This movie is the worse kind of disaster porn. I'm tired of so called "fun" and "entertaining" movies of massive slaughter with human life having as much value as tissue paper. While i think you can use that in a movie you have to address that like say "children of men". I didn't mind ID4 despite being all "rah rah America" as it included the rest of the world and made several points on how horrific these events are in a way that justified it.

But this has zero redeeming value. I didn't like anything about it even the CGI just looked like money, after the second crazy LA scene it had become a video game.
I went to the siggraph on 2012 here in Vancouver during the spark festival and saw how much work it was, which i respect but on screen it was boring.

If this had been done like say Team America with the same thunder birds look it would have rocked.

yes please do.

saw it at the VIFF and was really blown away. For what he had to use and he made soooo good.
cant wait for the blu ray

I think the story reason for the clones being different is that the fresh clone has year old memories, where as the older clone has had a year by him self and has for lack of a better term, mellowed.

Found a online copy of Roddenberry original pitch for star trek to compare and contrast with.

http://startrekpropauthority.blogspot.c … ch-11.html

Ok lets break that down.

We both agree that in the event of a serious political event leading to a nuclear exchange with china nuclear weapons WOULD be launched that would hit predetermined site inside china including large population bases to induce casualties to over whelm any chance of a protracted war.

You agreed that China was target listed.That targeting went beyond  battle prep like in Germany. This was both political and strategic in its planning as China was part of a enemy faction, and had human resources far out reaching all the US and NATO combined.

Two: China was and still is communist. Communism was the enemy of the US and its allies to the extent you outlined their western Europe policy as a "we will destroy it rather then give it up." remember this golden oldie, "better dead then red?" Its fair to say that at a ideological level that anything past the point of no return would have lead to a attack on this political enemy with weapons loaded with nuclear capability.

Thus a fair conclusion is that in event of any serious events such as the almost atomic attacks in retaliation for Korea, China was targeted, and events had gotten past just planing and reach operation level before stopping, such as the 51 strike. While there was more focus and open aggression between soviet Stalinist Russia, Mao china was second on the list of enemies.

Again its clear that China was a considered a serious threat both ideologically and in military.

Today in our post industrial world China has through very controlled means risen to become in a sense "factory of the world." There responsible for the assembly of both components and the final assembly of a huge disproportionate amount of the gadgets so in favor like laptops and Ipods.
So before it went off the rails i restate my original points.

There was a period of stability as a result of the statement, during which there was a incredible rise in quality of life and comfort in the west.

The nation you wanted to nuke and thus start a final human war with now makes your Ipods.

As for your enemies having nuclear proliferation is going to happen, I also suspect several nations that have not ever claimed to have them, such as Japan, do in fact have them.

As for terrorists willing to kill civilians what are you talking about? when you drop bombs from 60000 feet people die. To get upset by a particular method is ridiculous. Some one trapped under three tons of fallen concrete versus some one dying on a street corner are not moral choices but weapon choices. 

The Taliban is a entity to emerge from a CIA funded secret war, which once over lost all interest in until the late 90s. There is a terrible rise in states on the brink of anarchy or under incredible domestic pressure such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan due to a convergence of forces and events that is happening at a planetary scale. Parts of Africa such as Somalia, and Asia have falling into debt and environmental failure so deep as to be near impossible to fix. In these places which lack any stability or real solutions religion has come to fill the vacuum. You see this in Saudi Arabia where a huge percentage of students are getting degrees in theology rather then engineering etc.
Whats seems to be happening in the US is something similar with the rise of fundamental religion, denial of scientific concepts such as stem cells or evolution. There plenty of evidence on the "Christianization" of the US armed forces over the last twenty years. So to claim their the only force motivated by crazy religions is false. Bush made many claims that god had told him to do various things such as start wars etc. as well.
To me there is little long term difference between these kinds of people on both sides. IF the human race is to get out of this century we will have to get past the silly differences in our various symbols and deal with the larger issues as a species rather then various tribes.

Correct.The firebombing of Tokyo did kill more people and do more damage, but at a huge cost in men and material, the sheer scale of the logistics doesn't even compare to one plane one bomb even at WWII sized atomic weapons.
Then as you get to the late 50s with ballistic missiles the ability of both sides to annihilate each other starts to scale up and up. To do a Tokyo style attack is really hard while a small group of bombers or missiles get easier. And its clear that the leader ship of both sides would be the first target. While the general population was unaware the true power of the bomb the US and soviet leadership had huge statistics, photos and other various records such as medical data on the terrible effects. It was obvious to anyone who read it that there would be a completely different world after such a full scale war. The balance to the ease of there use is offset by the terrible out come, you strike you die. but  by the 1960s it was become a matter of public discourse that a nuclear war was not only un-winnable but most likely the last act of our civilization.

in 64 the Chinese detonate their first bomb with more within a few years becoming the far deadlier hydrogen bombs.
While there's the direct event of 1958 around Taiwan, the US has maintained a nuclear attack force against china since the late fifties with a almost attack planed from Guam as early as 1951.
If you think that the US didn't have nuclear strike targets in the largest communist population that had aided in attacking during the Korean war, then detonated its own atomic weapons I don't know what would lead to that conclusion. Every western nuclear NATO force had some hand in targeting china, from British subs to American ICBMs. While a 1960s strike most likely would be aimed, started by or at soviet Russia, China was also on the list.

And again the point was that were getting both strategic and commercial items build/modded/assembled/formed/created/glued in a nation that is both totalitarian and top of our hit list until recently. We have been lead to believe that things like computer chip are a simple commodity like pork belly's but in reality the number of companies that build the steppers needed for there assembly can be counted on one hand. Also once you lose a industry its incredibly hard to start again with out both government intervention and general will power to do so.

Right now were in a strange economic stalemate but its shape to me is starting to look like the last days of the Edwardian era before WWI which had similar odd balances of power both from the royal houses being related to the trade furiously engaged in by nations that would within a few years be trying to destroy each other in Flanders. I would compare many of the multinationals today as being like those royal houses.

you mean how like 90 percent of a Boeing is made out side the US and you just put the pieces together?
most of the components are made in china as well except for a major part which accounts for a full third of the production cost which is made in japan.
Doesn't change the point that their made in a country that was your ideological enemy to the extreme that the US and its allies were prepared to kill ever living person on the earth to stop now makes a disproportionate amount of the tech we base our life on. And whats sadder is the way that same tech is marketed, are you a rebel living fancy free with a slew of music you didn't pay for on a device made by small Asian women?
Our laptops and funky toys are made by a totalitarian country that was the target of half the west's nuclear arsenal now makes part for those same weapons systems.

no, ipods are made in china. They might end up making them after the foxxconn thingy.

just got a free pass version from a buddy burning thought my 7 hours, got to say even thought i suck at it great game, sorry not art, but a wicked fun game.

a interesting note on the alumium falcon, part of that oddness of the design that was not used was that it was supposed to rotate once out of orbit to a sun fish like position so the cockpit would ride at the top and the guns would cover the sides rather then top bottom. but like star treks TNG original romulan ships, aliens 4, planet of the apes they realized that vertical large ships didn't work too well. But this is still part of the design and influenced the B wings.