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(38 replies, posted in Episodes)

Dorkman wrote:

I like "When Will My Life Begin" and that's pretty much it. "Mother Knows Best" is a little too dinner-theatre for me, but part of that might be the animated performance. I should listen to it on its own and see if I like the song.

Not that anyone asked ME.  mad

It wasn't regarding lightsaber choreography. Teague is asked about music, Brian is about science stuff, and you do lightsabers. We all stick with what we know wink

(sarcasm alert, for the uninitiated).

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Well, I'm just trying to understand the hatred of the film and translating to giving up on a franchise. I get not liking a film or however you want to describe it, but comic book movies have been a franchise, as immortalized by Trey's comment, "I will go see the Avengers. Will you let my family go now."

X-Men certainly has had its ups and downs, but not to the point would I give up on the franchise. Even Origins didn't do that for me, though X3 came close. Actually, funny now that I think about it, X3 was the one film in a franchise that I sighed in relief and thought, "At least they won't make any more..." Famous last words.

But, then I look at "Amazing Spiderman" franchise or Avengers, and despite being a bit overblown, are still franchises with some interest and life in it. I would argue that Spiderman right now has a bit more life, but that's just me.

So, is it the franchise being dragged out too much? In other words, are they pulling an Avengers with Captain America (the movie!), Thor (the movie!) Iron Man and we will fill in the rest, with X-Men: First Class being the Iron Man in that group? Each film is a piece to a larger film that hasn't come out yet, in essence, a commercial for The Next Big Thing (coming soon!).

Maybe I just don't get it or I am not as burned out as you guys are. Either is possible smile

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I hated it. I hated it so much. I wanted to set myself on fire when it was over. I did write a review, if you're curious. But it's not likely to change any of your minds. I think these are mainly me-problems. I'm jealous of all of you for enjoying it as much as you did. Wish I had the same experience.

First of all, wow, Doc. Well written but, wow. Them there a lot of hatin' words.

I am curious, and maybe I will write a post for the forum just on this, but why do comic book movies raise the ire so much? I mean, I get them becoming dumb, action films, with blowing up stuff and the like, but I'm trying to think of a comic book hero movie that did not do that.

I was going to mention this in the "Walk it Back Thread" but I will throw it out there that Captain America, one of the few films that I enjoyed for a while, is not quite as good of a film as I originally thought, still fits the bill of action film. So, I am curious with "Days of Future Past" is it a an indication of how comic books films have always been just on a bigger scale or is it somehow gone off the deep end in some new way?

(I have no idea if I am asking this question in a coherent way, so if that made no sense, feel free to move along).

Edit: And a quick typo fix due to my sleep deprived brain...

Jimmy B wrote:

I dislike him. Not really a huge fan of most comic actors these days or modern comedy films.

Yeah, not much to add, really.

to put that in English:

Jimmy B wrote:

I hate him. That is all

wink

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Well, I can remember "I have a dream" but only because Brad Garrett is hilarious.

But, I do see your point regarding Tangled. I don't really recall any of the music, but given my experience currently with "Frozen" I now find Tangled more endearing.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

ATTENTION. THE REST OF THIS FORUM, ATTENTION.

Hannibal is the best show on television, it's season finale is one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen, and I swear to god if you don't catch up with it by the time season 3 starts I will murder every one of you and create beautiful artistic tableaus of your corpses.

That seems fitting, given the nature of the show.

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John,

having been on the receiving end of similar, though not nearly as intense, hurtful words, I can only say I am sorry to hear that and offer my empathy. Really, that just sucks.

While I may not agree with many here regarding movies, I certainly would not presume to tell someone what to do with their money or the movies they spend it on. I spend money on odd things too. Just differences for people.

While I am have no doubt this is incredibly painful, I hope you can find more positive results from it.

Regarding Confused Matthew, I find him entertaining, and his insights sometimes useful, but never considered him a "film critic" like I do WAYDM or some other commentators out there. But, I never considered him professional or whatever the term is.

And besides, I certainly can't talk because my film opinion seems to be contrary to most here wink

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Sam F wrote:

I don't know what you guys saw in DeHaan's portrayal of Harry. I thought it was awful, beyond just the pacing of the character. Just wrong for the part in my opinion.

I also enjoyed the Peter/Gwen relationship bits, but any scene involving a villain (Electro or Harry) just didn't work for me at all, for reasons of both character and plot in each case. I guess I was entertained enough during the movie, but overall there were too many ridiculous things happening for me to get over.

