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Teague wrote:

Dude, I want your living room.

I have since bought a new projector which has a greater
throw distance/zoom ratio and fills out my screen and can
even go more. It even has 3D. I watched the 2 hobbit movies
for the first time and in 3D this last weekend, all I can say is WOW!

The projector, which is even brighter and clearer than my old one,
was only around 500 dollars on amazon, its a BenQ MW519, I think.
Only a 720P Native, same as my last one, but you really don't need
that 1080P for a screen this size IMHO. Hell you can hook your laptop
up to it with a BluRay Drive, and you are in business. The glasses for
3D were only like 22 bucks each off amazon. Throw in some headphones
and the screen that hangs up was around 120 dollars on Ebay(Its vinyl),
It you are golden!!

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Thirteen feet?!? Do you live in the Batcave?

Me test driving an Airport Crash Truck:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-9/200619_1529453408667_4764705_n.jpg

The same crash truck. Try having to climb up an down 50 times to grab tools
or what ever. Not as fun as it looks:
https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/189850_1529452208637_2840918_n.jpg

My "Bat Cave" screen that I use to relax after turning wrenches or chasing down
electrical problems all day(The girl on the screen is my sister n law aka Ramoma
Flowers(for Halloween)):
https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/40376_1319949571202_2919889_n.jpg

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fireproof78 wrote:

I think it is a more a question of why you format it that way?

At least, that is my question. It just strikes me, purely from a flow of typing point of view, that it is more difficult to break the sentences before the line break.

(also, anyone else looking for the Word Wrap check box wink )


its just like a typewriter, real simple, I type to the end of my natural gaze and hit the
enter button. When I'm on the next line, make a basic calculation about the size of
the last word of the sentence. In fact, all of this talk about it is more than I would ever
think about writing a post. About as basic as you can get...

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Withkittens wrote:

But I beg and implore you to understand there is no harm in a little empathy.
By all means, share your thoughts! There is nothing wrong with a little informing,
However, for those touched with OCD, your current format is a little affronting
So please, for all that you and I and everyone hold dear,
Let your words flow freely, there truly is nothing to fear!

So yeah. Not trying to be an asshole or anything, just please consider letting your words naturally flow to the next line.


I post messages all over the net, but I have never seen people
so worried about how a message is type out. Most people use
these tiny screens on a phone or pad, where the words are
end up just like this, or it will be so small that you cannot read it.
Now, there is a reason that I write this way, and that I will not change.
First off is that I am always using a screen that is 13 feet wide, and I
really don't feel like turning my fucking head when my sentence goes
past my natural gaze. Excuse me after I have worked all fucking day at
my job, where I might have removed and replaced a transmission out
of a Firetruck or maybe spent most of the day tying to figure out why
a school bus isn't running properly, and my neck along with the rest of
my body is sore as hell.
I that a good enough reason for you? Jesus Christ on a stick!
You would think that someone with OCD would love words close
together, being that it is a more efficient way to read and not
strain you eyes, like reading a novel, where the page is less wide
and more long.

Everyone is so worried about my word placement and not its content,
which seems to be a running theme: more worried about lens flare
than the cool content of a characters dialog.

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I have to say that I have never even heard of this movie, but I love these 2 actors.
I watched through it just to get a sense of the movie before I listen to the commentary,
and I have to say that the framing of some of the shots in this movie are just fantastic.
Some of the shots In this movie seem impossible, like they really had to jam the camera
into a hole. Reminds me of both an image of Kubrick laying on his back between Nicholson
and a door, or Liev Schreiber in RKO 231 as Welles taking a pick ax to a concrete RKO studio
floor...
I know that when Welles saw the title "Paper Moon" that the director had finally came up with,
Welles told him "That title is so good that you shouldn't even make the movie, just make the
poster", lol

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Darth Praxus wrote:
mkeithddc wrote:

I know a couple of people have already mentioned your margins to you, but d'you think you could fix them and whatever new color anomaly is going on with your text? It's really distracting. Many thanks. smile



What are
you talking
about?

