Looking good, Zarban!
You guys keep up the excellent work. I can't wait to see more
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Looking good, Zarban!
You guys keep up the excellent work. I can't wait to see more
Ewing wrote:More disinfo from the Tusken Raider apologists of the New Republic.
That's Native Tusken Tatooinian to you, you invading Imperial scum.
Please bear with me.
In the 80's, I watched Star Wars many times on TV. I did not see films in a theater until I was in my late teens/early 20's. Do you recall Luke saying he saw a sandperson? What was he talking about? There is no sandperson on screen. The TV version cut that side of the film. It bugged me for over a decade until I finally saw a letterbox version of the film.
In Wild Wild West, the Fresh Prince is in a water tower with a lady early in the movie. It's unhygienic. It's highly unlikely anyone would do that. When the tower falls and he is unscathed, it is improbable. But, these things establish the style and tone of the movie. The fact that the naked sexy lady vanishes is...problematic. I am slightly invested in the character after seeing her all nakedy. A falling water tower could crush and kill someone. Did she die? Did she land just as safely, grab a blanket and run off? I don't know and I am left confused.
CinemaSins is just what they claim to be. They count the things in movies that they choose to call "sins". These are not an indicator of how amusing the movie will be, etc. But, there is often a correlation between high or low counts and good or bad movies (in my opinion of movie enjoyment). It's just like the audience % on RottenTomatoes. It suggests there may or may not be something you won't like. As an example, lots of things bugged me in HP and the Order of the Phoenix (the book also). Everything that took me out of the movie or annoyed me or broke my suspension of disbelief was mentioned by CinemaSins. I do not look for these things. The term 'fridge logic' confounded me for over a year as it occurred to me immediately that a fridge is not protection from an atomic blast; That simply being hurled a distance in a fridge would pulp poor Indy. As another example, the end of Edge of Tomorrow is deeply flawed and confusing. I may watch it again but I cannot call it a great movie, as a result. I see these things and it is my curse that I cannot stop seeing them.
TREY:
I have loved your insights and value your experience.
If the following quotes refer only about people who broadcast about film mistakes, you are name-calling and insulting and it's pretty harsh.
However, if you are talking about everyone who notices these things, I'd like an apology. You are entitled to your opinion of nit-picking, but these are not things you say to a person unless you are trying to hurt them. You certainly hurt my feelings (and that is hard to admit)."I'm going to hear from those jack-offs and who cares. That's just life. But, Fuck those people. Being one of those people I think is it's own punishment because what kind of human does that? I mean, if you're going to be one of those people that's fine."
"I would never have noticed that because I am a normal human being who, you know, has touched girls"
I'd like to think there is at least some tiny part of you that will read this and think "that's not what I meant" and that you'll say so. I think you know you can say very mean things and this time some of it was directed at people you didn't mean to hurt.
And, let's not gang up on me here, OK? I'm not a hippy, feely guy trying to get attention.
I just want to quote and say you did a good job. Your description of Cinema Sins (among others) is closer to how I feel and I appreciate someone else expressing it.
As for Trey's thoughts, I'll leave that to him, but I took it as hyperbole and a bit of poking fun. But, I certainly can understand the feelings too
Ewing wrote:"Many rituals held Sand People society together. In many tribes, adolescent Sand People were tasked with a ritual known as "bloodrite", in which a youth proved their hunting skills by capturing a creature and fatally torturing it with techniques extending the pain for weeks before death." - Some fucking stupid EU compendium that was never cannon to begin with and even if it was WHO GIVES TWO SHITS
Fixed it for you.
fireproof78 wrote:Well, is that not the principle behind Species 8472 is to establish a force that actually is harmful to the Borg and makes us more sympathetic?
Personally, I'm going with a bias here of those who present the material. Because, in one view, we see the Borg who assimilate entire cultures in the name of perfection, or their view of it, and that is shown as villainous behavior. I'm really not inclined to argue against that point of view.
However, we are later presented with Species 8472, a force bent on destroying all life not like them. Despite the fact that the Borg are the aggressors, the point of view is one of sympathy as the Borg are facing annihilation. However, given previous encounters with the Borg, should we really be sympathetic?
Is Tatooine a part of the New Republic? Is was only a part of the Empire in name only, really.
