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Teague Chrystie

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Somewhere between 2 hours to 2 hours and four minutes, the commentary skipped ahead a bit. Not sure if that's an issue in the file itself or if it's some kind of problem on my end.

Also, "That alien butthole just exploded!" smile

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It is a rather fun retelling, with interesting references to the book for fans to catch. I was surprised you guys didn't mention the first movie at all, or the TV series, and obviously you're not familiar with the rock opera smile

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Loved the original movie. Loved the cheesy tv show. Couldn't stand the remake. The movie was visually impressive but just felt soulless. I may have to give it another try, I just remember really disliking it when I first saw it.

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really suprised by this, I haven't watched it since it was in cinemas but I really wasn't impressed. I didn't believe Tom Cruise as a low paid dock worker, the kid spent the whole movie screaming "Daddy Daddy Daddy" and the other kid was unlikeable for reasons stated.

I really didn't like the scene in the basement with the tentacle and then an identical scene with aliens.

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The van broke the movie for me. I spent most of the movie in the theater asking myself dozens of questions about the van. How did they get it to work but not any other vehicles? How and why did everyone on the freeway manage to get pulled over to the side enough for the van to get by? Why wasn't the van affected? Because it was off? Broken? If the van was affected and that mechanic fixed it, why could no one else figure out the problem? How could a jet liner crash and explode around their house without either destroying the house or the van? How was the news guys van and gear also working, even though they seemed to have witnessed these things first hand? The army guys all had vehicles as well. It's not like they took out all the vehicles, right? Why didn't anyone else's car work?

And then other questions popped into my head, like:
- If the aliens need people to make their blood-plants grow, why do their weapons utterly obliterate this resource and only this resource?
- If the aliens' weapons evaporate humans, where did all the river bodies come from, and how did they all end up in the river all at once? Did the aliens happen by the worlds largest canoe river tour or something? It's not like they all fell off a cruise liner or something, since they're floating down a kinda medium sized river.
- Was the splinter significant? Is the idea that the human body would just naturally push the splinter out supposed to be some kind of foreshadowing of the earth finding some way of 'pushing out' the alien invaders? Or was it just to demonstrate early on how fucking annoying this character was going to be throughout the entire film?
- When the aliens start coming over the hills while they're boarding the river boat, why does everyone desperately try to get onto the large, slow-moving and highly obvious target instead of just running away in random directions?
- If the alien vehicles were already here, as implied in the film, then were they responsible for creating life on this planet? Is this their method of colonization / terraforming a planet? If all of this is true, then were they somehow forgetting that whole "evolution" thing and the possibility that their method would most likely create a variety of interesting forms of life that would kill the shit out of them? If they didn't create us, but rather just planted the ships in preparation for their invasion, then why the hell didn't they just invade in the first place?
- Why the hell would you walk around an alien planet that was teeming with life without some sort of protective suit or clothing of any kind? Why the hell are aliens always nude in general? I would wear ten layers of armor-plated Hazmat suits if I was assigned surface detail on some alien planet. I don't care how breathable the atmosphere is.
- Why did it take some random survivor to point out the fact that the alien ships were vulnerable? In fact, why the hell would they not shoot at it if it was just sitting there leaning up against a building? Why would they stop shooting at it at all? They are alien trying to kill us. Shoot at them. It may look like the aliens called a time out to catch their breath, but they aren't allowed to do that. Shoot at them.

The kid should have died, but even if he had, the movie still would have bugged me a lot. I consider this to be one of Spielberg's worst films, though not from a technical level. He's always great at all the shooting/editing/effects/scene-construction stuff. Even the basic story isn't that bad. There are just too many moments in the film where something will happen that makes me say "wait...  I thought that that couldn't happen" or "wait... How come they don't just do this?". The van / vehicle stuff is all I can think of when I watch this flick.

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...Yes. That.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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To be fair, the movie does address some of these. The van works because Tom Cruise suggested he change the solonioids or whatever they are when he's on the way to check out ground zero. The reason he goes back to the van is because he knows his mechanic buddy followed through on his recommendation and thusly knows the van works. It's still kinda clumsy, in my opinion.

