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Google up "The Picture of Dorian Gray." I was doing a thing.
I'm kinda reluctant to share this, cause, y'know, whatever. But I've been working on a little project for about … um … three years now, and I thought maybe I'd show you guys a piece of it.
I can't emphasize this enough: this is just for fun. I've been doing this just to amuse myself, no other reason. So if it sucks or you hate it, well — and I say this with love — go to hell.
Anyway. Here.
Yeah, I probably should have mentioned that credit, but I just assumed everybody here knew about it.
I only saw the first of the, what, eleven or twelve now-extant Shrek movies. Any possible enjoyment was torpedoed by two things: the stale humor — don't try to put pop-cultural references in a movie that's gonna take three years to make, guys — and the way all the secondary character dynamics made me think of Supermarionation.
And on the talent front, don't underestimate the value of Brad Bird. As I've heard the story, "The Incredibles" was all him, from pitch to theater, and for my money that film is the best work Pixar's done so far. Which I think supports your point, rather than diminishing it: When you put the right kind of people together, sometimes they get lucky and attract more of the right kind of people.
I'm gonna resurrect this, 'cause I think Brian made a point that deserved maybe more attention than it got. It was this:
We've been listening to stories our entire lives and culturally for thousands and thousands of years. I think as a species, we've developed a finely honed intuition about when it's a story with a point and internal consistency and when it's just a bunch of shit that's happening.
I heard a guy say something one time: "Human beings are born with only three instinctive abilities: the ability to grasp with their hands, the ability to suckle with their mouths, and the ability to spot bad advertising."
I also once heard somebody describe the act of catching a baseball. Not like in the majors, but just in a backyard game of catch. I don't remember who said it or in what context, but the guy went into all this detail about how many calculations our minds have to work through in an amazingly short amount of time, just to catch a baseball.
I bring these two things up because I think Brian's absolutely right, but I really don't know whether it's cultural, whether it's instinctive, or whether it's a natural consequence of how we're wired.
Human beings are monkeys, biologically speaking. We're brachiators. We have long arms, ball joints in our shoulders, binocular vision. We're highly optimized for swinging through trees. Catching a baseball is no big shakes compared to that. Even though it's objectively really difficult — try to imagine building a robot that can catch a baseball — it's easy for us because it's a side-effect of our biology.
Maybe our innate bullshit detector is like that. Now, maybe this is all just silly, but go with me for a second. From the perspective of evolutionary biology, being able to spot inconsistencies in our environment below the level of conscious perception is a survival trait. If you have to spend all your time looking for the jaguar to avoid being pounced on, you're not going to be as effective at foraging or fucking or whatever it is your little monkey lifestyle demands. But if you can just sort of spot it out of the corner of your eye, and if some deep part of your brain sends out a surge of adrenaline, you're more likely to be able to avoid jaguars and pass on your genes.
Telling stories is lying, and we're evolved — in part — to be able to spot lies. Little things don't add up, somebody behaves out of character, some little inconsistency tickles that deep monkey brain and it's just like we're back in the jungle with the jaguars.
So telling stories to entertain is a balancing act, and telling stories to entertain for money is a very high-stakes balancing act. Everybody knows we're lying, but we have to lie just enough to amuse the audience without lying so much that their monkey brains spot the jaguar. (For purposes of discussion, the jaguar is the storyteller. My metaphor kinda fell apart at the end there.)
We talk about believability in acting all the time; this performance was believable, that one wasn't, whatever. But it's really hard to identify just what makes the difference between a believable performance and not. We can talk about it in broad strokes, sure. Overacting, wooden acting, bad timing, bad line readings, whatever. But when you really look close and try to analyze it, it's not anything you can describe. What makes a truly great performance truly great, rather than merely good? Dunno. It's something ineffable. Something that happens below the level of conscious perception. Something in our monkey brains.
I think that applies to storytelling as well, at least to an extent. It's not always possible to say precisely why a given story smashed through the limits of the audience's credulity. Obvious examples are obvious, of course, but sometimes it's too subtle for deconstruction. Sometimes a plot just doesn't work, for reasons known only to our million-years-ago ancestors.
Sometimes, despite our best efforts not to, we spot the jaguar.
Dude. Seriously. Props for the visual aids. (This is me taking the high ground instead of sniffing at you for making the rest of us look lazy.)
1. Rachel Weisz in her librarian glasses from "The Mummy." Second only to Rachel Weisz in that one shot in "The Mummy" you know the one I mean and I would so screenshot it for you if I had the DVD but I don't so here's this instead you're welcome.
