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Still finishing up this meeting. Probably be another hour at least. Feel free to start, Ill catch up. I cant remember what my part of the heist was so..ehh?
I...buuuuhokay. Thought we were taking another week off. Should be able to swing it, just gonna be a fuck of a long day for me.
Marry me. Fuck..
Whoahkay. Thought that was going a totally different direction there for a sec.
If I recall correctly, the only force-y thing he does before he goes to Dagobah is pull his lightsaber to himself in the wampa cave, and he struggles to do even that.
True, it was just a thought I had.
I'm sure they can, I mean, someone had to figure this shit out the first time, but figuring out mind control on your second try when you've only learned you have the force today seems a little far fetched.
The thing is though, it's not like she knew it was going to work, she didn't just stroll in there and go "You do this, you do that." it was a last ditch effort, a "fuck it, might as well give it a shot" move. She knows the force can do crazy things, she can probably feel it sitting there just on the edge of her vision ever since Maz pointed it out, that weird thing that was in the corner of her eye her entire life and only now is it actually named. She can feel it flowing in the room, as it flows everywhere... and so she gives it a shot. Aaaaand it doesn't work, she's tries again...the dude laughs at her and walks over. And stares her directly in the eye, she gets a connection, that real sudden human connection and boom, it all clicks into place. She can feel him there, feel his mind, and she plants a thought. The force flows, and it sticks. And she goes, holy shit, that was intense, and books it. In that moment that's what she needed to happen, so she focused and felt it, and it happened. Could she do it again right away...probably not. It's not like she immediately runs down the hall and starts mind controlling every soldier she sees.
I fully admit I probably have an entirely different perception of what the force is and how it acts than most people. But the way I've always viewed it is something primal, something living, something emotional. It's that sense of immediate connection when you look in someone's eye, it's deja vu, it's the tingle on the back of your neck when someone's starring at you from behind. It defies logic, it's not something you learn, it's something you feel. The training is only there to learn how to harness it and use it when you aren't under emotional duress.... and prevent it from over taking you.
I have a question...in regards to the whole using the force without training thing.
Why does no one ever question the fact that Luke can just up and do shit in Empire? It's been a couple years sure, but Obi Wan's dead, there's never any reference to him training with ghosty, we don't meet Yoda til after Hoth and as far as we know, every other Jedi in the galaxy is dead. Did he just try really really hard and started figuring shit out on his own?
Granted he can't do a lot, but it certainly leads credence to the idea that force users can just learn stuff on their own.
(That said, I personally ascribe to the whole "between whatever the fudge happened happened at Maz's and whatever happened between her and Kylo, some switches got flipped and jumped up that otherwise wouldn't have in Rey's head. Ren also seems to be pretty freaked out when he realizes what's happening "She's just starting to flex her powers, the longer it takes to find her, the powerful she'll become" or whatever the line was. He definitely seems to know something we don't.)
My bet is that a force sensitive person left alone goes sort of along the Harry Potter route, their powers are tied to their emotions, they have no control over it whatsoever. They are deeply tied to the force, but have no ability to control their own minds and channel it into something useful, they become a hurricane of force energy. If they are angry Aunts start blowing up, if they are happy confetti flies out of the nearest kitchen sink... or something *cough*. Hence why training is necessary. But someone tied to the force will always be close to the force. My guess is this is why the Jedi were always so insistent on getting them young. Their powers have less of a chance to be bound to their emotions.
Now all that said, that's just pure conjecture on my part, and for all I know has been intricately detailed out in the EU that I've never read.
Also...“Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.”
If looks could kill I believe they say.
The thing is, every time I hear someone try to tell me that it's "the exact same movie" or just a rehash, the most they can give me is the big details. Giant murder ball, desert planet, father/son relationship. And yes, absolutely that's all there, but everything that actually composes those large pieces is different. Fundamentally so. It's the same building blocks, but they're all made out of different materials, and painted pretty colours. The character dynamics are new, the story is different, we're accomplishing different things, we're talking about different things. So much so, that when the credits roll, you are left with something entirely different. I don't walk out of The Force Awakens feeling like I just watched A new Hope 2.0. I walk out feeling like I just watched something awesome and Star Wars-y and different.
Obviously your mileage may vary, but I just don't see the arguments for it being "just a rehash", there is too much else going on that is fun and character driven, and funny, and interesting.
If that's not enough for you, fine, that's you. But you cannot deny what this movie is, that A New Hope isn't.
Or she's loyal to Leia and is insanely deep undercover, so when the boys show up she's thinking to herself "Goddammit fuckers I was going there anyways. You better not mess this up for me."