Also, my question still remains, we are not Anakin and Anakin is not the average, everyday, person. He is a Jedi. Should a different standard be applied?
I don't pay attention to the psychotic adventures and ramblings that come from the Voyager mission. Remember that time they said traveling faster than light would turn you into a salamander? You might as well reference stories from The Onion.
Tatooine is a part of the New Republic in the sense that the New Republic is now the dominant regime in the galaxy.
No, a different standard shouldn't be applied when it comes to dealing with rapists who literally fuck people to death. Treating them with mercy would be vastly more immoral than swiftly ending their parasitic existence.
So, Jedi do not attack, unless dealing with rapists. Interesting standard.
fireproof78 wrote:Teague wrote:*looks up*
Oh. Thanks.
Hey, weird, look at what happened in this thread. Yeesh.
*looks down*
Yeah. I wish someone could explain to me why this comes down to a bit of a fight...
Side A thinks side B is reading way too much into some jokes.
Side B thinks Side A is allowing the complete and utter destruction of everything good and noble.
Side C thinks both Side A and Side B should grow up.
Side D is just gonna go laugh at the jokes.
I've very recently joined side D.
Indeed.
*looks up*
Oh. Thanks.
Hey, weird, look at what happened in this thread. Yeesh.
*looks down*
Yeah. I wish someone could explain to me why this comes down to a bit of a fight...
Invid wrote:Ewing wrote:Ask yourselves, why is it okay to exterminate Xenomorphs but wrong if it's a tribe of Tusken Raiders?
So many ways to answer this, but the idea that you're just trolling is too great. Not worth it.
Typical elitist New Republic response. You people have gotten to the point where it's only a matter of time until you stand up for the Borg's right to exist too.
Well, is that not the principle behind Species 8472 is to establish a force that actually is harmful to the Borg and makes us more sympathetic?
Personally, I'm going with a bias here of those who present the material. Because, in one view, we see the Borg who assimilate entire cultures in the name of perfection, or their view of it, and that is shown as villainous behavior. I'm really not inclined to argue against that point of view.
However, we are later presented with Species 8472, a force bent on destroying all life not like them. Despite the fact that the Borg are the aggressors, the point of view is one of sympathy as the Borg are facing annihilation. However, given previous encounters with the Borg, should we really be sympathetic?
Doctor Submarine wrote:This is just life in Obama's Galaxy, Ewing.
I'm not saying things were better under the Empire but at least they knew how to handle obvious threats to their prosperity.
Is Tatooine a part of the New Republic? Is was only a part of the Empire in name only, really.
Also, my question still remains, we are not Anakin and Anakin is not the average, everyday, person. He is a Jedi. Should a different standard be applied?
Well, continuing this discussion (because, why not?) are his actions more justified or less justified because he is a Jedi? For example, in the movie "Con Air" Nic Cage's character pleads guilty, only to have the judge hold him to a higher standard because of his military training and he still gets jail time. So, I can understand the conceit if the moisture farmers were to band together and attempt to push the Tuskens back, or if the Jawas attempted to purchase mercenaries to defend themselves.
But, a Jedi is more powerful and far more capable than even the local Tatooine governments. Should a different standard be applied?
Tom's got a great voice. I seconded this idea!
Well, obviously comedy is subjective.
Yep.
Whether or not they are film criticism, the intended purpose is still comedy. Whether or not it is successful at making you laugh, is another matter.
Plot hole criticism, as a thing, is something that I have been aware of since I discovered movies on the Internet. The type of nitpicking criticism of films is something that I have always found amusing, at best, because it takes mistakes and pulls it apart of pulling apart's sake. It isn't meant as anything more than being a jerk about film, whether you like it or not.
Heck, one of my favorite comedy writers talks about being in a theater as a boy and someone counting shots in a Western, then griping about using more than six shots. It's nothing new, other than the Internet, with its technology, has allowed any jerk to broadcast their opinion or lame jokes for all to see.
Well the real problem is there's no Ministry of Film Criticism that can hand down hard-and-fast definitions of these terms or settle disputes when gray areas arise. What is and isn't criticism, what the role of the critic is, etc., have always been exactly the questions critics have debated. Every critics' panel discussion I've ever been to addresses these exact questions. This conversation is as old as criticism itself.
