Who is that supposed to appeal to? Why are you interested in it, Eddie?
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Who is that supposed to appeal to? Why are you interested in it, Eddie?
I hate Titanic. I mean really hate it.
The romance is just awful, cloying, unrealistic, cliched claptrap. And it's stuck on top of a real-life tragedy.
There's even a bunch of bullshit about a fancy necklace and an evil fiance. And in the end the old Rose, who rejected her fiance because she found courage in her shipboard romance and lived a life modest want instead of wealth, reveals that she never even sold the stupid necklace--stolen from the evil fiance, not a gift from her true love/unwashed, homeless gambler of a back-seat lover. And she throws the damn thing in the ocean like that has any goddamn significance.
Besides, who takes a 100-year-old woman on a ship to the north Atlantic ocean in the first place? It's idiotic.
Eddie wrote:I don't think TOy Story is chasing an existential crisis. All of the crisis in all three movies simply have to do with aging/life changes.
TS1: Getting a baby brother
TS2: Puberty
TS3: Moving away or staying with your family.Yeah, that's basically the point that Zarban made in the little bit of back-and-forth in the introduction thread -- that, interestingly, the film manages to get us the audience to identify with a minor character really, Andy, rather than the "obvious" protagonists of the film, the toys. The crises you mention are really Andy's crises. The toys' crisis I think is the existential one.
However, like I say, I don't claim that this was necessarily something conscious on anybody's part, since no human being I've ever encountered sees the films this way. It was just my weird reading of it. But when I came out of Toy Story 3 (the first one I saw, with my daughter who was 5 at the time) I was literally shaking with rage. I have never hated a film with a blind, burning passion the way I hated TS3 when I first saw it.
I think the first film especially explores a child's fear of abandonment (children empathize with the toys, of course; but Buzz is essentially a new baby brother) and ultimately says "Don't worry. You will always be loved, even if you aren't getting all the attention you would like." Adults, meanwhile, recognize themselves in Andy, for whom the theme is "We don't stop loving our toys/friends just because we don't play/hang out with them anymore."
Your problem, I suppose, stems from your judging the toys as if they were rational adults reacting to the universe, a reading which was meant to be invalidated by the childish nature of the toys.
I kind of had your response to ParaNorman. The girl was accused of being a dangerous witch and... turned out to be a dangerous witch. Where was the miscarriage of justice? What lesson should I take away? "Accept and tolerate dangerous psychotics"?
I think the film is TRYING to say that she only became psychotic as a result of the mistreatment she received upon being falsely accused of DOING evil (as opposed to BEING a witch), which supports the idea of tolerating people for what they ARE and judging them only for what they DO.
Oh, then for mine, please include my patient sister Kara Kovach.
TOPAZ
Hitchcock's big late-career flop. I've seen more than 30 of his films and loved most of them, but this movie is a complete mess. Reportedly the only movie he started without a script in place (owing to having to fire the original writer), it feels like he shot the first draft.
It's a Cold War thriller like Torn Curtain (an underrated late entry), but has no humor or character development, a meandering story, no villain, and a prolog so long that we're baffled when a random French guy turns out to be the protagonist. All attempts at suspense fall flat because the people doing the real spying are operatives we barely know of a guy we hardly care about, with the one exception of the Cuban woman, who is quite sympathetic and whose key scene provides the only interesting cinematography in what otherwise looks like a TV movie.
Additionally, the music is often intrusive, and the dialog recording (and frequent dubbing) is quite poor.
There was a lot of "gee whiz" chit chat in episode 2 to pass the time to the twist, and the chemistry was not working for me. Ming Na is a bright spot.
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The Asylum doesn't bother with even ENGLISH subtitles, so BRAVO, TREY A STOKES.
I think this is the "right" Hollywood ending.
I maintain that a more interesting story overall would be for Bruce to actually die. But Alfred and Selina have gotten to know each other. Then the ending is Alfred having his "oh hello there" moment with Selina NOT Bruce, indicating that Bruce did indeed die, but the consolation prize is that Selina has turned her life around. Then John Blake gets the keys to the Batcave and we know the legend will live on.