#WildFanTheories #ThatWouldBeTotallyBadass
The trash compactor is the one thing we *know* will not kill whoever ends up inside of it. Just take that callback to a very logical extreme.
They had R2 working his ass off to stop the compactor and even then were about 2.5 seconds away from being mush. Its not like imperial trash compactors are notiriously buggy or anything. That thing could and would have turned them all to paste without R2.
Unless we find out Phasma has her own personal snarky charming droid that follows her everywherw. If she went in there and they turned it on. Shes paste. (Note I would TOTALLY be down for cute and adorable phasma sidekick if she comes back)
@BDA, just a minor point--Phasma isn't actually dead yet, Kennedy has confirmed she'll appear in VIII. So hopefully she'll take a level in badass then.
Which if true, sweet, I'll look forward to it. But according to every single bit of storytelling the movie was doing, Phasma was chucked into a trash compactor and is pretty assuredly dead. (Which dudes...I know she's a bit of a bitch...but gees that's harsh.)
"There a garbage chute around here?...trash compactor?"
"Yea there is. -smirk-"
Cut to something else. Come back, they're running around the facility without a care in the world.
Just got back from my second viewing. All round definitely enjoyed it a lot more the second time through, was able to pick out as lot of cool stuff and the things that bothered me before just blended into the tapestry of it all. Which was cool.
Although there are still some serious things that are just outright wrong with it.
A) That fucking end sequence. it was even more cringy the second time. Long passionate look from Rey. Long confused intense look from Luke. Even longer passionate look from Rey. Long, even more confused and intense look from Luke. Giant nauseating helicopter shot. Just. No. Guys. Stop.
B) The Rathkar sequence just doesn't work. It's cartoony, and goofy in all the wrong ways. But I think I figured out why. The Rathkars are the only creature in this movie that distinctly COULDN'T be a practical effect. They're all flaily and fast and wild, everything about them screams DIGITAL CREATURE. Plus the concept of them, the whole rolly polly tentacle bowling ball with a mouth thing is just... too much. Way too much. (And yes I know, Maz probably couldn't be a practical effect either, but she's just sitting there talking and walking around. She's not bouncing off the walls or doing Yoda flips. She could conceivably be a very very high tech practical effect and it wouldn't change anything about her performance.)
C) This one's more to blame on the marketting and buzz so it's kinda a half complaint/ half compliment. Phasma was built up as this Badass Stormtrooper character that was gonna be a huge character. She was plastered all over the hype machine and the marketing, and ooo we've got this really awesome, strong female character that's super awesome and badass...AAAAANNNNDDDD she's in exactly 2 scenes, the second one she dies after...off screen. Great job guys. NOW that said, looking at just how the movie works, I think she's awesome. She's this one clearly badass commander chick, that's there being all badass and chromey and nothings made of it. And then she comes back later and is snarky and Finn gets to go all street on her (which...eehhh...still have some character issues with Finn.). And then she's gone. She's just this really weird, unique piece of texture to the First Order that we haven't gotten before.
D) Finn. God bless him man, but damn. His characterization just doesn't work. He's supposed to be a guy who was raised from childhood to be a soldier. That's LITERALLY the only thing he's known his entire life, is being a soldier in a military system. And now he's breaking out of that system, because he doesn't believe in it anymore. That's a keyword there btw, he USED TO believe in this system, he was raised and brainwashed from childhood to believe the First Order were the good guys. But throughout the entire movie, we get exactly TWO SHOTS of any of that. The first one he's in full armour, so it's only through brute force bulk body language we understand what's going on. And the second when he pulls off his helmet, which is like 3 seconds. But immediately after that he's just fine with everything. Suddenly he's straight back into Moses mode (I haven't seen Attack The Block, just clips...so if it's not an exact comparison...get over it. You know I mean.) He's the sarcastic, up in your face homeboy. Which just doesn't work.
If you showed me Finn without any of the First Order backstory, I'd be totally fine with him, he's awesome and funny, and makes a really good banter partner for Poe. But in no way, in NO WAY, does anything about him say ex-soldier currently recovering from a complete and utter shift in his worldview. Honestly this is the biggest problem of the movie for me. The Starkiller base is fine, it's a bit of retread, whatever it works for this movie, but how they treat Finn just completely undermines a part of the First Order. Finn is just your run of the mill soldier, do they all get off shift and turn into homeboy down the block who's just there cause ehh, whatever, better than sitting at home I guess? This military must be shit.
Anyways... moving on.