Well, for my part, I enjoyed how damaged he portrayed Harry. There was far more of a"spoiled rich kid" vibe covering a hurt, embittered, interior. He feels far more real as a person, and not just as a villain. I think that more could have been done with the character, but I have no objection to the portrayal.

Same thing with Electro. He is just a guy, striving for notice and meaning in his life only to be put in a terrible accident. He isn't a villain because he is a bad guy but because he wants to take revenge on those who ignored him and treated him poorly. Again, he feels like an average guy.

To me, Electro and Harry are both tragic characters, far more damaged and in need of help than anything else. Which is a lot more than most comic book villains gets as far as a back story.

But, that is just me.

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Darth Praxus wrote:

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The good first: the performances here are for the most part solid, and in some instances very good. Garfield and Stone's real-life chemistry is a huge help to their relationship onscreen, Foxx is endearingly pathetic is pre-Electro Max, Sally Field is perfect as Aunt May, and DeHaan's performance as Harry is mustache-twirling but for the most part works (more on that later).

That said, this thing is a mess. It's not even its having more than one villain that's the problem. The tone whiplashes between serious and lighthearted, especially toward the end, when Paul Giamatti's Rhino chews the scenery horribly—I can't fault Giamatti for having fun, but the moment itself does not belong. Character motivations fail to make sense in crucial places, particularly in the case of Harry, who goes from reserved but relatively normal and a seemingly nice guy to a raving, bitter lunatic within one scene. The reason provided for this turn, his dying of the disease that claimed his father, makes no sense—the senior Osborn managed to survive for decades with his disease, while Harry is apparently dying of it within weeks of its emergence.

Others have pointed out the massive problem that innocent bystanders cause to the film—there are crowds of them standing just feet from absolute carnage and watching calmly, which drains a huge amount of tension away from each scene that a crowd is present in. In addition to this, Spidey's constant wisecracking in the midst of destruction and innocent people presumably dying in car wreck upon car wreck makes him come off as a bit of a dick immune to what's happening around him.

Finally, as was discussed in the WAYDMs for Raimi's trilogy, I'm sick and tired of scientists who are trying to do good being consistently painted as amoral if not sociopathic bad guys who are directly responsible for the villains of this kind of film. It's not a problem unique to Spider-Man, but it's extremely irritating nevertheless.

Oddly enough, I managed to mildly enjoy the film in the act of watching it; I really want to see a non-superhero movie with Garfield and Stone as a couple, because they're great together, and the spectacle of the VFX was mildly diverting if cartoony and over the top. Still, I can't say it's a good film, though it's better than any of Raimi's installments in the franchise.

Regarding the tone:

Hopefully I explain this well enough to not come across as an arrogant jerk. That is not my point, but this is my read on the film. The tone seems to follow Peter's journey and his internal confliction over being a superhero and being a normal teenager. There is a  lot of emotional baggage that comes with him, and I think the film tracks that, and so, appears to vacillate in tone. It struck me that the tone didn't change as much as Peter's attitude was changing. Whether or not that is good film making, or if I'm just making stuff up, I'm not really qualified to say wink

Regarding Spidey's wise cracks:

This has (and Eddie can correct me if I am wrong) been a fairly stable trait for Spiderman, and is one of the attractions of the character for me. Spidey is set up as a flawed person who happens to have super powers. I remember him being billed as a "super hero with problems" which is a bit antithetical to the super hero and comic world at the time, since superheros are supposed to be, well, super. Comes with the territory.

Spidey is different in that he isn't a brooding antihero or propaganda poster boy. He is an everyman, and sarcasm is one way that humans deal with tragedy. I don't think Spidey is making light of the destruction, so much as he is trying to shield himself from what would otherwise be an overwhelming situation. Then, in the aftermath, do we see him wrestle with the emotions of the consequences. For me, it is more relatable as a character. It was one of the draws of Spiderman when I watched the cartoon was his wise cracking and jokes in the face of danger. However, in other instances, there would be agonizing cries over the pain he is dealing with. I thought 2 did a good job in the balance of making Peter look like a young adult who is still trying to balance out his life.

Regarding Harry:

Harry, in my opinion, is a tough aspect of the movie. One the one hand, he is played masterfully and the chemistry between him and Peter is very realistic and enjoyable. There is a relationship there that was enjoyable to watch and understandable.

However, I agree that the pacing was too fast and it could have been played out very differently.

Spoilers, just as a precaution:

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Harry starts out as a bitter young adult who wants nothing to do with his father. Suddenly, he his given the company and  forced in to his father's world, despite not wanting to be in it. So, his bitternesss, in my opinion, is understandable.

