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I rewrote this as a blog post, and I added another point that I really think ties everything together.

So, this was sold from the beginning as a film about two sisters and the unique bond they share. That’s not an area that movies explore a lot in general, let alone movies for kids, so it’s a great initiative. However, since Frozen can’t get a solid grip on Elsa or her relationship with Anna, the majority of the movie is just The Adorkable Hour starring Anna and Kristoff. This goes back to the idea that their “sisterly bond” is totally arbitrary. The film just wants you accept it, and it assumes that you do. So we get an adventure between two cute but awkward people who won’t admit their feelings for each other, and you’re meant to just keep in mind that there’s a bigger throughline happening. To an extent, this is all building up to the big twist with Prince Hans, which is phenomenal. But Frozen sells you a bill of goods when it comes to the sisterhood stuff.

So how do you fix this? Well, the nature of the story demands that Elsa and Anna be separated, so it’s admittedly tough to have their relationship be the focus. Their meeting in Elsa’s ice castle has to happen a lot sooner, and it has to have much larger consequences for both characters. Anna’s relentless optimism should be shattered when Elsa hurts her with her powers. In the film we get, Anna has no emotional reaction, and the “frozen heart” stuff exists only to add some drama to the climax and to set up one of those great trope subversions. This is at the halfway point of the film, so it’s a great opportunity for Anna and Elsa to completely switch roles. For Elsa, this is the moment when she realizes that she’s gone too far, when she understands that giving in to her repressed desires is even worse than keeping them trapped inside, and when she decides that her sister was right all along. But for Anna, this is the moment when she realizes that she was wrong about Elsa, and that maybe her big sister doesn’t care about her as much as she cares about her big sister. Anna can’t be saintly and patient enough not to be annoyed to some extent with Elsa’s behavior throughout their lives, but up until this point that had been overpowered by her love. When Elsa seems to deliberately hurt her, all that goes away, and her repressed feelings of anger and resentment come to the surface. If you want, you could even say that this is because her heart’s been frozen. That’s obviously the metaphor, but since there’s magic it’s okay to make it literal.

And here’s the really cool part. You have Kristoff console Anna and try to convince her that “family is super-important no matter what or whatever,” but Anna rejects him and goes back to the castle alone. Now she’s shut herself off, just like Elsa. It’s not until her “true love” completely betrays her that she realizes what “true love” actually means. At which point Elsa returns, and the climax plays out as it already does. Now we have a far more thematically resonant and coherent story, and it’s actually focused on a sisterly relationship.

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Saw that French film Intouchables a few days ago. It's pretty bland. Standard paint-by-numbers buddy movie. Omar Sy is great though.

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dj_bakerman wrote:

Wow, they did a callback that's just as funny as the original.

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Darth Praxus wrote:

I only just now realized he's saying "descender of the demon horde" instead of "defender" and oh god what is happening.

It's because he descends them. Like, he makes them go down. Into Hell. Brilliant writing.

I saw it yesterday. It's terri-great. I laughed my ass off. None of the actors are capable of selling the idiotic dialogue, least of all Aaron Eckhart. Miranda Otto's LOTR experience helps her out, but even she can't get away with lines like, "I am High Queen of the Gargoyle Order."

I'll let you see it for yourself, because it's truly amazing, but I do want to share one detail. The Gargoyle Headquarters is not only in the same city as the Demon Headquarters, but they're within walking distance of each other. And the Gargoyles apparently didn't know that.

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Now there's a subversion of a Disney trope! It'd play like a sick exaggeration of the "family is everything" theme that the movie already has going on. "Family is everything, so you'll join ours and we don't care how many people have to die to make that happen."

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Dorkman wrote:

Olaf has to stay though.

Damn right he does.

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Teague wrote:

Great post.

I've been fighting my own weird, stupid battles about the tunes in this flick. Haven't even managed to critique the story yet, and now you've done it for me.

Hooray!

Thanks! It's weird, I totally wasn't planning to go all-out in this post. I guess I had more problems with Frozen than I thought.

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I don't hate this film, but I did have some big problems with the story. There are two big things and then a few little things, so I'll break it into sections.

