Here's my bet.     Walt's got two goals now -

1. Get Gray Matter to take over the job of supporting Skyler and the kids.  They have every reason to, they've offered to do as much in the past, the Feds can't do anything about it, etc.  They may hate Walt now, but they'll do it out of respect for who he used to be.

2.  Todd and co. have got to go.   Which is obviously going to put Walt and Jesse back together somehow as well.  They're on the same team again with a common enemy, and now Jesse also has nothing left to lose (except for Brock, a potential wild card that may get played somehow.)   Also the show's gone out of its way to make Todd and the gang completely awful, as opposed to previous villains like Gus, whose motivations and choices were at least understandable.   

Both Jesse and Walt have been grievously wronged by the  Bros, and have people they care about who are directly threatened by the Bros.   They're certainly gonna try to burn that crew to the ground - although the way the show doesn't ever make things easy, I'm not gonna place any bets on whether they'll be fully successful, or what they may do to each other once that job is done.   (Bonus, the DEA may end up being the cavalry in some way - hi, Marie!)   

So I guess I spoke too soon when I said Walt's story was effectively over in the last episode - there does seem to be one last character turn to play out.    Walt's finally accepted that he can't "fix" this, not in the way that he used to. Flynn made that clear.   Instead, he's coming back to atone for all his sins by doing what's right - not what feeds his own ego or advances his legacy.  He wants to die as ol' Walter White, rather than Heisenberg.    The werewolf changing back to human form as he lays dying, you might say.

Or it'll be something else entirely.  Hell, I dunno.  smile

Well, there ya go then.  I buy it, since the hints about Walt's ego were there from the very beginning.

I dunno if the show started with a strong theme, at least it didn't display one.  At first it was just a deep-black comedy about Hapless Schmo and Meth-head Robin deciding to get into the drug biz, immediately getting in way over their heads and the hijinks ensued.   Underpants, bathtubs full of Hispanic Cherry Slush and so on.

But for the past several seasons the show  clearly has been unfolding a classic tragedy, with a theme about how ego and obsession can drive you to greatness but can also be your downfall something something something.

The Salon article overreached by trying to make Walt represent all white men everywhere - but I certainly agree the character of Walt specifically has become a cautionary example of what happens when you decide to take by force what the world "owes you" but failed to deliver.

I could give Gilligan the benefit of the doubt and say those early wacky episodes were just to get a greenlight, and the master plan was always there, but I rather suspect it was an organic process of figuring out what the show was.

This will end well.

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Meh, don't worry about it.   I'm not that into movies, really.

Good luck tomorrow!   Win an Oscar!

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the run that ends with "...the amount of semen in the chest cavity..." would be my pick.

And then sharks.

Aha.    Clues clues clues.

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From context I'm guessing "they" is the authorities.  As in, Walt's attempt to divert all suspicion onto himself didn't hold after he successfully vanished.   It's been months, Hank and Gomie were never found, Marie knows  Skyler was involved... looks like she may be the trigger.

Given his past history of attempting to frame others, I wonder if Walt's endgame involves ratting out the Bros as Hank's killers... while simultaneously wiping them out so they can't rat him out in return.   For that matter, his plan may even include dying himself.

Early prediction - Walt will give the Ricin dose to... himself.  On purpose.

Typos fixed. smile

And even if I go with Walt's ego as motivator - the Bros have already taken over the bizness and Walt knows they're cooking.  That was already going on for the past couple of episodes.  So it doesn't answer the "why NOW?" question.

Hmm.  Doesn't seem right to me.  I think Walt truly doesn't care about the meth business anymore.   

Okay, I could maybe buy it if his cancer has reached the point where he's got a very short time left and he wants to settle that score while he still can.   But the plotting of the show has been so solid all along that that seems... thin.

This is what's called the "pregnant moment" in storytelling - i.e. why is this happening NOW?   You don't just have a character get up one random day and go on a killing spree - you give the character a solid, compelling reason to do it.   Something new about today that wasn't there yesterday.

I think Walt's back because of a specific threat to the family, and I think it's something that only just happened.  Obviously it'll involve the Bros and Jesse somehow but I bet it's something more specific than just Walt deciding this would be a good week to come home and kill them.

