi was by far the best part of this episode.

Regarding the rest of the stuff...I totally agree, but would note that the episode itself is still essentially being written like a Smith episode (ie "terrible"). The way it looks and feels, the dialog and the (all over the place) tone, the poor character work and the lack of a coherent story. It's all very Smith-era.

It's going to take a few episodes for the writers/producers to catch up with things and make the show itself mesh well with Capaldi's rendition of The Doctor. I'm of the mind that the sooner they get rid of Clara, the better, as she's the last real direct tie with the previous reincarnation.

Specifically you mention the introductions of the other Doctors...and I would point out this:

Eccleston came from a Blank State.
Tennant came from Eccleston's wonderfully intense PTSD Doctor.
Smith came from Tennat's super fun and well balanced Doctor.
Capadli is coming from Smith's bumbling, childish, fairy-tale Doctor.

I actually would have been shocked (and extremely impressed) if the show seamlessly transitioned coming from that into a fully formed Capaldi-suited episode. That's not saying it's not possible...just that it would have been quite a feat, considering what they've been doing for years and that the 2nd most important character (Clara) was completely developed within the past iteration.

Amusingly, I think that's why Capaldi felt so jarringly separate from the rest of the episode -- and why I have hope that once they catch up to him we could finally get back to some really good Who.

LatinAlice wrote:

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it strikes me as completely in character for the Eleventh Doctor to call to future Clara. Whether it is enough to motivate Clara's sudden acceptance of the new Doctor...I say no. And, unfortunately, it undermines her character.

You lost me with the assumption that Clara has an actual character which could be undermined.

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Giving a listen now...and we just came up on the whole "you can't go from hubble orbit to ISS orbit" issue.

I read an interview with Cuaron in which he stated that after the first draft was complete, he sent it to a bunch of physicists for technical support and that was one of the biggest issues they found. They did provide him with a way to explain how to make it work, and he did write a segment which would have addressed it to make it more realistic (he didn't state how in that interview).

Ultimately it took a 10-15 min segment to make it fit and he felt it messed up the pacing and other elements. So in the end it was one of those moments where he said "We could make it work, but it would have compromised the storytelling too much."

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So a friend of mine needs a Demo Reel and I agreed to throw one together for them. They're looking for an acting reel, wanting to use it for more indy film work. I've only got one indy feature, a student short, and possibly a play (if they can find the dvd from years ago, but I may not use it anyways).

However, it's been quite a while since I've cobbled a Demo Reel together. I'm sure I'm rusty and I'm having a bit of trouble getting back into the swing of things.

Can you guys toss out some ideas, pointers, basic rules that I should be reminded of?

Y'alls help would be greatly appreciated by me and by my friend.

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Part 2 of this Hitchens' best of (part 1 was posted early in this thread) seems to touch on several subjects brought up in the last few pages of this thread...

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

If you want a show with tight plotting and clever construction, where every seemingly insignificant detail ties into the larger plot and is a setup for something that happens later on...you're better off watching any given episode of Arrested Development. That show does in 22 minutes what Doctor Who couldn't handle in a whole season. DW is goofy sci-fi fun, but its boundless creativity has never really extended to concluding larger arcs.

I would think that tight plotting and clever construction would be something we'd want from ALL shows.

Even pulling the bar down some, I think wanting plots that aren't totally non-nonsensical and cheap, over the top stakes-raising isn't asking too much.

I know it's possible. I even know it's possible in the modern run of Doctor Who. I know this, because they at least maintained some semblance of discipline & restraint before Smith's series.

fireproof78 wrote:

The audience does not care about continuity if they are told a good story (I am probably misquoting here, but I could not find the original so take this for what it is worth.

My issues aren't rooted in continuity problems as it relates to the old Who, or even the other Modern Who, or even the other Smith Who (though let's not pretend that an utter disregard for show continuity isn't exactly a good thing). I'm comfortable with some continuity breaking in a show about time travel that's had 800 episodes, spanning over 50 years. Yeah, that fine.

My issues are with story. I'd argue that the Xmas episode and much of the over-arching plot(s) during Smith's run is simply a bad stories, with cheap storytelling, presented with extra bluster, a breakneck pace, and lots of self congratulation about how cool it was...all in hopes that the audience would never realize how flimsy everything about it actually was.

Maybe I'm being overly harsh? Maybe.