The bodies in the river is fine, I'm sure plenty of people that got thrown from the ferry died in non-heat ray ways and they would've ended up floating wherever that river flowed. And rivers can go from massive water ways to minuscule creeks; that happens all over the place in nature.

But yeah, it makes no sense for the aliens to plant ships millions of years in the past and then wait for natural evolutionary processes to hopefully produce what the aliens need. That would be like letting whatever the undomesticated version of a cow was to have free reign over North America but leaving guns scattered across the place and then parachuting in millions of years later to butcher them all at the same time. Just domesticate the damn thing.

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You guys have reminded me of one of the more interesting 7th Doctor stories, Ghost Light, which like many from that era had too many ideas and not enough time/money. An alien in the past was sent to catalog everything on Earth but was frozen, and when he awoke he found everything had evolved and thus his catalog was useless. Rather then start over, he though it would be easier to just kill all the new things and catalog what was left smile

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So thats what Ghostlight was about!

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That sounds like it would be a pretty cool episode. I never got into Dr. Who because watching episodes in the states used to be a hit-or-miss thing. They'd play them all out of order and you were lucky if you could ever find them on TV. The last couple of doctors have been pretty popular, tho. I'll have to see if the series is on Netflix or something. My mom used to watch it all the time when I was a kid, tho, so I caught a bunch of episodes back then and kinda liked it.

I'd like to see them do a film series for Dr Who. I'm sure that's possible now that the good doctor has become so popular outside of the UK.

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Well, arguably, they did:

However, they decided to redefine the Doctor as a human inventor instead of an alien, so the movies are sooo not canon, as well as being pretty lame.

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The thing about Doctor Who, at least the original, is once they started airing them as "movies" instead of 25 minute episodes in the US order didn't matter. There never was much continuity between stories apart from maybe them landing on the next planet at the end of the previous episode. I kinda wish the new version would go back to that... also, if you're going back to the series now keep in mind that even more then Star Trek it's very hit and miss, and each era is different. The original dynamic (grandfather, granddaughter, and two teachers who have a thing for each other) was never really repeated unfortunately. Someday...

As for the movies, yeah they were an attempt to market the Daleks outside the UK. They're adaptations of the first two Dalek stories, but the originals are oh so much better.

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Staying on the off-topic...

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The plants were in the original book as part of the alien take over, so he had alien terra-forming in a turn of the century sci fi novel and a bacterial retaliation for his ending...
HG Wells was appalled by the British imperialism at the time and used it in reverse having England being invaded by a technically superior race who killed and converted the landscape to their needs only to be brought down by disease similar to what had happened to various British units in Africa and Asia.
I would also recommend reading the " Time machine " for the nihilistic original ending which has not been done in any of the film versions, and also the lesser know book "the sleeper awakes".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeper_Awakes

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Amazing what a quick shoot this was - under 2.5 months with a similar pre-production lead-in. By keeping the focus on Cruise Cruise Cruise and not the war, Spielberg knocked this over in half the time you'd normally expect for a big budget sci-fi invasion film.

Agree with the problems raised above. Also it was mis-marketed as an ID4 extravaganza, which must have left many disappointed. The battle was just over the ridge but we can't quite see it.

Also, it's exhibit A in Deus Ex Machina endings. Not its fault (that's how the book ends) but passive protagonists don't make for satisfying blockbuster movies.

not long to go now...

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Everything in this movie either has an explanation, or simply didn't need one.
Somehow people keep saying "well that piece of tech or car should be working like
everything else". Um, it's real simple, it only killed stuff that was operating at the time.
The camcorder that was shown obviously wasn't turned on till after the EMP burst.
The Van was dead. But Cruise, (obviously being a master mechanic by way of a
small block engine being rebuilt in his kitchen) was smart enough to tell the mech
to replace the starter solenoid which the the original one fried because someone
was trying to start the van while he EMP burst was happening, and the rest of the
electrical components in the van were OK, because they are connected to the
accessory side of your ignition switch. when you crank your car, that stuff gets turned
off momentarily. This is why you hear your radio and a/c turn off while cranking your car.
(and I know this because I have been a mechanic for the last 20 years)