(Not that I'm not crazy about killing off Bruce Wayne. I'm just looking at it from a perspective of pure narrative, based on what Nolan constructed.)
And Bebe Neuworth is fantastic (I love Chicago--it's the only pro musical I've seen live), but dig that Bob Fosse choreography. It's pure sex, but none of it looks effeminate done by the men or butch done by Neuworth. It's fucking amazing.
That Dan Radcliffe clip was the balls.
Alan Cumming is fantastic, but in that clip of "Don't Tell Mama" he looked like he was operating at about 85%.
The 2008 remake was bland and completely unnecessary (even though Keanu Reeves was an interesting casting choice)
I thought Reeves was a great casting choice but not enough to get me to the theater. I caught a bit of it on TV and was really appalled at the awful dialog.
I'm interested in any leftover male part. (Yeah I could have phrased that better too.)
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You could just watch his edit and find the clips he used.
*whistles*
He indicated that it's easy to switch the source files, so I thought that his clip for a given take of a line might be labeled 003-2, and I could just upload file 003 instead of trying to figure out if the take he chose is one of the three or four in each of 003 or 004 or 005. BCAUSE I AM LOKE GEORGE LUKAS ALL THE TAKES TLOOK THE SAME TO ME
10gB may be a little ... Excessive. When I'm back from the office I'll provide details.
IAM LIKE STALEY KUBRICK AND TAKE DOZENS OF TAKES RESPECT MY ARTICSTIC VISON
Just looked and found that my files amount to 10GB, which makes me think that I recoded them before uploading because they were so big. I thought they still looked pretty good, but apparently not. I deeply regret the error and hereby resign my office now to spend more time with my family.
I'm uploading some of the originals now, but it's going to take forever. If you like this and can give me the file names of the cuts you used, I could upload just those...? Perhaps...?
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When the upload completes, version seven lives below.
Oh my god, I was so young back then! I still had hair! And that was before I grew the muttonchops!
*strokes muttonchops*
My cuts look terrible, tho. The originals are high res MOV files from a Canon 450. Did something go wrong? Do you want me to upload them again?
Yeah, the CG work was pretty uneven. From the extras on the Blu-ray (it was a gift, and has no commentary track), basically anything that's not in an interior room with no computer screens has major CG components. So you probably didn't notice a lot of it that was good, but the Washington Monument and the weaponry on the roof looked terrible.
OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN (2013)
Gerard Butler stars in this Die-Hard-in-the-White-House picture which seems tailor-made for today's on-the-go audience that loves America and can't follow much of a plot.
Bad guys take over the White House thru reasonably plausible means, and Butler stalks and kills them one-by-one like small game. It features all your favorite hits, such as...
a semi-disgraced Secret Service agent a la In the Line of Fire
stabbing someone in the skull
casually applied security protocols
an obvious turncoat
improbable computer hacking
secret passages that don't make sense
a lifelong military man who gives up secret codes at the threat of violence
a terrible helicopter decision a la Die Hard
an I'm-a-victim-not-a-baddie scene a la Die Hard
'splosions of every shape and size
The depiction of the White House itself is very good, with only the aforementioned secret passages as egregious nonsense. There's actually a point where Gerard Butler goes thru a door in the second floor family quarters and enters what appears to be a disused cowshed in the basement. (And it's not a cut for shoe leather: Fuqua keeps cutting back and forth to show they're connected.)
What does it not have?
Journalists. Apparently, every correspondent with a desk in the West Wing flees into the sewers at the first sign of trouble.
Doubt for our hero. Aside from the opening, there is literally not one moment when the hero feels defeated. There are moments when he feels bad that OTHER PEOPLE are defeated, but oh well...
Much humor. Just a couple of dark quips.
I would say that it's a relentless march thru the White House to rescue the president, but actually Butler is up and down and all over in the Residence and the wings from one scene to the next. It's kind of dizzying.
In the remake, Hauser infiltrated the Resistance but fell for Melina for real. He was caught and had his memory wiped by Cohaagen in the hopes of eventually getting him to return to the Resistance and unwittingly lead Cohaagen to Matthias.