Where we are as of now, Walt's best way to protect the family is to stay gone.  Something's overridden that, even though him coming back puts his family in danger again.  So there must be a bigger danger that's arrived.

They have no grudge against Walt - he's done plenty for them.  Until that moment they were working for him.   But the job was just to kill one lowlife methhead.  Now with two DEA corpses on their hands, the Bros are in a lot deeper than they planned to be, and decided to compensate themselves accordingly.

However, due to their own code of honor, they offered Walt the choice of walking away with his life plus one barrel of consolation cash - or being the third body.  Walt took the deal.

Walt's reasons for wanting Jesse dead are all pretty much invalid now.    He has no personal grudge against Jesse and never did - any more than he hated (or even knew the names of) all those murdered jailhouse witnesses.    Walt's actions toward Jesse have always been driven by Jesse's usefulness and/or threat to Walt at any given moment.

So at first he hired the Nazis to kill Jesse because Jesse was working with Hank to bring Walt down.  Then he was willing to let the Nazis execute Jesse in exchange for letting Hank live, but that was never going to happen.  So then he gladly let the Nazis take Jesse so Walt himself could walk away, go get his family and escape.   Except - Walt's own family screwed up that plan by refusing to run away with him.   

So now Walt's lost everything... but there's also no potential harm to Walt if Jesse lives.  The house of cards has already collapsed.  So I don't think Walt's come all the way back to do harm to Jesse.  I think in some twisted Walt-logic way, it may be the opposite.

Yes, that.

It's especially clever that they opened the episode with a flashback to where this all began.   

Over the course of the series we've seen every step of Walt's transformation, so we're not aware of how much has changed.  But when they showed us a reminder of the likable schlump that Walt used to be, it feels shocking to see that he was literally a different person then.

Last night's episode was the true "ending" of Walt's story - the circle is closed, all Walt's plans have failed, the family he cared about is in ruins and will never be the same, and everybody knows everything.  The only thing left was either to turn himself in, or run.

But Jesse's story isn't over yet.  Whether Walt's coming back to rescue Jesse, or destroy him for good, or  for some reason that doesn't involve Jesse at all, who knows.  But no matter what, Walt is finished.  The question now is whether Jesse can be saved.

BBQ wrote:

One thing that bothers/worries me is that both returning Holly and taking the heat off Skyler are both redeeming acts...and honestly I don't think Walter should really be redeemed in any way. He's gotten worse and worse and worse as the series as gone on, even at a breaking point in his character I feel like him turning "good" just isn't believable to me anymore.

For Walt "good" has always been anything pro-Walt's-family, and "bad" is anything that threatens Walt's family.   Returning Holly and giving Skyler an alibi are pro-family, and completely in character for him. 

Even the most evil villain thinks they're the hero of their personal story - Walt certainly thinks that.   Whether or not we outsiders see him as redeemable is our own business. smile

I do think returning Holly was partly because Walt realized she would be better off (for now) with Skyler... but also because Walt would be better off making his escape without an infant to have to care for.

Also:

http://www.pinkfive.com/images/post/methdamon.jpg

Well, okay then.  That happened. smile

I presume we're now going to close the loop and see Walt return home to take care of whatever business he's come to take care of.   Of course, gven the way this show likes to jump around in time we could get an entire flashback episode of Walt and Skyler's wedding for all I know.

The questions I'm most curious about now - why is Jesse still alive after all these months?  (Because he clearly will be.)   Is he the sole master of the blue meth and thus too valuable to get rid of?  Is he still a prisoner or is he running the show?   And good grief, Uncle Jack and co. already grabbed 70-some million dollars and they'll have been cooking for months... how much cash is piled up NOW?

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http://www.pinkfive.com/images/post/deceptive_practice_poster.jpg

Saw someone mention this in the chat, so I immediately opened iTunes and rented it.  Ha, first! Lame! Hitler!

Nothing particularly notable about the style or construction of the doc itself - not that there had to be.  It's well made and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.   

The point is the material, which - if you're into magic in general or Ricky Jay in particular - is fascinating and fun.  Especially the huge doses of archival footage.  If you've always wanted to see a nine-year-old Ricky Jay awkwardly pull a dove out of a tube on live television, this is your movie.