2. Veronica Lake in "Sullivan's Travels." I don't know how else to say it, but something about her, her look, her performance, the whole thing … something just seems totally contemporary. It's hard to explain. She seems anachronistic.
3. Sarah Alexander. You've never heard of her. There was this BBC show — ahem, "programme" — in the 90s called "People Like Us." Fucking hilarious; you should look it up. Anyway, she played a flirtatious real-estate agent. It's enough to make you want to buy a house. In England. When you don't live there.
4. Famke Janssen. Do you guys remember the "Star Trek" episode she was in? True story. It was 1992, I was nineteen years old, and oh. My. God. Look at her in that, then look at a picture of her taken forty-five seconds ago. Stuffed in some attic somewhere is a painting of her that's getting uglier and uglier.
5. Kristen Stewart in "Into the Wild" and I really need you all to shut up right now 'cause she was over the age of consent at the time — barely — and I can't control who makes me stupid so don't hate. Besides, have you seen that one scene? The one where she tries to convince Emile Hirsch she's eighteen? Dude.
Next up: Top five best days of your life. Go. (Automatic disqualification for anybody who says "the day my baby was born," because seriously, that's just cheating.)
EDIT: OH DAMN EVERYTHING. Teague already asked that one. Okay … um … top five funniest jokes that are clean enough for you to tell your date's parents.
Oh, leave me alone. I drank a lot of coffee today, that's all.
Never having been to New York, I didn't even notice the geography.
But last night I was watching an episode of "The West Wing" — I think I mentioned I've been on a DVD binge lately — and Josh and Hoynes were out jogging on the Memorial Bridge here in DC. Josh makes a big dramatic speech, as he's wont to do, and smugly walks away, ostensibly back to the White House … away from the Lincoln and towards Virginia.
I had this idea in my head that like ten frames after the cut, he walked back across the frame sheepishly and said, "I gotta go that way."
Geography in movies is one of those things, like the amount of wine in glasses and the lengths of cigarettes, that I try my best just to ignore. The story is more important than continuity of incidental props, or of geography. And whoever it was that directed that episode I watched didn't give a good goddamn — rightly! — about where Virginia was relative to the characters. He wanted to compose the shot with the Lincoln Memorial in the background, and if you don't actually live here and pass that Memorial on the way to work every day, you'd never know it was anything other than a nicely composed and all-around gorgeous shot.
Plus back in the early years of the last decade I wrote a novel, and when faced with a conflict between real-world geography and the needs of my plot, I went with plot every time. It'd be hypocritical to whine about it when others do the same.
EDIT: I guess I should make a token attempt to stay on-topic. I forget which commentary it was — Constantine probably — where you guys talked about "Legion," and the consensus was that nobody, like anywhere, had seen it. Well I rented it on the strength of that, and I think you should do that one. Assuming you guys don't care for it — and I think that's a very safe assumption — I'd love to hear what you think about where and how it went wrong.
Plus Adrianne Palicki and Paul Bettany are in it, so there's some rowr-factor for people of all tastes.
(Edited a second time 'cause verbs are cool. Stay in verbs, kids.)
"Schindler's List" is … well, it's kinda hard to say, really. Is it possible for a movie to be an utterly superlative example of the craft, deserving of every accolade you could smear on it … and pretty irrelevant in the context of the medium's latter-day history at the same time?
Anyway. My list:
1. Twelve Angry Men
2. Battleship Potemkin
3. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
4. The Searchers
5. Days of Heaven/Badlands (a twofer)
6. Godfather II. And guys? Seriously? For nearly a year, I've had the DVD sitting right here. Right on my table. I've just never once, in that entire year, been in the mood to watch it.
Oh, and until just recently, I was humiliated because I — an Errol Morris fanboy through and through — had never seen "The Thin Blue Line." I rectified that a few months back, thanks to Netflix, and my conclusion was pretty much that yup, I was a moron for not watching it sooner.
Oh, come on. Alien Resurrection was not an objectively bad movie. It ranks way above, say, Pandorum.
Alien vs. Predator, on the other hand, was just boring.
I second that. I'd like to hear what the DIF hive thinks of that movie.
(Er. I guess I could just keep that on my clipboard and paste it in here whenever somebody makes a good suggestion.)
Mumble grumble wrong coast grumble grouse. Hrmph.
Talking of which, the TV show "Lost in Space" was also scored by a very young Johnny Williams. He wrote the themes (including the absolutely kick-ass third-season theme) and a lot of the incidental music.