This is how
you are
supposed to type,
isn't it?

You post your way
and I'll post mine.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Do we have a thread for this already? Probably not. Whatever. You guys need to start watching this show yesterday. It's a really smart exploration of the effects of violence and violent imagery on the psyche disguised as another in a long line of recent gory horror-cop dramas. Also, Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal takes Anthony Hopkins' to the fucking cleaners.

I haven't heard of this , and I really don't have time to start yet another show, buuuuttt...
I just wanted to say that I agree that Mads Mikkelsen IS.. THE.. SHIT!

Don't know if any one caught the movie "Valhalla Rising"(2009), I found it while looking
for other Nicolas Winding Refn movies(I had just seen "Drive", another BadASS Movie, IMHO)

I had remembered liking him in Casino Royal,
but now the man is basically a GOD to me.
Just FANTASTIC!!

sorry for getting off topic, but I just had to put that out there

http://a.imageshack.us/img535/175/vlcsnap2010071323h22m13.pnghttp://thegeekiary.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/valhallarising.jpg

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OK, I have an Excellent suggestion:

"Meet The Robinson's"(2007)

Not only is it some of the BEST animation to ever come out of Walt Disney Animation Studios,
but gives any Pixar film a run for its money(The Chrome and Paint on the Time Machine is insane)

The Characters are awesome, plenty of catch-it-or-you-miss-it humor, and a kick ass Time Travel
story.

It's hands down one of my all time Favorite Disney Movies.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I just rewatched Where The Wild Things Are. Sooooooooooo good, and definitely worthy of a commentary.

Agreed, Number One

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Eddie wrote:

I played electric guitar in a band that opened for Eve 6 in High School (They were called Yakoo back then).  Shockingly, I in fact received no pussy, and was still treated like a dork in high school.

Only Drummers get pussy, didn't you know that? Apparently you haven't
seen "That Thing That You Do!"

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Faldor wrote:
mkeithddc wrote:

If you play in a garage band with electric guitars,
you are bad ass and get hot gets

hot what now?

hot *girls, lol

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fireproof78 wrote:
Faldor wrote:
mkeithddc wrote:

Scott Pilgrim Isn't ever supposed to be a geek. He has his own band.

roll

Um, then why is there the term "band geek?"


Band Geek?? Really?? Oh, maybe this is sarcasm. but just in case its not, Um, someone who is
in a school band/marching band is a geek. If you play in a garage band with electric guitars,
you are bad ass and get hot girls, even if you are Michael Cera. I don't make the rules.

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fireproof78 wrote:

I'm sorry, I get that this was a movie based upon a cartoon and toy line from my era, but I grew up with the 60's, Trey toys, so I am with Trey on this one. His rant is probably one of my favorite ones from WAYDM simply because I identified with it, understood it and wanted to applaud by the end.

In all honesty, the movie should have just been called "Snake Eyes" and called it good. That was the only part of the movie that caught my interest. It also wasted Dennis Quaid: major strike right there (much like Battleship, which wasted Liam Neeson).

Well, just sayin. If someone, hypothetically had sat down and watched a season of the
cartoon on Netflix, which takes maybe a few hours, then they would totally understand
this movie. The movie would still be bad, but they would know all of the characters and
none of the tech or the crazy plot would bother them, because this movie is just like a
storyline from the cartoon from 85'.
And the story lines for those cartoons were written just as well as your favorite Star Trek
or Dr Who episode. They would even have one story last over 3-4 episodes to give it time
to flesh out.

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I just want to say one thing. I thought the ending was pretty clear.
He goes back in time, then makes sure to catch both missiles, now that he
has some more time. We just don't see them getting caught, I guess
they thought it would be redundant?  I remember watching it as a little
kid, back then I thought that he actually made the planet move which caused
the time travel, but still got that he caught both missiles. Just seemed obvious
to me?

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

Spoilers for Azkaban on:

SPOILER Show
Everything in the books (and movies) says this, they even ramped it up in the movies.

