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I feel like we've covered the duel a lot already, but as for Rey mind tricking the trooper:
I don't think that's at all a stretch because exactly one scene prior we saw Kylo breaking into her mind and her fighting back. We know she's just witnessed someone use the Force to attempt to read a mind and that she's resisted it; it's not a big leap from breaking into minds to suggesting those minds do things. And it's not as if she succeeded at first either, it took three tries.
At the end of the day Luke using the Force to take down the Death Star would seem to come out of nowhere as well, but we all accept that just fine. Not sure why this scenario is any different.
In that vein, on r/starwars it was suggested that Ackbar, upon seeing BB-8's hologram, burst out with "It's a map!" I lol'ed.
Everyone on the speculation threads on TFN and r/starwars desperately want to believe he's Plagueis. This despite the fact that a.) Palpatine is explicitly said to have killed him, b.) his species in-canon isn't Snoke's, and c.) Disney is distancing themselves as far from the prequels as possible. I personally got really damn excited when it looked like he was gonna be an eldritch abomination, to the point where I was almost disappointed to see his hologram fade out.
Whatever he is, I can't wait to see more of him--more Serkis in my Star Wars, please. The mocap was great, too--his being a hologram and being softly lit probably helped there, because while Maz is also great, the texturing on her in particular, the eyes entered uncanny valley for me when she was in bright light.
I'm going back and forth on whether to rate this movie higher than RotJ. That one had an incredible climax mixed with a wildly uneven everything else, while TFA, for me, is a mostly awesome everything else mixed in with a half-lackluster climax. I think TFA has the edge in that, in RotJ, all the interesting character action happens in the throne room, whereas TFA is filled with nothing *but* interesting/endearing characters. We forgive RotJ largely because of one sequence (well, two, the space battle and the throne room are distinct), while imo TFA only has one sequence that needs forgiveness (the almost-afterthought of the fighter attack on Starkiller Base). And even though it's a major flaw, I can already tell on the rewatch that'll matter less because I'm so eager to experience Rey and Finn and Poe and Kylo again.
Keep in mind that bowcaster is insanely powerful--it's shown as knocking people off their feet when they get shot. And Finn has most likely had melee combat training as a stormtrooper (they do have that riot gear, after all). Add to that the fact that Kylo is pretty volatile and inexperienced and I think it's an even enough match up. Viewing Kylo as a badass is the wrong approach to take, I think--they're very clearly presenting him as a childish, confused figure who *wants* to be Vader but is in no way capable of it. The trick with the blaster bolt is cool, but largely flash, not a lot of substance, compared to Vader just absorbing the bolts with his palm.
One thing that the film absolutely nailed is exactly what Dorkman told Abrams to nail in his open letter--the characters. Finn and Poe are each such damn fun, and Rey is completely badass and endearing without being a Mary Sue. Kylo is such a compelling villain, he's completely different from a Vader clone and is in a lot of ways what Anakin should have been. That's true of all the new leads, none of them is a copy of an OT character, they're all completely new people. Even if I'd had a middling response to the film rather than the mostly-love that I did, I would still go back to VIII without hesitation for these characters.
Really enjoyed it, but I'm not at all sure how I feel about the climax. I didn't feel Starkiller Base had enough buildup, and the tension of the third act suffers as a result--the final duel is intense as all hell, but the dogfight feels almost like an afterthought.
Also not sure how to feel about Han's death, I love what they've done with Kylo but I don't think they gave us enough of his and Han's relationship for it to truly feel meaningful.
That said, I absolutely loved a lot of the rest of it and will be enumerating how as we discuss, I'm sure. Just wanted to get my only big complaints out of the way up front.
The first thing I thought was "God, I feel bad for Brian."
Seriously, this looks like hot trash. Granted, trailers can be all kinds of misleading, but all the PR they've done for this movie has been saying they're going for a more cerebral tone, and *this* is the first thing they give us?
Don't get me wrong, I don't at all like TNG, and I love the funny adventurous feel of TOS. But there was always a balance between fun and thought there, and that balance is nowhere to be seen here. This was their first chance to prove to us that this movie was gonna be what was promised, and they blew it. And that's not even touching the problem of yet another cheap callback to earlier films.
Also, the fact that Pegg's initial script was rejected for being "too Star Trek" has me all sorts of concerned.
I'll still go see it, of course, and I'll try my hardest to reserve judgment as this is only the first teaser. But god, this makes me sad.
Awesome, I look forward to listening!
@Fireproof, the movie had such potential but just floundered. Some striking visuals and really cool moments stirred into a whole bunch of mediocre/disappointing/etc. Not anything to do with ScarJo, though, she was fantastic as always.
I'll fully admit that I have a pretty visceral distaste for it, probably more than it deserves. For me, in addition to its mediocre writing and its reliance on pop culture as a crutch, it's just so masturbatory. It's unhealthy, IMO, and it's the exact sort of fantasy I'd have had a few years ago--the whole world becomes obsessed with the things I like, I get the perfect girl without having to undergo any personal change whatsoever, etc. etc. Sure, Cline pays lip service to the notion that you have to get off the computer and have real relationships, but that's not a theme that's prevalent throughout the book, it's sorta just dropped at the end as an escape route. All of which wouldn't bother me nearly so much if the book did have interesting things to say about all the pop culture stuff, but it just doesn't.
It's kinda like the WAYDM crew feel about Pan's Labyrinth, for me. If it weren't so universally acclaimed I wouldn't have nearly as much hate for it, but as is the overwhelming love coupled with its flaws coupled with my overwhelming dislike for nostalgia porn just made it the perfect storm. I don't begrudge someone their enjoyment of it, just like I don't think someone is an awful person for liking TPM, but I just had this visceral hatred for it that I had to exorcise.
I was extremely disappointed to find Brian's Twitter empty of thoughts on the subject. ![]()
I'm dubious about Kurtzman's involvement, but at the end of the day it's new Trek in its proper medium. I'm excited ![]()
Drunken FIYH people ranting about Star Wars is just what I need, eeeeeeexcellent. ![]()
So I've been seeing competing estimates on this all over the place and thought it'd be an interesting conversation to have here--will this film beat Jurassic World's opening weekend despite being a December release? Does it have a shot at beating Avatar for all-time box office champ? I was dubious of the former as it's a winter release, but it seems to have shattered every single presale record known to humankind, which is an encouraging sign. At the same time, I know Star Wars fans, like any fandom, live in an insular bubble, so our hype might not match the rest of the world's (though again, box office and trailer views would seem to be good indicators).
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