If you're in the mood for funny, get "Murder By Death." The cast will blow your mind. David Niven, Peter Falk, Maggie Smith, Peter Sellers, Alec Guinness and Truman fricking Capote. It's awesome.
The Core. I'm just not ready for T3.
Oh, man, yeah. Seconding "The Ice Storm." Astonishing film.
Also, "The Girlfriend Experience," by Soderbergh.
"Network." 1976. One of my all-time favorite films, period. In a world where "satire" seems to have lost its meaning entirely, this is one of the few movies that really nails the concept. It's a masterpiece.
My apologies, 'cause I'm pretty sure I'm responsible for the most-polarizing thing. I meant that opinions on the forum are polarized. It's not my fault the guys on the podcast are all tasteless hacks.
(I kid because I love. No, seriously. Please don't ban me.)
Hey, you know what I just realized? We don't know yet what's coming next week. Are we skipping the holiday weekend?
I'm posting this here not just cause it's fucking awesome, but also 'cause of the music, which you might recognize.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQsRPJ1dYw
We're gonna see these little guys on Mars in twenty years. Mark my words.
I wasn't there for the Lost party, so I kinda feel like I'm butting into an overheard conversation.
We can talk about magic beans and Wonderland, but really what we're dancing around is the notion of willing suspension of disbelief. All stories are false; that's what distinguishes stories from histories. But some stories aren't merely false, but impossibly false. Sometimes authors spew out shit that's just completely ridiculous, but the audience goes along with it anyway. The audience has, for whatever reason, chosen to check their disbelief at the door for the duration of that story.
I'm gonna tell you guys now about one of my all-time favorite shows. You've probably heard of it. It was a speculative-fiction-type show, set in a universe parallel to ours. The world of the show was almost identical to ours, but not precisely. Some major details were different. There were different countries, the maps were different, recent history was different. The whole premise of the show revolved around some event sometime in the 70s that caused the in-show universe's timeline to diverge from our own. It was a big mystery on top of which this character-driven story was constructed. The show always played a little fast-and-loose with the chronology — they did a lot of flashbacks, in particular — but in the last couple seasons the writers got more ambitious, playing with flash-forwards and Rashomon-style point-of-view shifts. But under it all, throughout the whole show, there was this one underlying mystery.
And you know what? That central mystery of how the two timelines diverged, the big back-story of just exactly what happened to cause the differences? It was never explained. The finale came and went, and absolutely no explanations were ever offered for it.
I am, of course, talking about "The West Wing."
Now Jeffery, you say. Surely you are being silly. Surely you are making up lies to entertain strangers over the Internet. But I say to you that I am not. Think about it. In the universe of "The West Wing," not only is there a different president, but they have their presidential elections in the wrong years! Obviously it's a parallel universe that diverged at some point from our own.
And yes, there were Internet people who got lost in the tall grass on that one. Here's my personal favorite fan theory: When Agnew resigned, Nixon appointed Ford to be the new vice president, just like in our world. When Nixon subsequently resigned himself, Ford succeeded him becoming the only president in US history to assume the office without ever having been elected as either president or vice president — again, as in our world. The point of divergence is that, seeing a possible Constitutional crisis looming, Congress called for a special election in November of 74, in which Ford won a full term and was reelected in 78 — he was eligible for two full terms under the 22nd — which threw the cadence of elections off, leading to Bartlet being elected in 98.
But that's just a fan theory. I read it on the Internet. It's not in the story itself. In the story, Bartlet's the president, elections happen on different years, and that's just how it is. It doesn't matter. It doesn't bother anybody. And the fact that how-this-all-came-to-be was never explained didn't stop the show from becoming one of the most acclaimed and popular shows ever until Sorkin quit and the new fucker Wells left Leo dying in the woods and I absolutely refused ever to watch another episode after that. Fucker.
Ahem. Anyway.
An author always proposes to make a deal with his audience. He says, "If you give me your attention and your credence, I will captivate you." Notice that's an equation with three variables: attention, credence and captivation. If the author doesn't captivate the audience, it doesn't really matter how much attention or credence he asked for; even a five-minute, totally-grounded short film can bore. On the other hand, if the story is sufficiently captivating, the audience will go along with anything, and virtually for as long as the author keeps talking. In that way, we are all still children. When we reach the end of a beloved bedtime story, we all want to ask, "And then what happened?"