A few specific examples from the top of my head: The first time the gang is in Hagrids hut, the rock flies through the window from future Hermione smashes the pot. The wolf call by future Hermione. And then there's that little thing with the Patronus.

At every single instance they assume it was some other, outside force, an actual wolf, Harry's father etc. But in truth it was them, they wait for the wolf call, but it doesn't come, Harry waits for his father but he never appears. Every action they took after using the time turner had already been collapsed and melded into the main timeline, there was nothing they could do that had not already happened.

And thinking about it from a story standpoint, I'd never considered it before, but that's a genius thing on JK's part. To have the almighty godly power of TIME TRAVEL, "We'll just fix everything with that!" but the universe just goes "Fuck you bitches, that's not how this is gonna work.", so it once again falls down onto Harry to solve the problem the hard way. There are no easy answers.

You gotta wonder how many nights they lay awake while camping going "What if we could just do the time travel thing?", but having to remind themselves that won't work, and it's impossible right now anyways. That must've sucked.

Of course then she went the extra step of destroying all the Time Turners just to make doubly sure they couldn't mess with Time Travel... the more I think about it, the gang would fit in really well with the Moya crew hmm

Yes, this is what I thought you were going to say.
What you are talking about is called a Time Paradox. It does not mean, under any circumstances,
that they are not changing time. It may be themselves doing it to themselves, but that is still changing
something.

Please, Please, don't take it from me, if you really want it broken down by someone way smarter than me,
go to this link and read it. After you are done, you can go to the main page of the site and find many
other popular TT movies broken down:
http://www.mjyoung.net/time/potter.html

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BigDamnArtist wrote:
mkeithddc wrote:

Now what you are saying about the time turner not working that way, I don't know
about that because the kids do go back and mess with their own lives, if only very little.
Its basically a paradox, which I think is what you mean when you say they can't change
anything. You are right, of course, but are not really saying it right. They can change
things, but its something they were going to do anyway, because they are only messing
with themselves.

No. But yes. You're trying to overcomplicate it.

The Harry Potter universe, the one that is experienced in real time, is a compression of all possible time travel events into a single, master, timeline. Anything that will ever happen re: time travel has happened and has been flattened and incorporated into the master timeline (The one we experience).

Therefore, it is literally impossible for anyone in the Harry Potter to change the universe through time travel because whatever they did had already happened and was already a part of the "real" timeline that everyone experienced. So therefore the only thing they can do is whatever has already happened.

The only reason it seems (to Harry) like he was able to change the past is because he didn't realize that he was the one doing it in the first place. but everything they did had already happened in the main timeline, they just weren't aware of it.

I'm not saying it's perfect or even a particularly great example of time travel theory, but it's how TT's  and time travel in the HP universe are shown to work.


And you read this where? Because I have seen the movies multiple times, but have not read the books.

I get what you are saying, but there is nothing in the movies that suggest this.

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redxavier wrote:

There's a really good, heartbreaking Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour (love her) time traveling movie, Somewhere in Time, that's worth a watch.

Yes. another great romance TT movie. I love the theme with that, to use a penny, IIRC.
There is another movie that uses a similar idea, but I cant think of it just now.

That makes me think of 2 more Romance TT movies that use fantasy magic instead
of a machine or a wormhole. I don't get it, because someone on this thread had
said that fantasy TT is so very rare, but there are so many.

The Time Travelers Wife(2009): A wonderful tearjerker romdrama that DIF should really do as an episode.
also my favorite Eric Bana movie besides "Hulk"(yes I liked "Hulk" more than the Norton one).
Bana was born with the ability and could not control it but still manages to land Rachel McAdams.

About Time(2013): Directed by the guy who did Love Actually. Amazing Romcom/sci-fi that
also stars Rachel McAdams lol. This time the Guy can control it by simply going into a closet and
thinking about when he wants to go to.
Bill Nighy plays the dad who can also travel, it runs in the family. You should watch it just
for Bill Nighy explaining to his son about their gift, pretty funny movie thats lighthearted,
but treats the time travel pretty good.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

But that's not how the Time Turner works! You can't change things with the Time Turner, you can only go back and do what you were always going to do. Voldemort is alive and Harry's parents are dead, so any attempt with the Time Turner to go back and change that will fail, because the timeline does not change.