I'm just a little tired of seeing an amazing concept show, that I genuinely enjoy, jump the tracks and dive off into a ravine while everyone on board sits around telling me what a clever shortcut the conductor just found.

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Holden wrote:
Faldor wrote:

So if Matt Smith played...

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the last Doctor
How come in season when
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the astronaut shot him he had regeneration energy?

SEASON SIX ENDING AHOY:

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He didn't. The Teselecta faked it so River would assume he was regenerating.

REAL SEASON SIX ENDING AHOY:

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After painting themselves into a corner, the writers made up some bullshit in order to wipe away an illogical gordian knot of a plot line.

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Invid wrote:

All I want, with regard to Doctor Who, is the end of season long story arcs. Do two or three episode stories, sure, the equivalent of a 4 or 6 part classic story, but enough with having it all mean something.

I still think a balance of the procedural "adventure of the week" and a long term "character story arc" is something that's both difficult to pull off and immensely rewarding for the viewer, dramatically speaking.

Plus, Doctor Who is tailor made for that sort of thing, with the regeneration magic bean creating an artificial end point to "The Doctor" that is independent to the show's continuation.

They whiffed badly on Smith's run...but I hope they don't give up entirely on the idea of a long-term path/journey that the Doctor will take, ending in his regeneration.

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Welp...might as well copy/paste my FB comment on the Xmas special:

I'd label my reaction more than disappointing -- rather up there around "tiresome". Even ignoring the in-episode things that made me go "wait, what? That's dumb." it was a kitchen-sink style story to try and tie up the vast amount of convoluted plot turns of the last several years. To me it felt more like they were desperately trying explain away all the nonsense before Capaldi arrived rather than the culmination of some sort of master story arc for Smith.

On that note, I second the assessment that Smith's run has been a hot mess of macguffin after macguffin. I like Matt Smith, but I loathe the silly/immature/selfish/bumbling/whiny/fool of a Doctor he was forced to play. Smith's run had a handful of amazing episodes, and they were almost always when the show decided to treat the Doctor like an actual character, rather than a walking gag-machine.

I'm intrigued by Capaldi and like the idea of him as the Doctor. The thing is, it's not on him at all, I feel. It's on whether the writers/producers of Who decide to take the show back to it's roots as a sci-fi adventure show (well, technically it's roots are an educational kids show, but you know what I mean) instead of the contrived spaceman fairytale they attempted -- and failed, in my opinion -- to pull off with Smith's run.

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Some behind the scenes...

For some reason the embed isn't working.

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Quick bump mention to summarize Gravity's commercial success, which appears to virtually tapped out at the box offices...

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=gravity.htm

Gravity has made a little more than $250 million in the US, and a shade over $650 million worldwide ($70 mil in China alone). It's production budget was approximately $100 million.

This places Gravity 3rd all time in the "disaster" movie category, only trailing Titanic & Independence Day.

It broke the top 100 of All Time Domestic (75) and could slide up a couple of spots when it finally gets pulled completely out of theaters. It's up to 69 All-Time Worldwide in large part to it's strong showing in China.

It absolutely crushed all other Original Science Fiction this year, making 150% more than 2nd place (Pacific Rim) while costing less than any of the other options out there - which also included Oblivion, After Earth, and Elysium.

I'm hoping for a re-release in IMAX once we get closer to award season...

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First full trailer for Transcendence. Seems like there's hope for a more nuanced concept than your typical "AI becomes aware" or "Man puts mind into a machine" story line mash up. Hopefully it doesn't pull any punches and sticks the landing -- the two ways movies like this tend to fail.

Eddie wrote:

I think it was Jackman's best performance to date.

Have you seen The Fountain?

I haven't seen Prisoners, but that's currently my "best Jackman performance" leader.

[EDIT] Ok, avatar...that's hilarious.

1. Gravity
2. Upstream Color
3. The World's End

Saw a handful of other movies that were ok, but nothing that stood out enough to count it as a "top" movie in my book. These include: The Conjuring, Thor 2, RED 2, Into Darkness.

Bonus, a pair of flicks I felt were "meh" and don't really like, but also don't actively disdain: Iron Man 3, The Wolverine.

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Jimmy B wrote:

The Doctor meets Sherlock....

I'm again torn by a fanfic. It starts off so well, but then ends so weak.

Even while I recognized the clips of Sherlock because I've watched the series at least a half-dozen times, for the first couple minutes I honestly wasn't sure if it was fan-made or not. Great job setting it up and editing to make it feel legit and build tension.