Though I didn't participate in the whole Lost thing myself, it sounds like a lot of people got suckered into a different kind of deal with the authors. It sounds like the deal those authors pitched was, "If you give me your attention, I will tell you a secret." Maybe you were captivated along the way, maybe you weren't, I dunno, that's between you and your God. But from what I've heard over the past couple days, at least a few people (mostly folks I know on Twitter) were, by the end, only in it for the answers. And those folks came away disappointed. Because at the very end, the authors pulled a Vader and altered the deal. "No, no," they said. "You were supposed to be captivated this whole time. See, it's not about the secret, it's about the characters."
To which at least a few of my acquaintances said, "Fuck that shit."
My advice, if I were in an advice-handing-out mood, would be to be ever suspicious of an author who promises you great wonders tomorrow in exchange for your attention today. Appealing to pure monkey curiosity is easy, and rarely worth doing.
But underneath all this wankery is a concept I call "the stupid line." I call it that because I just don't know how else to describe it. At least with me, there sometimes comes a point where a tiny homunculus of Graham Chapman appears in my head dressed in a brigadier's uniform and goes "Right, stop this now, this is entirely too silly." I don't always see him coming, either. Often I'm right with the author all the way — "and then the daddy fish meets another fish with anterograde amnesia, yes, yes, and then what?" — until wham. Suddenly we've hit the stupid line.
The stupid line is, for me, the point where I'm no longer sufficiently captivated to extend the author any more credit. It might be because I've been asked too much all at once — the second magic bean, in Brian's terms — or it might be because I think I'm gonna have to shell out more attention than I want to get to the good part. For me, Lost fell into the second category. Roundabout the middle of the first season I suddenly just couldn't be arsed any more, because I was of the opinion that the authors were more interested in setting things up than paying things off. And frankly, the characters weren't sufficiently interesting to me to justify sitting on my couch for an hour a week watching inexplicable shit happen in an inexplicable place.
But that's just me.
Sorry. I used way too many words.
It's not so much that I also want you to do Primer. It's that I want to know why you're not doing it right now.
Nearly every technique has been done better in movies since
Maybe, maybe not. But that's sort of beside the point, when you factor in the historical context of the fact that those things had never been done before.
I did stop watching Lost a while back, but I'm not gonna brag about it. I'm actually kind of disappointed. My best friend was a faithful Lost viewer, and I always felt like he was in on something that I was missing out on.
Anyway, no, I'm not here to tell you what I thought of the finale. Instead, lemme just say this:
In my mind, there are three kinds of serial entertainments — and this goes for books, movies, TV shows, any medium where a serialized story is being told. There are the stories where you keep watching/reading/whatever because you have to find out what's going to happen next, or how it all ends. Think the old Republic cliffhanger serials. Then there are the stories where you don't really care that much what events occur in the plot; you're just hooked on the characters or the setting or the writing or whatever. Finally, there are the stories where an ambiguity has been set up and you're just dying to know what it means.
In my experience, types one and three — the plot-driven and the mystery-driven serials — are always a let-down on some level or another when they finally end.
I'll give you a for-instance. I got out of the habit of watching "The West Wing" after the start of the fifth season. Sorkin left, they radically changed styles, and I just wasn't enjoying it any more. So I turned it off and didn't go back.
That meant that, effectively, "The West Wing" ended for me with Zoe's kidnapping and Bartlet's middle-of-the-night resignation. (Er. Spoiler alert for a seven-year-old story.)
If I'd been watching 'cause I wanted to see how it all played out, or 'cause there was some mystery that wanted solving, that would have been the least satisfying finale ever. But as it is, I actually kind of enjoy stopping there. Because it's organic, to borrow a grotesquely overused phrase. What happens in that storyline makes perfect sense, and how it ends is inevitable in light of how it began. So I can pop in the DVDs, watch right up through that episode, turn them off and go on about my life secure in the opinion that it was pretty much the best TV series ever.
I think whether you enjoyed the Lost finale probably depends on whether you were watching for the plot, or for the mystery, or for something else. If you were in it for the plot — as I was, back when I watched the first season-and-a-bit — then I really don't think any ending could have felt truly satisfying.
"Desperado," with shots of rotgut tequila.
"Top Gun," with cheap American beer in cans.
"The Maltese Falcon," with bourbon stashed in the bottom desk drawer.
"From Russia with Love," with gin martinis because fuck Bond, vodka martinis are just nasty.
And "The Fountain," with expensive imported lightly carbonated bottled water so as to maintain the perfect clarify of mind that that film requests — no, demands of its audience.
Top five euphemisms for conspicuous and decisive public failure.
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