Not only that, but I think what the poster above yours missed in my reasoning of
the Time Turner is that even if they could go back and save Harry's parents, Harry
and the gang would know better not to, it would cause such a ripple that could
keep people from being born and other worse things. which is exactly why they
don't do it in the movie, and why Dumbledor would only ever consider giving the
time turner to is Heromine.

Now what you are saying about the time turner not working that way, I don't know
about that because the kids do go back and mess with their own lives, if only very little.
Its basically a paradox, which I think is what you mean when you say they can't change
anything. You are right, of course, but are not really saying it right. They can change
things, but its something they were going to do anyway, because they are only messing
with themselves.

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I just want to say, I did love this movie, however, I am not going to sit here and say you all suck
because you didn't completely care for this movie.
I have never read the comics, but I do know that you almost have to read ALL of them
to fully get the movie. They didn't make any compromise and there is very little
exposition in this movie to let in you in on the punchline.
Oh, BTW, Scott Pilgrim Isn't ever supposed to be a geek. He has his own band.
Why on earth does anybody think that he is supposed to be anything but this
regular guy in a band. look at his apt, there isn't any games or posters or comics,
nothing that spells geek. If someone told you that this was supposed to be a book
for geeks about a geek, they were wrong, and probably were just wishful thinking.
I will admit that Scott is an asshole sometimes but a geek that doesn't make.
and the whole video game thing, just because he is good at them, doesn't
make him a geek or mean that he ever played them except occasionally.

Just to wrap up:
To watch this movie is to have got one of those hard but really awesome video games
back in the day, only you have no instructions, and it is before the internet.
You either just play the game and try and figure it out, which you might not
ever do, or simply don't play it.  I never had a problem figuring out games
like this, or I just didn't care, I enjoyed them either way

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OK, 2 things

First, this movie was made for guys like me who watched this 80's cartoon as a kid.
The movie follows the 80's cartoon almost perfectly except for a few things.
As far as the big ass toys from the 60's, that has nothing to do with this movie
and they never expected men of that age to come and watch this movie.
If you were not a boy or tomboy born between 1970-1975, then you would have
no idea what this movie should be about as far as the story and characters.
I have even watched the cartoons recently, they are actually well written sci-fi.
I never played with the toys. but they basically were identical in size to the Star Wars figures.
Also, every type of flying craft and magic bean tech they have in this movie is all in the
original 80's cartoon. In the Cartoons universe, it was in the future and also was def.
had an alternate history going on. All of this I clearly remember thinking about when
I was 11 yrs old watching this show. I am actually surprised that they went to killing
people in the movie, since they(obviously so parents wouldn't flip out) had super high tech
ejection seats and bodyarmour and nobody died. Also they did not use bullets, they were
using some type of stun phasers, because use could get shot by the enemy and still survive.
But one things is for sure that this WAS NOT made to sell toys. There is a whole generation of
guys like me with families who they expected to go and see this movie for nostalgia.
Don't get me wrong, this was not a good movie.
BTW, the backstory on the 2 Ninjas might have been about what seems like minor
characters, but the 2 ninjas were a major deal in the cartoon, and there was entire
stories that spanned multiple episodes based on them.

Second, The fact that the invisibility suit wasn't used is not bad story telling.
They have been doing that in spy movies for years, look how many gadgets
they showed Bond over the years that looked cool in the map/training room,
but wasn't given to use in the movie. So every Bond movie should automatically
be crap because they all have MIA Chekhov's Gun...

OMGOMG, LMAO!! OK, Trey hates that Blond chick, well her name was Cover Girl, who in the cartoon
was bad ass.  But, um, OMG, OK so they. maybe with keeping true to the cartoon, they actually
got a REAL covergirl to play that part, she had absolutely no acting experience whatsoever, LMAO.
Clearly someone wasn't thinking straight on that one. It most have been someones girlfriend..