I agree that the progression of the disease was accelerated to make hi more desperate. I think it could have been played out longer, setting up Goblin for the next film, after all of Harry's attempts at spider research have failed. Again, he can still use Electro to get in as the head of OsCorp again, but become more of the master manipulator behind the scenes, using villains to try and capture Spiderman. Then, Rhino can be recruited, and his appearance makes more sense at the end, as he draws Spiderman out. Then, in 3, he becomes more desperate and takes more risks and becomes a more overt villain. Which, in the cartoon, was how Norma Osborn became the Green Goblin. Kind of like Iron Man, if Iron man went psycho and wanted to kill people, for fun and profit wink

While I can agree that the film has its problems, I wouldn't call it mess, as the characters are solid and well presented. I think that the film tries to do too much with too much material and overwhelms itself.

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Sounds perfectly reasonable.
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Isaac wrote:

Are there many people who do listen to FIYH with the movie?  That isn't snark, but an honest question.  I know the show is formatted around that premise, but most people seem to have a specific place in their lives for podcasts, such as the car, the gym, or at work.  Do many people actually listen to it in perfect sync?

There are a few movies that the guys recommend not watching the film and just let them rant wink

Also, to answer your question with an honest answer, I don't because the films I am generally watching are the latest children's release, not whatever WAYDM is commenting on.

However, there are a few I will be making an exception on smile

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This is something that I want to pick up, but my handwriting is atrocious sad

Seriously, my mom works at a doctor's office and still has trouble with my had writing wink

Thanks for sharing! Like the look big_smile

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Lindy Beige: https://www.youtube.com/user/lindybeige

A rather entertaining, and educational, look in to historical combat. I find it to be rather fun, as he has a similar sense of humor to mine own, as well as some interesting information. There is a lot of historical information, as well as a few film reviews of combat, and archery, being done (poorly) in films.

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Faldor wrote:

Nah, I'm just being trollin, it's still wank.  wink

That's what I thought. I never read a full retraction and apology from you wink

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Faldor wrote:

I walked back on Star Trek Into Darkness after Fireproof's well made arguments.  wink

Well at least I went from hating it to seeing it as a pretty bad movie that wasn't an a front to everything Star Trek represented.


I did...what now?

*runs to read his arguments again*

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Tomahawk wrote:

I didn't like Kill Bill vol. 2 until I rewatched it a couple of years ago. I guess I just wasn't in the right mindset back in 04 for a talkative, slow movie.

But I did like the Star Wars prequels and the Matrix sequels until WAYDM pointed out their errors.


I agree with the prequels. I still have a soft spot (some would say in the head) for Attack of the Clones, probably because I defended it for so long. But, WAYDM movie certainly revealed many of the flaws, even if I don't agree with all of them, I do recognize them as problems. Also, Phantom Menace is still one of my all time favorite WAYDM episodes.

The Matrix sequels I agree with more so, but I was not as invested in them as I was the Star Wars movies. The Matrix sequels was pretty much a waste of idea potential, with some decent lines and performances but rather incoherent story. I will say this: made a great video game wink

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By the way, as a total coincidence but works for the last recording, this thread had 501 posts before I added to it.

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And now, I cannot resist this:

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Just got back from The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Personally, I enjoyed it. I was impressed at where the story went, and what levels they were willing to go. Garfield is fantastic as Parker, combining both the conflicted nature of the character with the wit and sarcasm that made me love the character in the cartoon when i was growing up.

It is a little bit tent-poleish in it's over the top battle sequences and some things are a little rushed. However, as I have been struggling with recent films, the pacing finally feels more manageable. There is a lot of different threads going, which I normally don't like in films, and there is some predictability, given the way things are set up. But, the personal conflict and the building of the Spider-Man mythos felt more natural than the way Rami built the world. There are some interesting details involving Peter puzzling through problems and trying to balance his life. At first, it almost felt like a rehash of Spidey 2, but the personal character development and the emotional and physical fatigue was more palpable.

My one complaint is too many stories. This is far more common problem in movies these days, and despite a decent effort on the part of the balancing all the characters, but it dragged the story down a bit, and left some things either unresolved or too quickly resolved.

However, despite some rushed stories and plot points, I really liked (or felt for) the characters. Even the villains have a point in terms of what they are doing and wanting to accomplish.  This continues my new, not favorite reaction in movies, caring for the villain and feeling bad for them.

Special comment goes to Dane DeHaan, who plays Harry Osborn as this brilliant and psychotic person. He had good chemistry with Garfield, and really enjoyed his performance.

Overall, a decent action flick, with some fun character moments. I think it felt more like Spider-Man to me, like a kid trying to be a hero and yet struggling with all of these problems. I really felt for Peter and was more attached to him as a character.