What didn't bug me AT ALL, were the callbacks. And I think I figured out why... If this movie were the first ever Star Wars thing made, completely 100% new, none of the callbacks would stand out. They're just part of the universe. Finn leans on a table and whoah this weird game board pops up with funny looking creatures on it and he stumbles for a second being awkward and charming. That's a cool weird bit of world building. Finn picks up a weird orb with bumps all over it, Huh that's a funny looking thing, chucks it aside. If you weren't looking for it, it would just be part of the world. Same for the gas masks, hey they're about to leak poisonous gas into the ship, here's some gas masks, we should use those. The movie never stops to go "Did ya get it? Did ya- did ya see what we did there?" It's just there and if you catch it, good on you super fan, we're moving on with the story.
All in all the movie definitely flowed a lot better the second time, it all just sorta seemed to work. So two thumbs way up
ShadowDuelist wrote:Or... hold it perpendicular so it's not pointed at either of us.
Or Luke then slowly pulls out two red double-ended light sabers and gets ready to tango...
...and then literally starts to tango.
Rey feels very awkward.
Lando suddenly appears with a rose between his teeth.
Credits.
End on a shot of Luke and also, Rey, honey, that's the business end of the lightsaber. You don't point that end at people you like. Didn't you learn how to hand somebody scissors in kindergarten?
To be fair, scissors aren't likely to accidentally extend 3.5 feet backwards and stab you through the chest if you brush the wrong button. From that distance that probably is the safest way to point it.
Not that it doesn't look weird in the moment of course. but logically thinking. Accidentally stab the thin air, or accidentally stab myself... decisions decisions.
I'm exaggerating, but it felt weird.
No. You're not. It was a baaaaaaaad sequence of shots. That helicopter shot apparently zoomed in from the moon or something was one of the most nauseating things I've ever seen in a theatre. Whoever looked at that and went YES this is what we should end our movie with deserves to be flushed out an airlock.
I expected Chewbacca to go mental and kill everyone.
I'm not 100%, but I think that might be racist.
Chewie has repeatedly been established as a thoughtful, and caring guy that loves his friends deeply; and even ignoring the fact that Han was most likely saying that just fuck with Luke, based on what we know about Chewie he's not really the type of person that's going to fly into a raging fury at the drop of a hat. He'll protect them furiously, and obviously he's a huge presence and incredibly powerful, but he's also just as much of a person as any one else, and is going to feel a loss like that deeply....and THEN fly into a fuck-you rage and blow the entire planet into oblivion if he can.
Which is exactly what he does.
The last bit of November's show. That was a spectacular amount of work. Wowza.
And no. I legitimately did not write those credits.... I swear.
Considering all the other enemies that were decimated by it, Chewie probably assumed Kylo was dead. Plus if he hadn't immediately dealt with the other troopers he and the others would probably have been shot to pieces.
Also, I mean, Wookie psychology is probably not horribly well established, but I imagine he went into shock for a few seconds there having just watched his best friend and partner slaughtered in front of him.
Also, does JJ Abrams not know how maps work? To find the Statue of Liberty, you don't need the part that shows how to get from my house to Pittsburgh.
There is a line in there that hand waves it away. But the hand wavey in and of itself is kinda...."thaaaat's not really how this works JJ". But whatever, Star Wars is full of those.
Oh wow. If that were just a stand alone piece of dialogue that would be a solid fuck you from Kylo. I think I would love it.
Hey man. Encryption can be a bitch sometimes. They tried transmitting the map and all that happened was this shittily animated hologram of this fat dude saying "ah ah ah you didnt say the magic word" popped up. It was weird.
The fact that his projection was so big was odd too (they just use that huge room for teleconferencing with the Snokester, I guess?).
Really? With everything you know about the Sith and the First Order, the fact their leader uses excessive grandiose design and giant holograms to intimidate his underlings surprises you?
Yeah, I mean, that was just when he was first introduced obviously, they get the hologram thing out there pretty quick. But I was thinking it would be more like a "This is one of the old ones that has been in slumber for a thousand years, but a new something something has awoken him..." But that's getting into some straight up Lovecraft shit there. Which that's a movie I'd totally watch the hell out of, but it's not really the mainstream Star Wars everyone's looking for right now.
Snoke being...oh my god....Snoke being like, a con man, would be amazing.
Although, going back to the actual movie for a second. I'm really in love with what they did with Kylo. For the first half of the movie he's this insanely badass presence that is intensely intimidating. But then as soon as he takes off the helmet we realize that he's realize this disturbingly perverse little psychopath with daddy issues and WAY too much power. He goes from being Vader 2.0 to a Criminal Minds killer with force powers in 3 seconds flat. The only thing I really wish they'd done, is save that reveal for 8, but obviously things got rushed along a bit by Harrison basically begging to be killed off, so they couldn't really save that for the 3rd act twist in 8.