It simplifies the story, but Cohaagen has no way to track Quaid, since Quaid removed his tracking device, and there's no Benny to keep tabs on him. Cohaagen magically finds and assaults the place with no prior warning from Matthias' guards or anything.
What would have been kind of awesome, in retrospect, is if Lori had managed to switch places with Melina during the Wonkavator sequence using the disguise device, and Quaid (having been told by Melina where to go if they got separated) actually brought HER to the Resistance in a pretend-injured state. Then Lori-as-Melina could suddenly perk up and murder Matthias and take cover, and THEN Cohaagen could start the assault.
When finished, we can move on to our next project.
Don't forget to credit the production babies.
This isn't so much a fix or pitch as it is a scene-for-scene analysis of the two versions of the film to try to figure out exactly how the 2012 version screwed up the story.
First, I should say that a great deal of credit for the original should go to Arnold Schwarzenegger for being immensely likeable in the role. And something should be said for the dialog, which is sharp and snarky, something completely lost in the remake.
I apologize for the length, but I'm basically recounting both plots.
PROLOG
Both films start with a nightmare sequence. In the original, it's very short and merely features Quaid and Melina dying on Mars. In the remake, it's a long scene of them being chased by robots. This is a residual memory of the capture that led to Quaid's brainwashing (and already automatically means that his Hauser life can't just be a Rekall fantasy).
ACT ONE
In the original, Quaid specifically suggests to Lori that they move to Mars. There's no such preoccupation in the remake because it's all about a class struggle on Earth. So Quaid doesn't have a reason to go to Rekall except out of boredom—something that it spends an extra 5 full minutes showing us, particularly the Fall (the method of sending workers from Australia thru the Earth's core to Britain for work and then home again). Boredom, as it turns out, is dull.
In the original, Quaid goes nuts in the Rekall chair and gets sedated and dumped in a Johnny Cab, which is a funny scene. He then gets jumped by Harry and other thugs and brutally kills them. In the remake, faceless stormtrooper cops immediately burst in, and Quaid easily kills them, then flees more cops. I can't stress enough how much less effective this is—killing some faceless cops trying to arrest you vs your turncoat friend trying to kidnap and/or murder you.
ACT TWO
Back at home, Lori tries to kill Quaid but ends up confessing about their sham marriage. In the original, this is done suspensefully. In the remake, a hug turns into... a murder hug? Then she tries to shoot him. But Colin Farrell has already dodged 6,000 rounds of gunfire, so he easily escapes.
In the original, Richter is introduced here, but the remake opts to make more use of Lori, which is okay except that we're very short on bad guys with faces and the two female leads look alike.
In both, Quaid is contacted by an old friend and gets a selfie video with vital info and other secret agent stuff. This is mostly better in the remake and simplifies Quaid's story.
In the original, Quaid then goes to Mars in disguise. This is a trademark cool and funny scene when the disguise becomes a bomb. In the remake, Quaid goes to Britain—which looks just like the Colony (Australia)—and dodges more gunfire after being detected.
At this point, the remake has Melina magically find Quaid in the middle of a major highway, and they escape in a huge car chase. Quaid was only in the wind for 20 minutes. In the original, Quaid is on his own for 45 minutes (rejected at first by Melina—a real low point, since she’s literally his dream girl) and being driven around by Benny, who is funny.
In the remake, Quaid now spends 4 boring minutes searching Hauser’s apartment before finding... another selfie video. Message: Cohaagen is going to invade the Colony with robots using the Fall. It’s so dumb.... Then, instead of Quaid having to convince Melina of his sincerity, Melina conveniently convinces Quaid. Identity crisis solved! 60 minutes.
In the original, the Rekall doc and Lori show up quietly in Quaid’s hotel and--at his emotional low point--try to convince him to take a pill to stop this madness. Brilliantly, the psychological crisis is resolved when a drop of sweat betrays the doctor's false bravado. In the remake, Harry shows up with Lori and a million cops and robots and wants him to SHOOT MELINA. There's zero psychological tension because the previous scene was a HIGH POINT instead of a low point, and Quaid sensibly shoots Harry—after Melina sheds a single tear, which is idiotic. The cops and robots who have their guns pointed at Quaid then all miss with another 30,000 rounds of ammo.