9/10

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I'm going to post what I had written on theonering.net in response to another poster's comments that the redaction of the EU from canon would be similar to if Christopher Tolkien suddenly declared the Similarion, and other posthumous works from his father non-canon in Middle Earth lore. So, there is some mention of that. I have spoiler-ed it because it is a bit long but it is most of my thought on the matter:

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I have been reading on this and posting in other forums today. While I understand the frustration even better now, I am still inclined to agree with Disney's decision in this regard. You don't have to like it, any more than you have to like TABA to Bo5A, but there is a reason, even when we don't agree.

First of all, I appreciate the example in a post regarding Christopher Tolkien and if he declared the Sil and other writings to not be canon and release more. It gives me more insight in to why people are up in arms. However, this being the internet and the tendency to use hyperbole for the sake of making a point, there has been a lot of hurt by the fans that I am still not understanding.

First of all, just like the Hobbit films do not extinguish or diminish the book, neither does Disney's reclassing of Star Wars "canon" diminish the EU material in existence. The Thrawn trilogy, Old Republic, and the like still are there, still are well written and provide enjoyment regardless of their status. Still good books, still able to be read.

Secondly, the EU was never "canon" in the way that the movies were. This is Lucas' stated, public opinion, that the movies are his story, and the EU is a sandbox for authors to play in. I even read an article, dating a bit now, with Timothy Zhan on how he never expected his books to be movies, or official or anything like that. They were just fun to write, and good stories to tell. Their status in the canon was not even in question, not in the way that they are now.

Third point, that Disney is not taking the lot and shoving it out the door and calling it quits. If you read the interviews and articles, Disney has assigned a group to review the material and determine what to keep and what to discard. It is not all gone, and some poorer ideas might be discarded completely.

Fourth point, Disney is looking at material and attempting to craft a more comprehensive, and cohesive canon, for future films. Given the tangents all over the universe, some cohesion will be nice. They also want to have some artistic freedom to create movies with new stories, rather than being confined by previously written stories. Given how well the Hobbit, LOTR and Abrams Star Trek (to name but a very few) were received by fans when changes were made to previously existing stories and continuities, Disney is making a good choice to be able to craft more from scratch.

Finally, this isn't personal. Disney isn't trying insult the fans or the authors by saying the EU isn't canon. Mostly because, this is not new news. As I said before, Lucas never treated EU as canon in the sense that the movies were and as has been stated before, Lucas changed The Clone Wars and fall of the Republic in the prequels, regardless of how it was written in other material. Even "Splinter of a Mind's Eye," the first novel written after Star Wars came out, was almost immediately discarded for when Empire Strikes Back came out.

I have a better understanding of why fans might be hurt, but it is odd to me that there seems to be an almost personal backlash that somehow Disney has cheapened the EU by making this decision. It really is only cheapened if the value of the story came from it's status in the Star Wars canon. I don't think that is it at all.

Thank you for reading!

My main struggle is the fan hurt that is flying around the Internet that somehow the EU is wasted material because it isn't "canon." Was that really something we (the fans) cared about when we read the books?

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This will be great and I am looking forward to it. I have written, here and elsewhere, my feelings on the matter, but it is clearly divisive issue so I am hoping for a fun discussion. However, I think we should abide by Queensbury rules, just to be clear wink

Two questions that I will ask the panel, in case I miss the record time and can't post them in chat.

One, does this affect your enjoyment of older EU works? Why, or why not?

Two, is there anything that excites you about this news?

My basic reaction is to many of the fans reactions as this is negative news, and don't treat it in any way other than doom and gloom. I would like to hear a more reasoned response as to why this might cast Episode 7 in a negative light and if it would affect a person's decision to see the movie, when it comes out.

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I think Red just filled in the two slots by virtue of his knowledge alone wink

Good luck, gents! This sounds like an amazing session!

I love her covers, and think she is a fantastic artist overall. Also, I agree, she got me started with Peter Hollens as well.

Thank you for sharing!

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(473 replies, posted in Episodes)

BigDamnArtist wrote:
Bathilda wrote:

Maybe Andy Serkis will play a female alien. That would be cool.

Oh god, my brain hurts from the mere thought of even glimpsing the almighty torrent of hellfire and anger that would rain down from the internet if that were to happen.

Well, there is already going to be that, so what is one more?

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(649 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Glad it went well. Sorry I couldn't be there (as usual) but you guys bring it out for this project. big_smile

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Trey wrote:

No way.  The lesson I learned is never let the internet know which lamp you like.

/wow, there were a lot of L's in that sentence

Trey, you cannot escape:

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