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To Hell with Upstream Color, I am waiting for "The Sacrament" to come out,
the next Ti West movie, which also stars Amy Seimetz

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Great Commentary!!!! Like a well oiled machine....

OK, I don't know who might read this, and I don't know where else to post this, but you
guys were talking about it on this episode and other episodes as well.
I am referring to The Saw Franchise. Most of you say the first movie was good, and that
at lease some of you have seen part 2. And I know that it is made fun of because it
has 6 sequels.
So I just want to say, as of a couple of years ago I was totally on the same page as
you guys. I had tried to watch part 2 and couldn't much past the "needle pool" scene
before turning it off, and simply blew off the rest of the movies as garbage.
Well I'll have you know that my wife, who really doesn't like horror movies has insisted
on me watching all the movies with her, and this started back when only 4 or 5 movies
had been made, so we are talking 7 yrs ago.
So I think that most people, not really caring much for the movies, might not know that
ALL of the films were produced by the same 2 guys and this really gives the movies a
consistency that I would never have thought would be there. Also when the director
of parts 2, 3, and 4 left, the production designer for parts 1-4 directed part 5 and then editor
of parts 1-5 directed the last 2.
This really gave the movies a sense of cohesion that I did not expect.
So as you can tell, my wife finally talked me into having a Saw marathon
one weekend many years ago, and I was blown away by the story.
Right up to the last frame of the last movie, they wrap and fold the
story from the first movie. And, not to give anything away, but most of the
reveals that we see throughout the movies, is that the events we see the
latter movies actually are happening simultaneously with events in the first
and second movies. They do an amazing job of keeping continuity throughout.
Plus the score as also great, IMO.

I just think if some of you sat down and watched them all, that maybe they wouldn't
be made fun of.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

A Christmas Carol is more fantasy, I think, because the time travel is explicitly spiritual/supernatural. Nothing scientific about it.

Yes, but see now we are getting somewhere. I know of several movies, right now, that are pure
fantasy time travel movies which are really good IMO.  They still uses the same tropes in the movie
as if they had a "machine" to use, but in all cases it was purely magic. Either a wizard cast a spell
with a book or a pot of "alchemy brew" and sent are protagonists either back or forward:

Evil Dead 3(1993): A wizard and or a evil book sent are hero ash back in time. He was then later
sent forward in time using magic.

Kate & Leopold(2001): A fantastic Rom Com/fantasy that has a duke(Hugh Jackman) follow a man
through a portal that is around the Brooklyn Bridge(you have to jump off the bridge in a certain
spot). He went from 1876 to present day NY. A the man who he followed(Liev Schreiber)
meets the mans Ex girlfriend(Meg Ryan) in his Apt building. Romance and Fish-out-of-water troupes
ensue. Great movie. Now this one isn't exactly explained perfectly, but you could say its a wormhole,
which isn't really magic, you have to watch this movie.

Just Visiting(2001): The other Rom Com TT movie made that year. This one is 1000 percent fantasy.
A French Knight(Jean Reno) is sent back by an inept wizard by magic from the middle ages to present
day. A woman(Christina Applegate) see the man in his outfit and the mistaken ident trope ensues.
He later gets sent back(I think he goes back) by the same wizard who later shows up in the present
day looking for the Knight.

There are more, but my fingers hurt. point is there are good movie that deal with TT in a serious manner,
even if there may by comedy evolved(Like Ground Hog Day), but are magical in nature.

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Everything in this movie either has an explanation, or simply didn't need one.
Somehow people keep saying "well that piece of tech or car should be working like
everything else". Um, it's real simple, it only killed stuff that was operating at the time.
The camcorder that was shown obviously wasn't turned on till after the EMP burst.
The Van was dead. But Cruise, (obviously being a master mechanic by way of a
small block engine being rebuilt in his kitchen) was smart enough to tell the mech
to replace the starter solenoid which the the original one fried because someone
was trying to start the van while he EMP burst was happening, and the rest of the
electrical components in the van were OK, because they are connected to the
accessory side of your ignition switch. when you crank your car, that stuff gets turned
off momentarily. This is why you hear your radio and a/c turn off while cranking your car.
(and I know this because I have been a mechanic for the last 20 years)