Then Sherlock gets in the TARDIS and it all falls apart. I don't even care about the fact that the VFX made their faces look like the baby in Entrade commercials. It got the point across, even if I felt there were ways to edit around it to minimize that particular effect. As long as the point is across, I'm fine with less than perfect effects.

No, it's just that once Sherlock gets in the TARDIS, the dialog turns into the likes of an Ebaum's world sound board crank call (showing my age on that reference). The dialog was disjointed and spent about a minute and a half saying nothing at all. I know it's tricky because you'd like to use direct lines from each character, but there's so much Cumberbatch and Smith dialog to choose from (you don't even need to limit yourself to Sherlock/Who, either) that I can't imagine that it would be impossible to splice together a minute of genuinely interesting banter between those two characters.

...and now I'm contemplating a potential crossover story.

I don't like the idea of the Doctor, particularly Matt Smith's bumbling immature know-it-all version, leading Sherlock around for an adventure. I think it'd be much more interesting to have a situation like in Human Nature / Family of Blood, where the Doctor has transmitted his Time Lord essence into some macguffin that becomes the subject of one of Sherlock's cases. Smith comes to Sherlock because something of his has been stolen and while he doesn't know why, it's immensely important for him to get it back.

Sherlock takes the case of the missing item (let's go with Pocket Watch), much to the surprise of Watson. Sherlock explains that it's not about the watch, but rather he sees something off with Smith himself.

S: Something off. He moves like a person, speaks like a person, looks like a person...
W: Most people do.
S: ...but there's something off. Something missing. It's like he's merely playing a part.
W: So he's trying to con us?
S: I don't think the con is for us, John.
W: Well who's it for then?
S: I think it might be for him.

They hunt down the watch. Steal it back instead of involving the police, as they aren't sure what to make of Smith or the mysteriously strange people they encounter along the way (aliens, obviously). Those that stole the watch come after Sherlock & Watson. Smith becomes the Doctor again, saves the day and our Baker Street heroes. Sherlock is intruiged, Watson is flabergasted, Smith gives us a little rant about how every deed we do impacts the entire universe (validating Sherlock's work) and Bob's your uncle.

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redxavier wrote:

Re: it opening in China.

I'd put money down that someone deliberately changed the cause of the Kessler effect in the movie as a strike on a satellite by a Chinese missile (as happened in real life) to a Russian missile, just so that the movie was more consumable in that massive market.
(And also that their Tiangong station is actually up there and completed, though the film does takes place in a near future when the shuttles are still active beyond STS-135.)

I think the use of Tiangong was just how the story was told -- not really done "for" Chinese audiences. Storytelling-wise, they needed a 3rd place to go, and Tiangong is the only option on the horizon to fit the universe being built (Near Future, STS-157).

I could see using the Russians rather than the Chinese for the missile strike as a way to not offend Chinese moviegoers, but also to avoid the label "political" being tied to the film in any way. Cuaron doesn't shy away from making statements with his films, but it's generally done more so via "theme" rather than singling out a particular country.

On that note...

Gravity opened to a record setting first 6 days in China -- grossing ~$35.5 million. It's expected to continue to do well, and with Japan getting it soon, it's estimated that it could clear a solid $400 mil on the foreign market. This means Gravity will almost certainly break the $650 million barrier worldwide...with a very slight, dark-horse chance at $700 million.

It was already going to land several Technical Achievement awards, but it's almost out-of-nowhere commercial success makes me think Gravity and 12 Years a Slave are going to dominate award season across the board this year.

That would make me happy.

Dorkman wrote:

I've said before that the problem with 3D has been that filmmakers continue to make films the way they do in 2D -- that if there's a validity in the 3D medium, it will require the development of a different cinematic grammar. (If I may toot my own horn, I had a suspicion it would involve longer shots, since the refocusing of eyes and brain between cuts is much of what makes 3D distracting, and I noticed the longer shots in BEOWULF were more successful; but I'd certainly never have dared to think of anything on the order of GRAVITY.) If 3D filmmaking does indeed develop into its own language, GRAVITY may not turn out to speak it fluently, but it's at least the Rosetta stone.

I'll join the tooting my own horn segment by point out that I've been arguing for a while that one of the best ways to imagine "learning" how to do a 3D movie (and particuarly HFR-3D, such as the Hobbit) would be to go back and revisit early filmmaking -- because they are shot more like theater plays. They were done this way more because of technological limitation, but the evolution of editing and camera movements were born from new tech allowing filmmaking to grow from within that 2D medium. Since 3D creates a whole new dynamic, you have to go back to the beginning and start that evolution all over again.