As far as the Son is concerned, when they are on the hill and there are tanks and army
guys blowing stuff up, he doesn't say "let me go" like he is tied of his dad, he says
"I have to see this!!", which obviously means that in his sons mind and heart, he
needs to see the battle. It is the same as when my granddad and everyone else
went and signed up for WWII without a draft, they were compelled by their very
being to go and fight, to see the great battles that they were watching on those
newsreels and listening to one the radio. after were attacked at Pearl Harbor, it
became even more compelling to go.  The son didn't want to leave his sister and father,
he HAD to. I myself can't understand this concept, but I know guys that reenlisted that
very hour after the second plane hit. 
About him being still alive at the end, we don't see him die. We see a bunch of tanks and
men run forward over the hill, and the son runs out first to see the most fantastic/horrible
thing that he we ever see, that anyone, anywhere will ever see in the history of Mankind.
There is every reason to believe that some of the men ran around the legs of the tripods.
Father and daughter are in the basement, which has camera cuts and we are not sure of
exactly how long they are there, giving Robbie plenty of time to have hitched a ride on
a transport, a helicopter, we will never know his story.  Just as we are there to see one
mans(Cruise) journey of survival, there are countless other stories of people here and there
making it out alive in some way, just like the son did. We see the look in the Fathers eyes and
the look in the Sons eyes before he lets him go.
I really think that kid who played the son did a fantastic job there at the last seen we see him.
I just cant get that image out of my mind of the look they give each other, its just so real.
I have a daughter, and it just makes you see a scene like that in a different way IMO.

About the tech being under the ground. Has anybody ever considered that when the
walkers were placed in the ground, it was probably done by remote control, which
is why the aliens have never been there before, just a probe to send back data.
It most likely was before humans, and perhaps even before dinosaurs. when they
arrived here, by way of some kind of electrical beam, like a transporter, they probably
didn't even know that we were here, and didn't care. and as far as there being no reason
for having the stuff under the ground, it is probably the best FTL travel plan that I have ever seen
in a movie. send your tech by REMOTE control, and then many years later, when that planet
comes up on the queue, then simply beam yourself there, no hyper-sleep crap, no having
to eat, one moment you are on your planet, then you are in your tripod walker thing
ready to terraform.
AND, AND if you really want to get into it, maybe its not like you think. Maybe the tripods
were sent to the planet at the same time as the aliens, but the only way to send something FTL that is not organic, due to their magic bean alien technology, it has to travel BACK IN TIME, which is why the stuff was already there. Then it remotely buries itself to be protected from the weather and any lifeforms that happen to be there.
So the aliens and their tripods attack all at the same time, put the tripods go first, and back in time.
Then they Beam over a moment later, and the tripods have been waiting for you all this time on earth,
and it is all seamless as far as the aliens are concerned.
plus they probably don't even consider it bad to kill us, we are just insects to them.

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Quick aside, I've been working on the Universal lot for the last 6 weeks and have picked up all sorts of interesting stories.  The War of the Worlds crashed 747 is still on the lot to this day, and it's 100% practical.  Spielberg bought a 747, flew it into Burbank Airport, had it cut into three, and then transported by truck to the lot.  Only problem...they forgot to remove the tail number.  SO for a week after while they were set dressing it, other planes flying into Burbank would look down and see a downed 747 in pieces, and call it into to the FAA and FBI.  Production got shutdown twice while LAPD and LAFD were called to the studios.

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They've been telling that story on the backlot tour for like the last five years.

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People in the biz don't take the tour, so are the last to hear these stories smile

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paulou wrote:

They've been telling that story on the backlot tour for like the last five years.

Oh....well I'm sad now.

Eddie Doty

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Just lookin out.

Invid wrote:

People in the biz don't take the tour

False

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paulou wrote:
Invid wrote:

People in the biz don't take the tour

False

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The evaporating people were cool? I, personally, think a boring film made from a boring book (just my opinion) makes it an effective adaptation. The 50's film took the most compelling aspect of the book minus a few characters and concepts that I don't remember working very well anyway.

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There's two ways to adapt War of the Worlds: you can adapt the plot, or the idea. The plot is about aliens invading England around 1890. The IDEA is aliens invading "now". After all, Wells wasn't writing a period piece, he was commenting on British colonialism, and what if someone tried to do it to them. Neither movie has much to do with the plot or characters of the book. If you want to see the plot adapted well, you want the rock opera.

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