Now technology has complicated these questions, but technology has always complicated these questions. (Watch Life Itself: S & E got shit from Richard Corliss and others for doing criticism on TV.) Since there is no ministry for film criticism that can just define these things by fiat, the prerequisite for debating these questions should be for everyone to first to acknowledge that to some extent these distinctions are subjective, informed by one's personal philosophy on art and art criticism. We can argue for our philosophy, beginning sentences with qualifiers like "To my mind" and such, but saying criticism absolutely IS this or a critic's job absolutely IS that, full stop (as if it were just a matter objective fact, binding on everyone without exception), isn't doing much because no critic is under any obligation to accept someone else's definitions for her own work. It's an ongoing conversation that will continue to evolve as the times do. It's not a discussion in which someone can just say "This is what it is, Q.E.D." Never has been.
Well put. This to me, is part of the whole discussion is the scope of film critics and the like.
Also, as you put it, technology complicates things, as it always will. Part of the issue is the ever increasing presence of different opinions, regardless of message. Now, anyone can post something, and have people watch it, without really going through any sort of filtering process or evaluation board. Where's that ministry of film criticism when you need it?
The problem may be the increased variety of film opinions out there, just like in real life. Except there is no filter on the internet.
Teague wrote:In the meantime, probe droid. We thinkin' full-on "scary spider-ish Imperial Probe Droid," like in the storyboards, or should it be something less... scary? For some reason, the thing that's been in my head this whole time was been Wheatley from Portal 2.
Zarban, thoughts?
I was thinking the same thing. Altho my default was the probe droid from ESB, ours could be much simpler, even funny. It's the Igor of robots.
I know Teague had his thoughts, but I'm just going to lay out some concept art for different probe droids, from many sources, just as food for thought:
A render from Fallout 3's Mr. Handy robot. It is more reminiscent of the Imperial Probe droid, but the multi eye pieces gave it more of a rough around the edges look
Just some thoughts.
A friend of mine said he was on "The View" and apparently Whoopie Goldberg wants him to create the next generation of Schoolhouse Rock.
Yes please
...sure.
For better or worse (trust us, it’s worse), his Tony Stark has devised a plan that won’t require him to put on the Iron Man suit anymore, and should allow Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the Hulk to get some much needed R&R as well. His solution is Ultron, self-aware, self-teaching, artificial intelligence designed to help assess threats, and direct Stark’s Iron Legion of drones to battle evildoers instead.
And then they are able to look like humans
I have no problem with faceless bad guys, as along as the chief villain is truly villainous. So, I'm still optimistic.
Weird Al's newest release is all about proper English
fireproof78 wrote:I know that I am not as harsh on the prequels as some, but man, I am surprised that people still have a love of the prequels.
I'm sure many people watched them, liked them, and in all honesty never gave them another thought. They have their opinion, so why bother hearing that of others? After all, why be talked out of your memory of pleasure? It's just a movie
Well put. I had not thought of it like that and it helps.
However, it also is a lot of fun to mock those prequels
Doctor Submarine wrote:Does anyone want to talk about "unpopular opinions" as a concept? Personally, I love 'em. I spent too long shutting out the voices of anyone who disagreed with me. I think we need dissent to put our own opinions in context. If someone wants to argue the artistic value of the Transformers films, I'm all ears.
Agreed. I often go on Amazon and other such places to read negative reviews of things I like, and positive reviews of things I dislike. If the reviews are well-thought out and have valid points, I enjoy reading them and thinking about them; however, one has to separate the wheat from the chaff, to abuse a cliche, and avoid the uneducated/just plain trolling opinions. Those aren't enlightening for obvious reasons.
It's funny because I recently got in to a debate about the merits of the prequels and the person would just sit there and deflect and nitpick my arguments without responding. I gave up.
I know that I am not as harsh on the prequels as some, but man, I am surprised that people still have a love of the prequels. I mean, I know I am not any better about some of my film likes, which brings me to my list of films that I am usually the oddball for:
-Chronicles of Riddick-one of my favorite space fantasy movies. I don't care that it deviates from original material. I find it interesting and fun
-Abrams Trek-good films with interesting commentary on society. Yes, they are more that flashy lights
-Prequels are NOT the worst films ever-but they are not that great.