I realize this post is so Squirrel it's not even funny, but stay with me here...
Having had a bit to process things that's where a lot of my issues with TFA comes from. Don't get me wrong, I loved the shit out of it, and it FELT absolutely like Star Wars again which is amazing. But everything felt just a bit too rushed. Everything is sort of mentioned in passing before we have to get the next thing out of the way. Which I can't tell is a symptom of this being the thing that needed to prove Star Wars to the world again, or if they're just trying to set EVERYTHING up for the next 2 movies and it just becomes too much.
When we were walking out of the theater I mentioned to the friend I went with, that this feels like it's going to be a LOTR thing, where these 3 movies are going to be one giant movie. Which I mean, obviously. Luke doesn't even say a single word in this movie. But there are so many little things that get set-up that just never get touched again, and obviously they're setting them up to get paid off in 8 and 9. But it just leaves this one feeling the slightest bit...empty. If that makes sense.
...yeah. That was kinda forming as I was typing, but I think that kinda sums up my issues with it, such as they are.
Also, Snoke is stupid.
I am absolutely %100 ready for Snoke to be a Wizard of Oz situation. For the briefest of moments during the movie (After he says, bring her to me) we were going to find out it was Luke pulling the strings or something behind the scenes. That was quickly dashed as insane and idiotic, but for the briefest of moments, it was there.
Maybe it's just a testament to my twisted sensibilities, but I kinda liked Snoke more when I thought he was a disfigured ancient giant. But hey, that's a different sort of movie I suppose.
3rd bit of BullSkit's Night At The Movies.
This one...uh....this one was weird.
Yeah, I'm good to go for this sunday. I imagine most y'all won't be available next week cause you know...Christmas...and then new years the weekend after.
Anyone got any ideas about this enigmatic map? Who drew the map? Why? Why was it in two pieces? How did Max have it?
So The Force is strong in Rey because... her parents? Random genetic mutation? It is her Destiny?
One future plot reveal I would really like to see is Rey NOT being a descendent of Anaki.
Alright, here's my understanding/theory on things. And obviously this depends on how much JJ and Disney is pulling from the old EU, but it's all pretty simple concepts of how the force works.
First of all, the movie makes it pretty clear that Luke is playing a larger game here. Leaving his Saber with Maz (In a very popular and active spaceport/space bar, tucked a bit but not entirely out of sight.), planting the first half of the map in R2 until X date. I think in at least part he is waiting for the Force to send him someone, or for another force user to re-appear in the galaxy. And like Maz says "The Saber, it calls to you."
There are always children in the universe being born force sensitive, that's just a fact, in the heyday of the jedi they would have scouting parties sent out to look for new potential Jedi. based on my little knowledge of the EU, in the a lot of cases they were kinda dicks to the parents and baaaasically kidnapped them to train them up a lot of times. But that's not the point. The point is that the Force is a strong independent binding force that don't need no Anakin. As Kylo says, "There has been an awakening in the force." (Force holds up a giant arrow pointing to Rey).
The force is eternal, it will always exist and there will always be those sensitive to it. However the Jedi are really terrifying to the Dark Side and it's allies, because they "get it" they understand how to wield it and use it for good. Untrained force users can do a bit at best. But a motherfukin Jedi can ruin the whole thing. Cause...Jedi.
So theory time:
Luke has been out scouting the Galaxy. Mourning, yes, but also trying to understand how to move forward from here. What he HASN'T been is stuck on a rock for the past 15 years (or however long they said it was since he left). You know he's got an X-Wing parked on that thing somewhere.
At some point the force informs him, or he discovers Rey is force sensitive and hits the start sequence button on his master plan. Hell maybe it's just when someone force sensitive activates the flashback bomb on his Saber that he's like "Oh hello there.". And then once Rey taps into the light side of the force and uses it's power to nearly wipe the damn floor with the bratty asshole kid, R2 activates as "Okay guys, no it's cool. She's cool, she's probably not gonna dark side on us. Here's where you go now.". Also probably simultaneously sending a signal to Luke of, "Get yo ass back to that little shithole island with all the stairs, she's coming. Also...remember to bring the big cloak, you know, the big one that makes you look all mysterious. Yeah that one."
Obviously toooonnes of missing pieces but that's my general feeling from what the movie was giving us. Luke is being a tricksy bastard.
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