Fix One

I thought they made a major mistake with the relationship between Anna and Elsa. Their relationship, as shown on-screen, goes like this:

Elsa has magic ice powers that she can't control. When she's little she accidentally hurts Anna, so their parents have the stone trolls (ugh) erase Elsa's powers from Anna's memory. After that, Anna never sees Elsa again. Oh, sure, the film wants us to assume that they had some contact in the following decade-plus, but it doesn't show it. Elsa stays inside her room and tries to learn how to control her powers, with little success. Anna constantly tries to reach out, and is always rejected. Here's where I started to have problems.

During the ballroom scene after Elsa's coronation, they have a conversation, and they talk as though they're total strangers. Anna is awkward and isn't sure how to address Elsa, but she clearly wants to make a connection. However, that action implies that they don't already have a connection. One of the themes of Frozen is "Family is super important and you should always stick by them and stuff," and that's great, but as a story the film fails to justify Anna's actions after Elsa flees. Their sisterly bond is totally arbitrary. Based on what the film shows us, Anna has no real reason to believe that Elsa is redeemable. She knows nothing about Elsa, because they haven't had any contact in years. A single scene of Elsa doing something kind for Anna (without coming out of hiding) would have gone a long way towards fixing this.

So here's my fix: Don't erase Anna's memory. Honestly, that's what it all comes down to. Cut the trolls entirely and have Anna know about Elsa's powers the entire time.

What does this solve? Well, kind of a lot. Anna's pleas to Elsa to open up to her are much more meaningful if Anna knows why Elsa keeps her distance. She knows that she can be hurt, but she doesn't care. She loves her sister anyway. The film as it stands gives us this, but it's not set up in a completely believable way. In the "Do You Want To Build a Snowman" number, young Anna is confused when Elsa all of a sudden abandons her. So whenever she goes to Elsa's door and asks her to come out, for all she knows Elsa is just being a jerk.

Anna's steadfast belief that Elsa can be a good person is also more meaningful if they have a longer history, so we can't have more than ten years without any interaction between them. Like I mentioned, they really should have had just one scene of Elsa doing something nice for Anna. In a montage like that, we only need the one. Anna is a fundamentally hopeful character, but it's better if the audience knows that her hope is justified.

Apparently, the decision to make Anna and Elsa sisters came fairly late in the game, and that doesn't surprise me at all. Their relationship is supposed to be the core of the film, but it feels so forced.

Fix Two

So, let's talk about Let It Go, and why it doesn't make any sense. I don't hate the song itself, and removed from the context of the film it's a great empowerment anthem. That said, it doesn't fit into the film whatsoever. The filmmakers clearly struggled with understanding who Elsa is, and there's no better example than this song. They animate her in a few different ways, and none of them are consistent with the way she acts in the rest of the film. Her sassy smirks at the end and when she undoes her cape are from a completely different character. Same goes for her gleeful, childlike run to the gorge where she builds the staircase. Neither of those character traits are present in the rest of the film. We see her being afraid and meek, and we see her briefly being aggressive and violent. Was she supposed to be an outright villain at some point? Maybe Let It Go was meant to soften her. I dunno.

At first, her emotional breakdown at the castle unleashes a massive blizzard which covers the entire land in a ton of snow. She runs off to a mountain, and realizes that she has no reason to hide her powers anymore because everyone knows about them now. She takes off her gloves, starts experimenting with what she can do, and builds a massive, intricate ice fortress on the side of the mountain.

So, right off the bat we have some big issues. We're supposed to believe that Elsa can barely control her powers, but that staircase and that castle look stunningly perfect. And she makes both of them without a second thought. When did she learn to do this? It's probably just instinctual. But even so, her creations should be roughshod and kinda crappy at first. Unless she was secretly practicing ice architecture...during the years that she completely failed to control her abilities. (Hey, maybe a quick scene where she makes Anna a mini ice castle for Anna's birthday or something? Would have made a major difference.) Also, I guess these magic powers to control ice and snow also extend to changing the color of her dress and creating a new cape? Not to mention the fact that she can create fully-intelligent sentient beings. The lack of limitations to Elsa's powers is pretty sloppy writing.

Anyway, Let It Go is such a bizarre addition to the film, because it loudly announces a character change that doesn't actually happen. Elsa doesn't let anything go. She's still the exact same person. She shuts herself away in a castle and is obsessed with making sure that no one gets near her. She lets it go at the very end of the film, that's for sure. She lets go of her fear and anxiety. That's the metaphor the song was going for that the film didn't follow through on.