The remake next features a mind-numbing 6-minute gun battle in Wonkavators that results in an escape—no face characters are even wounded. The original had Quaid knocked out by Lori's thugs but saved by Melina, who has had a change of heart. Quaid kills Lori with the memorable "Consider that a divorce."
In the original, they then go thru an alien crypt before Quaid meets the really creepy mutant who unlocks the knowledge in his brain: an alien reactor can flood the planet with oxygen (weirdness that fits with the doctor’s warnings). But our remake heroes just get on a train to a crummy town and meet Bill Nighy. (Again, there’s no visible difference between rich continent and poor continent in this class war.)
At this point, the baddies burst in, thanks to turncoat Benny in the original, and we go to Cohaagen’s office. In the remake, he arrives with his SWAT team, finding them... how? If just following them worked, then he could have just followed any Resistance member anytime. Without the psychic Kuato, HE DIDN'T NEED A MOLE WITH NO MEMORY.
The remake at least cleverly reintroduces Quaid’s old pal as the means of his escape from the re-brainwashing machine, altho Arnie’s escape was awesome and allowed another hero moment. Colin Farrell is constantly swept along by other people’s plans and help thruout the film.
ACT THREE
In the original, Quaid fights and kills Benny and gets to the reactor while Cohaagen turns off the air in the mutant quarter. In the remake, Quaid gets some bombs, flies to the Fall, and rescues Melina, then there’s a hell of a lot more gunplay. In the original, Quaid uses some holographic tricks in a very memorable twist on the shootout idea. The remake has a pretty lame 0G shootout that was probably meant to feel Kubrickian. It's weird to think of Paul Verhoeven as "restrained and creative" with action scenes, given his reputation for loving gunplay, but clearly Len Wiseman's go-to solution for every action scene is MORE GUNFIRE.
In the original, Cohaagen catches Quaid at the reactor switch, and they have a fight that results in their expulsion to the surface of Mars. Luckily, Quaid has triggered the reactor, and oxygen floods the planet, saving Quaid, Melina, and all the mutants Cohaagen was suffocating. In the remake, Cohaagen fights Quaid personally in a way that is way too macho for this version of Cohaagen. The Fall is destroyed, to the weird cheers of Australians who can’t possibly know what’s going on, and there’s a bizarre epilog where Quaid fights Lori, who has disguised herself as Melina in the ambulance.
THE END
The difference in the ending is really palpable. In the remake it’s all about destruction in what is essentially a terrorist act just like the ones Cohaagen has been engineering and blaming on the Resistance. Supposedly, destroying the Fall will somehow liberate the Colony, as opposed to just cutting it off from the richer part of the world and leaving it a festering backwater. In the original, it’s this supremely creative act of instantly (albeit ridiculously) terraforming Mars. The thematic difference is incredibly jarring.
THE MONSTER SQUAD
This is a movie I was a little too old for at the time and never caught up with until now. I often see it compared to The Goonies, but I found the story to be rather unclear and the boys to be rather generic. Little sister Phoebe was the only kid I could name immediately after it was over. (But the writers didn't seem to care much about being specific anyway. Did they, never-named Scary German Guy?) Like a lot of '80s kid movies (including The Goonies) it had a bit more adult matter than you'd see now (kids swearing, adults and a kid smoking, voyeurism, and a virginity plot point).
I saw this and The Hidden Fortress with 10-year-olds, and they seemed to like The Hidden Fortress better, but they'd probably rather re-watch The Monster Squad.
TOTAL RECALL 2012
A nearly scene-for-scene remake of the 1990 film, and yet quite flat and lifeless. Farrell plays his character as confused and torn, whereas Schwarzenegger was gloriously free of any existential crisis. Worse, Farrell isn't one man alone in a baffling world; he quickly gets picked up by Biel and dragged along by her thru the second act. It didn't help that I can hardly tell Biel and Beckinsale apart.
But the worst moment was probably the one that replaces the famous scene of the doctor breaking a sweat while trying to convince Arnie not to shoot him. I don't think the new version makes any sense at all.
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