Not to go all film-school junkie on it, but if you go back and watch Citizen Kane -- with it's amazing blocking, slower pacing, and limited camera movements -- you could easily see that film's style being even more pronounced and impactful if it were done in 3D, HFR, or HFR3D. Same goes for a lot of Hitchcock, such as Rear Window or Vertigo. It's easy to imagine those films working very well in 3D. Plus, with 3D's ability to emphasize scale (did you notice how much larger the dinos seemed in Jurassic Park 3D?), imagine something like Metropolis in 3D. The ability to show relative size in 2D is always a bit skewed, where 3D allows the viewer to see the subject really "in" the environment in a better way -- part of why the real scale of space was even more vast in Gravity.

Of course you won't go back and shoot a film exactly like you would have had to in the 40's or 50's -- but they seem like better starting points when thinking about the fundamental design of film than something shot in more modern times.

Technically you could go back even further, looking at films like Metropolis and branching out from there...but I think the first few decades of film making was more about figuring out how to tell a story with moving pictures than it was about the actual art of "film making".

That said, I would actually love it if someone went aaaalllll the way back to scratch. Take and 'on location' set, and just do an entire play in 3D (or HFR3D) allowing the camera to linger around the set during the performance. Cuts would be limited to scene changes. Try to really capture the live, almost voyeuristic, aspect of a theater piece on film...which usually requires all sorts of tricks to convey in a 2D film.

It would require immense planning (blocking, lighting, etc.) and I'm not really sure how the final result would be...but it could be a very interesting experiment.

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Ewing wrote:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTkzNTcxNjcxM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzU4NjQyMQ@@._V1_SY317_CR2,0,214,317_.jpg


I enjoy this movie, and I don't know why.

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bullet3 wrote:

deadline/hollywoodreporter have the budget as 100 mil, and I'm pretty sure that's accurate.

It opens in China on Nov 20'th: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/s … -20-648892

For reference, China has 13000 screens (?!!!!!!), which would explain why every US movie desperately tries to break into that market. Avatar made over 200 mil just in China, so I think Gravity will do at least 100 there.

Yeah, that's now 3-4 places that hit around that $100 mil number, so you're right...that's probably as accurate as we're gonna get.

That China info -- wow.

I think Gravity has 1 more solid weekend in it before it fades. There's nothing coming out this coming weekend that seems poised to compete with it (The Counselor & a Jackass flick). However, the following weekend is Ender's Game and the weekend after that is Thor 2.

Gravity should break $200 million domestically though, which is more than I think anyone would have predicted. If China goes well (and I agree with you this seems like it would be received well there), it could propel it's worldwide take up over $400 million.

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Hey all...there are lots of visual effects artists and filmmakers around these parts. I wanted to pick your brains to see if you could help me with something.

This is a scene from "Bride of Frankenstein". I tried searching the interwebs to see how this scene was shot, but came up empty. So I thought I'd ask y'all if you had any idea how this was done (in 1935), be it deduction or if you can find an article that explains it.

There's a part, when the king escapes and runs behind a teacup that there is some clear black marks along the edges of the cup. Same goes for when he hops over the smoking pipe. But the fact that they are glass jars and you can see Doctor Pretorius' movements through the jars...it just looks incredible, even now.

Thoughts? Is it just insanely meticulous film-negative layering?

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Opening weekend, it made 80% of its gross from 3D screenings, and about 20% from IMAX, as per Variety. BoxOffice.com says that those figures have held pretty consistent for its entire run to date. That's crazy impressive, and it hasn't been seen since Avatar.

Huh...BoxOffice.com seems to have the production budget at ~$145 million, which is much higher than BoxOfficeMojo which lists ~$100 million. I had heard ~$80 million on multiple articles before it came out, and I expect a bit of discrepancy...but that's a pretty big spread.

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Rob wrote:

With these box office numbers, is there any way for the public to know how many people have seen the film in 3-D and/or IMAX 3-D and how many have seen it in standard projection? Strictly curiosity on my part here.

I'm sure that information is somewhere...see DocSub's post.

I've seen it twice on IMAX 3D -- so that's $32 in ticket sales for me. I have standing "want to see it" plans with at least 2 more people, so that's at least one, possibly 2 more showings for me...though those will probably be either 2D or non-IMAX 3D showings.