If she's gonna "Let It Go," she should have done so. Elsa should have been a character who had been keeping all her emotions (and magic powers) bottled up inside her for her entire life, such that when she lets them out she does a total 180. Elsa should have been more openly villainous, and then her redemption would have meant something. And I don't mean that she should have been evil. I just mean that she should have given in to her hedonistic, repressed urges and loved doing it. Her argument then becomes, "Look, I can't control it no matter how hard I try, so there's no point in trying. It's better to let it all out." Remember, Elsa's had close to zero contact with other people her entire life. Make her super misanthropic! And because of that, she doesn't immediately comprehend the damage that she's causing to innocent people. Then her arc becomes about learning the value of balance instead of just learning the value of love. And you can do all of this without making it too emotionally complex for a kid's movie!

Fix Three

Recast Idina Menzel.

I know this is heresy, and she's obviously a fantastic singer. But her performance as Elsa is totally flat. Now, does the script give her much to work with? Not really. But she stays firmly at that level, and she doesn't make the character her own. It's a standout disappointment in an otherwise great cast.

Fix Four

Yeesh, those character models. The character animation in general is weird.

Anna and Elsa are basically Rapunzel. It's all in those big eyes, but even the way they move is reminiscent of her. It really feels like they took a stock character model and stuck new hair and clothes on it. As for the animation itself, it sort of feels like they spent a lot more time on the snow effects than on the characters. I'm not an animator, so I can't articulate it well, but there's something off about it. I dunno. Maybe I'm crazy. But I stand by the design point.

Fix Five

Cut the trolls. There's no purpose to them beyond healing Anna, but since "love thaws" there's not much reason to have them there. I was so confused when they popped up. "Wait, there's fantasy creatures in this too?" If you're reading this and you've seen the film, I bet you forgot all about them until you got to this part. I certainly don't think of them when I think of Frozen. And since I saw the film months after it came out and I didn't know they were in there, I doubt many other people do either. I like Kristoff's eccentricity, though. Just have his family be quirky mountain men. Same deal, but you don't have an out-of-place second magic bean.

Fix Six

"I don't know if I'm elated or gassy/But I'm somewhere in that zone."

You cannot be serious with that lyric.

Fix Seven

Cut the Duke of Weselton. Sorry Alan Tudyk, but this character serves very little purpose. He could have been a great red herring, and I think that was the intent, but they don't play him up enough as a villain to make that really work.

Fix Eight

This one is totally petty, but...is this a musical or what? Because if you imagine a stage version of Frozen with an act-one break, there's only one song in act two. It's like they used all their musical numbers to introduce characters and then just ran out.



That's it. There's a lot about this film that I absolutely love, especially in how it subverts classic Disney tropes. And I think that's the main reason that people have gone so crazy for it. But it's the great things about it that make its flaws seem even worse. It's too bad. Frozen had the potential to be the greatest Disney movie in a very long time. It's not, though, despite its fantastic themes and messages, and that's what really hurts.

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Thinking back to some of that dialogue, I think maybe we're supposed to understand that she had depression, but that she got something of a handle on it. And then this enormous, violent tragedy happens up in space and it all comes flooding back.

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At one point she just gives up and is ready to let herself die, and it takes Ghost Clooney to convince her to live for her daughter or something.

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Jet wrote:

Would you have liked the film even more if you found out Redford's character was some kind of reprobate or criminal by the end of the film or is it more daring that his character's ambiguity endures through the whole movie?

I think All Is Lost works so well because Redford has no backstory. He could be a serial killer, or he could be the President. But when you're alone and your boat starts sinking in the middle of nowhere, none of that matters.

He also said that he wants to include Dern in his next project anyway, because he feels bad. I think he's more pissed at Dern's agent for distributing it.

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Yeah, if Gravity was a metaphor for "overcoming depression," it would be kinda shitty, because the implication would be, "Hey depressed people! Maybe you should, like, try really hard to not be depressed. That should fix it!" The idea of rebirth makes a lot more sense with the backstory.

Trey wrote:

I am, however, amazed and impressed that All Is Lost dared to give us no back story whatsoever and run with a main character about whom we don't know a damn thing except that his boat is busted.    In this day and age, that's a daring choice to have made.

Totally agree. It just occurred to me today that All Is Lost is probably the sort of film Ernest Hemingway would have made.

Good point. I will say that I don't understand why people on Twitter flipped out about this. We knew next to nothing about this project. As long as he keeps making movies, I don't care which ones he chooses to make.