As far as the Son is concerned, when they are on the hill and there are tanks and army
guys blowing stuff up, he doesn't say "let me go" like he is tied of his dad, he says
"I have to see this!!", which obviously means that in his sons mind and heart, he
needs to see the battle. It is the same as when my granddad and everyone else
went and signed up for WWII without a draft, they were compelled by their very
being to go and fight, to see the great battles that they were watching on those
newsreels and listening to one the radio. after were attacked at Pearl Harbor, it
became even more compelling to go.  The son didn't want to leave his sister and father,
he HAD to. I myself can't understand this concept, but I know guys that reenlisted that
very hour after the second plane hit. 
About him being still alive at the end, we don't see him die. We see a bunch of tanks and
men run forward over the hill, and the son runs out first to see the most fantastic/horrible
thing that he we ever see, that anyone, anywhere will ever see in the history of Mankind.
There is every reason to believe that some of the men ran around the legs of the tripods.
Father and daughter are in the basement, which has camera cuts and we are not sure of
exactly how long they are there, giving Robbie plenty of time to have hitched a ride on
a transport, a helicopter, we will never know his story.  Just as we are there to see one
mans(Cruise) journey of survival, there are countless other stories of people here and there
making it out alive in some way, just like the son did. We see the look in the Fathers eyes and
the look in the Sons eyes before he lets him go.
I really think that kid who played the son did a fantastic job there at the last seen we see him.
I just cant get that image out of my mind of the look they give each other, its just so real.
I have a daughter, and it just makes you see a scene like that in a different way IMO.

About the tech being under the ground. Has anybody ever considered that when the
walkers were placed in the ground, it was probably done by remote control, which
is why the aliens have never been there before, just a probe to send back data.
It most likely was before humans, and perhaps even before dinosaurs. when they
arrived here, by way of some kind of electrical beam, like a transporter, they probably
didn't even know that we were here, and didn't care. and as far as there being no reason
for having the stuff under the ground, it is probably the best FTL travel plan that I have ever seen
in a movie. send your tech by REMOTE control, and then many years later, when that planet
comes up on the queue, then simply beam yourself there, no hyper-sleep crap, no having
to eat, one moment you are on your planet, then you are in your tripod walker thing
ready to terraform.
AND, AND if you really want to get into it, maybe its not like you think. Maybe the tripods
were sent to the planet at the same time as the aliens, but the only way to send something FTL that is not organic, due to their magic bean alien technology, it has to travel BACK IN TIME, which is why the stuff was already there. Then it remotely buries itself to be protected from the weather and any lifeforms that happen to be there.
So the aliens and their tripods attack all at the same time, put the tripods go first, and back in time.
Then they Beam over a moment later, and the tripods have been waiting for you all this time on earth,
and it is all seamless as far as the aliens are concerned.
plus they probably don't even consider it bad to kill us, we are just insects to them.

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Dorkman wrote:

As it is, Harry Potter comes dangerously close to violating its magic bean in Azkaban with the introduction of the Time Turner. A LOT of people find that objectionable even given the blank check of the existence of magic, because the magical world should be COMPLETELY different if time travel is a thing.


I just noticed this, and not to start arguing again, well, time travel is totally a magically thing.
It has been in many a fantasy movie and story, going back to something like "A Yankee in King Authors Court". If you are just saying that its magical, but because they had access to TT, than they could
have done this or that in the HP universe that they didn't, then I say that as far as we know, the
time turner device is the only thing that has that power, and it was entrusted to people that could
be trusted and responsible with that power. HP is not a good example for a complaint like this to
me, because it seems like throughout the journey of HP, there was multiple times that adults
could have stepped in and helped, bad guys could have been permanently taken care of
so as not to cause trouble later, and powerful spells get used to save the day then are somehow
forgotten about later on to help in a similar crisis. But these were kids books, so I gave them
a wide pass. BTW I have only watch the movies, only my wife has read the books.