I also brought 2 friends of mine (who were likely to see it anyways) to an IMAX 3D showing, so there's another $32. They likely would have seen it on a regular 2D screen if I hadn't pushed them, though.

Bullet3 wrote:

After this weekend it's at 280 globally, and hasn't even opened in China yet, where I predict it will be huge. I'll call it right now, I bet it ends up close to 500 mil when all is said and done, maybe even more.

BoxOfficeMojo has it already showing in Hong Kong, currently sitting at about $2 million. Is it intended to go wider in China, and if so...do you have any idea when?

I would love to see it reach up that high. The fact that it looks like it's going to clear $300 million worldwide is just ludicrous. There were already several categories I felt that it would carry when award season rolled around...but the fact that it's now not just a great "achievement" film, but also a surprise commercial success, I can imagine it could really rack up some mantle pieces.

sellew wrote:

3.  Dollhouse is a terrific show whose critical reappraisal is already overdue.  Just about the only major gripe that's out there that I'll accept is that Season 2 is kind of rushed, and the time spent on various people/arcs doesn't feel quite allocated correctly.  (Too much at the beginning of the season, not enough at the end.)

I think the "Doll of the Week" stuff at the beginning of Season 1 works, because it allows you to get comfortable with the universe, and parcels out bits of information (including hints of the gradual "awakening" of Echo) that then start coming together as the season progresses.  People who say that Eliza Dushku is weak or that early on you can't establish a rapport with the main character because she's changing personalities are missing the point.  It's more at the early stage of having a rapport with or empathy for the situation, for precisely that reason, and I think Eliza Dushku actually does a really good job with the little moments that she has to work with.

I'm thinking of like that bit in one of the first episodes where she's coming back from a "romantic engagement" and talking about it with her handler -- how she normally doesn't go for XYZ type of guy (I think she says he's fat), but this guy was really sweet and she really likes him and wants to tell him how she feels, but she's nervous, etc. On the one hand, of course she's been 'programmed' to feel that way, but Eliza Dushku does a really good job of making it feel real. And so, when you hear the line "Are you ready for your treatment", it's kind of sad in a Roy Batty "all these moments will be lost in time" sort of way. It doesn't matter that on one level it was 'engineered'. It's a happy moment in her life and it's going to be taken away from her.

The rest of the acting is uniformly excellent, the twists and turns are generally great, and it actually makes an effort to be about something.  If this were shot in black-and-white, and in French, and shown in art-house theaters in the mid 1960's, people would be all over it.

Ok.

Dollhouse is a brilliant concept for a show, but your defense of Eliza Dushku is off base. She's simply never shown a range to her acting required for that part. She's clearly more comfortable playing a particular type of character (and every person reading this knows immediately what character), and the rest are all weak. She has decent moments, sure, but that's like saying a broken clock is right twice a day.

Also, and maybe this is my "controversial opinion", but Tahmoh Penikett has never impressed me. He's always so stiff and unnatural. I thought he was generic in BSG, uninteresting in Dollhouse, and between him and Dushku, you now have 2 main characters who simply couldn't carry a show.

Basically you needed 2 very strong actors that could make Echo and Ballard interesting and engrossing despite the situations they were in, and they picked two actors that, while very good at certain things, just weren't able to pull off what they needed to in order to live up to the concept.

Frustratingly, the rest of the cast was excellent. Enver Gjokaj, Dichen Lachman, Olivia Williams, Harry Lennix, Amy Acker...all did a fantastic job bringing something special and interesting to their characters. Even and Fran Kranz, who isn't really known for playing a wide range of characters, still made his character worth an emotional investment.

As I said, I enjoyed it and don't think it's as bad as some make it out to be...but I really feel that if they had gotten 2 actors better suited to carry the lead roles, Dollhouse would have been much better and lasted much longer.

On the flip side...I do have a "wish" about Dollhouse:

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Near the end of the show, when Echo jacks into the main computer or whatever in the Attic, she's running around in a small/dark dress and fighting things...I realized -- Echo is TOTALLY River Tam! Sent away to a "special school" where she is turned into a weapon, via brain wiping and having her "learn" in this fantasy world set in the past. Part of me wishes that the end of Dollhouse was actually Simon Tam breaking in and saving Echo/River.

Rewatch the last few non-future episodes, and it totally makes sense. :-P