The big revelation for me personally was all the clips of Jay doing television in the '70s, when he was rocking the "hippie magician" look with long hair and beard.    I suddenly realized I'd seen a lot of those performances and liked that guy - I just never realized until I saw the doc that that guy was also Ricky Jay.

Anyway, if you want to see a lot of neato card tricks and get a glimpse into the world of people who are really really serious about stage magic - dive in.

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All right you bastards - I'm about to watch The Dark Crystal.  A movie I have felt no desire to rewatch for thirty years.

Whatever happens, it's on you.   See You Next Wednesday.

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Eddie wrote:

STORIES WE TELL.

So - based off that review I gave this one a watch tonight, and Stories We Tell gets a thumbs up from me as well.  It is really quite something. 

The story itself is a mindblower, but the movie about the story is also a fascinating construct - Sarah Polley is sort of the central character and yet presents herself as just another one of the participants... even as we also watch her directing the doc... it's a hell of a high wire act and yet it totally works. 

And then in the last third the whole thing loops back on itself and becomes recursive... I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.   If this one is ever a candidate for a Documentality episode, I volunteer to be there.

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That's a Teague question.  But I can say that your hotel is about 5 miles from FIYH Central and it's an easy route to get from one to the other, so that shouldn't be a problem.

If Teague says we're doing this then I'll give it the movie second watch and see how it compares to my memory of it from 30 years ago. smile

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Well, Farscape was 17 years after Dark Crystal, and in those 17 years the Creature Shop did Labyrinth, the Dinosaurs tv show, the Ninja Turtles movies and a slew of other things.  I dunno how much there was left to prove by the time they got to Farscape.  smile

And even Dark Crystal was pretty much universally acknowledged as a great technical and design achievement for the Creature Shop and Brian Froud etc... it just didn't catch on with audiences.   For me, I remember the coffee-table books were far more interesting than the movie itself.

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Darth Praxus wrote:

Oh Lord.

CONSUME CONSUME WE ARE DISNEY RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

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In the wide shots pretty much every character becomes a costume character -  I know the Skeksis, the Garthim and the Landstriders were all people in suits.  Gelflings too, I imagine, though I barely remember them.

I think the main difference between the closeup Skeksis and the wide shot Skeksis was that in the closeups the puppeteers didn't have to be in that backbreaking crouched position. smile

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The difference being that puppets with strings are properly called marionettes, yes.   One is the genus and the other is the species.  smile    There are also hand puppets, rod puppets, stick puppets, shadow puppets, etc.

Sesame Street-type Muppets are usually hand-and-rod puppets, even though Muppet is a combination of "marionette" and "puppet".  The name doesn't actually mean anything but it's memorable and that's what matters in a brand name.   I assume Roduppets didn't sound as good.

But I'd be surprised if there aren't marionettes in Dark Crystal somewhere.  I may not remember the movie that well, but I paid more attention to the making-of documentaries and books, and they pretty much used every kind of puppet.  Quite a few are actually costume characters (yet another species -  one that some puppeteers don't even consider to BE puppets although I'm okay with it).   

So I don't think you can define any movie more precisely than "all-puppet" since it's a pretty good bet that there's going to be a mix of puppet techniques on display.   We used rod puppets in Team America every chance we got, because marionettes are kind of a pain in the ass.  smile

Rob wrote:

Btw: The whole bit about Todd's uncle not wanting to wear a mask in the meth lab—that stuck out to me on second viewing as something that will be paid off later somehow

Another clue for my theory that we're headed for a "last cook" that will echo the very first one...

There's also the issue that the Bro's came to kill Jesse on Walt's orders - but whatever happens to Gomie and Hank, obviously Jesse's going to survive this showdown.

However the writers manage it, I suspect we'll see Walt and Jesse working together for one final cook, even though neither of them wants to be doing it.   And something that hasn't happened since the pilot episode is - a cook session going disastrously wrong.   Especially if Walt sabotages it on purpose, as in the pilot.

Not sure if that's where we're headed, but there'd be a nice symmetry to it...

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Marionettes are a subset of puppets.  They're the ones with strings. smile