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Dorkman wrote:
Doctor Submarine wrote:

I would have loved to see a more universal, almost existential story using that framework.

I probably would have hated it. GRAVITY's strength, IMO, is its simplicity. The fact that it isn't complicated isn't the same as not being good.

Ah, well there's where we split. If Gravity told a simpler story, I would have liked that version more. The stuff with Bullock's backstory and her daughter and her sadness just didn't do anything for me, and I don't think it necessarily strengthened the movie. Especially given the somewhat heavy-handed way the script treats that backstory.

There's something else going on here. Inglourious Basterds and Django both leaked during pre-production, and that sure didn't stop him. He clearly didn't have a lot of stake in this project. Could also have something to do with Harvey Weinstein's recent "I'm not doing any more violent movies" announcement.

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I'm starting to come to terms with Gravity and my love/hate relationship with it. First, I think it's a brilliant piece of cinema. As a work of art in that medium, it's undoubtedly one of the best ever produced. Second, I don't think it's a great movie. I think that using the vast, endless expanse of space to tell a super personal story about one character is interesting, but a mistake. I would have loved to see a more universal, almost existential story using that framework. But that's pretty much just All Is Lost.

So, yeah. Gravity isn't all that great as a story. But the way that it uses its art form to tell its story is just phenomenal. I don't know if that makes any sense, but whatever.

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Saniss wrote:

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think rating a film like this is pointless. I'd be way more interested in reading a review, even as short as one sentence.

Yeah, I actually agree. I was being sarcastic in my post (obviously) but I think it's pointless to just give a rating and not at least give a brief explanation.

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Giving American Hustle a half-point more than Her is a travesty, and only giving Her a 7 is bad enough as it is. Please elaborate on your opinion.

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OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE.

But seriously, if you've ever seen a loony conspiracy video on Youtube, you know that this video nails every detail. Right down to the music.

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Teague wrote:

"If you're the sort of person who likes movies that you don't like, you're gonna love this movie."
- Brian Finifter, joking about Upstream Color


I don't think Brian had seen the movie when he said this, and I don't know if he's seen it since - he was actually just kidding, I think. But it occurs to me is a fairly trenchant observation about the different types of enjoyment people get out of films.

Huh. It totally is. Then again, I don't think it's a binary thing for each person, or even each movie. I loved Upstream Color, and I really enjoyed Pacific Rim. But that's because I didn't go to each film looking for the same thing. If I'd gone to UC expecting the thrill, excitement, and fun of PR, I would have hated it. And if I went into PR expecting the lyricism, complexity, and emotional depth of UC, I would've hated that film too.

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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13024

The Gravity Blu-Ray is going to feature something called the "Silent Space Version." No idea what that refers to, but I'm extremely curious. Obviously they already removed the sound effects/explosions, so maybe this is a version without the score?

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Rob wrote:

If you listen to some of the criticisms people out there have made about WOLF OF WALL ST -- it glorifies the misdeeds of the 1-percent (it doesn't), it re-writes history in morally questionable ways (it doesn't, not really) -- those are sort of the criticisms I'd make of MR. BANKS. A powerful corporate entity plays fast & loose with the facts in service of a narrative that makes them look awesome. That's gross.

God I hate that movie.

Wouldn't it be amazing if Saving Mr. Banks did what Wolf of Wall Street did, and it was a veiled critique/satire of the corporate moviemaking process?

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Well, this race just got a lot more interesting.

In an unprecedented tie, the PGA gave its highest honor to both 12 Years a Slave and Gravity. Since the winner of that award has gone on to win Best Picture the past 6 years in a row (and most of the time before that), this complicated things. Ah, this is fun!

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Remember the last time she won? It was a pretty big upset then too. In fact I think in her acceptance speech she said something like, "Well, I know this is never going to happen again." She's the John Williams of acting. They'll nominate her no matter what she does, because everyone knows she's so damn good, but because of that they'd rather recognize other performers most of the time.

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Another thing to remember about SAG is who makes up the membership body. My friend's boyfriend is in SAG because he acted in commercials and "random episodes of bad tv shows" (her words) as a child. Still gets a bunch of screeners and a ballot each year. College-aged kid, keep in mind. Hasn't acted in many years. He rarely even watches all the eligible films.

His little brother is also in SAG, also gets all the screeners. You might know him from such roles as "Kid In The First 15 Seconds" from this The Lonely Island music video.