-Fight Club-I have a tough time taking this film's premise seriously, and the end twist annoys me.
Unpopular opinions on the internet are fun just because no one really takes them seriously. Like my prequel discussion, the person I was discussing it with dismissed stories about the lightsaber scene pick-up shooting as "fan speculation on the internet" essentially nullifying any fan opinions on the internet. Seems kind of self-defeating, doesn't it?
So are you all pissed that there's no third Hobbit trailer yet? Me neither.
Well, I am. But, I liked the Hobbit films (as usual, I am an outlier). Personally, I would like some more insight in to what Battle of Five Armies will entail, besides a battle of five armies*
*truth in advertising strikes again
You could do a Christmas in July thing. Home Alone, It's a Wonderful Life, The Santa Clause.
And you've never done The Iron Giant, right? Why is this?
I'll second the request for Jumanji, as well. It really would be a good fit for you guys. And I recently got it from a thrift store so I can actually follow along for once.
People follow along with them? Is this a thing?
Also, I agree on Jumanji. What about some of the Planet of the Apes movies? Also, I have really wanted Trey to talk about My Favorite Martian and Species (yes, I know he only worked on one but I would enjoy the commentary anyway).
Dave wrote:Can we clarify a couple of positions so I can keep clear track of where people are at, deliverables, and timelines? Let me know if this needs revision, and I know, alright. It's just a thing I do because, well, order.
Script. Zarban, Bathilda, and Fireproof - is the script locked at v.3?
Storyboards. Zarban do you want to do something rough and we can refine? Invid are you assisting? Can we get some rough boards for this weekend so everyone can begin looking at what we're going for?
Shooting. Jim are you heading over to chateau Zarban to shoot on the weekend of the 25th?
Edit. I'm happy to put my hand up for rough cut duties if the Doty is busy, but he's the Doty. And the Doty edits (this just in - if you say Doty 3 times he appears and critiques your home-made lasagne).
VFX Sup. Teague, I assume you're putting this hat on, are you good to assemble troops and assign work / timelines? Happy to help here where I can.
Sound. Holden, it appears you're the gent waving your hairy beast above some lucky people's heads on the 25th, Alex how's your availability early next month once there's a rough cut together?
The script is locked.
I've been thinking about storyboards. I think I can do some this week.
Yep, what Zarban said.
Looking forward to the storyboards now
Location photos and tests of the kids and lightsaber components.
http://public.fotki.com/Tysto/showdown- … ?view=roll
My thought is that Butterfly will come thru the overgrown part, and we track her up to the fallen tree. Niken lands in the clearing and goes after her. (I might try to find another location that is clear but less manicured. I didn't realize my brother-in-law had neatened up the area so much.) They fight either right by the fallen tree or on the stone path next to the pond. The stone wall there is great, but the reverse angle is a broken-down boat house.
As for the lightsabers, my plan is to paint the grips black and the add-on pieces silver for the Sith and copper for the Jedi. I'll use the tape on the blades. Since the pieces will come apart (they're PVC compression fittings), we can take them off the blade and put them on a scrap piece so there's just the handle for the activation and deactivation shots. We'll probably stiffen the PVC blades with a dowel rod or something.
How long should the blades be? The kids are about 5 feet tall.
EDIT: The things next to the tape are LED flashlights. They come apart and might be added to the grips for more bling, or just hung from the belts for show.
I like the location a whole lot. Looks like a lot of fun.
Saber kits look pretty simple and easy for a project like this, which is why I prefer PVC. It can be assembled in many configurations
Paint can work. Also might consider bat grip tape to give a softer feel on the handles. Even gauze tape can work for that. Or a strip of leather.
Sorry your flight was so rough. Safe trip back!
Keep up the good work, Owen!
Don't worry about the webcam, I don't have one either
Yeah, but the audio pick up on this old one sucks. Not exactly the best for chatting when we are trying to practice English
I found myself in a situation where I'm gonna have to start making a lot of international calls soon. Even though I do a lot of typing in English (which isn't my primary language) I don't get to talk much. So if anyone would fancy chatting about randomness on Skype for a bit every now and then so I can get some practice I'd appreciate it
My Skype id is lamer_x23
When I have my primary computer back that has webcam I will see if we can make the connection.
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