Have you read Philip Pullman's The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ, Dorkman? It's in a similar vein, and I think you might really like it if you haven't read it already.
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Have you read Philip Pullman's The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ, Dorkman? It's in a similar vein, and I think you might really like it if you haven't read it already.
They actually recorded a commentary for the second Twilight movie right after the first (from memory, Teague actually bailed near the end because he'd had enough, and Cloe took over). Even during the movie they wondered if what they were saying would be worth releasing, and the answer was obviously "no". A different group of people, not coming right off the first movie, might give a different result.
This is why I need to come to more live shows. XD The fact that Teague would actually bail in the middle of a recording astonishes me (A Few Good Men excepted for obvious reasons).
So I saw on Twitter a few days ago that you guys were thinking about getting around to the Pirates sequels, which reminded me: are we ever going to see the Twilight sequels utterly eviscerated?
Rob Marshall also directed Chicago, which works beautifully as a musical adaptation. And he also directed the 1999 Annie (which, um, has Audra McDonald going for it, I guess), so who even knows with him. His direction alone won't make or break the movie, but it is a questionable decision.
Film adaptations almost always beef up the orchestra, and almost always at the cost of the subtleties in the music. (And I didn't shut up about "God, That's Good" for ages after I saw the film. No one at any point says the words "God, that's good." Grr.)
I'm a little irked that we're losing the Narrator. Film adaptations are always so reluctant to break the fourth wall, but I think you miss out on a lot of a show's charm that way.
Yeah, it wouldn't hurt so much if it weren't for the fact that it's the best non-Ballad crowd song in the musical. I understand cutting the rigamarole with testing the barber chair, but losing the rest hurts.
....they're losing the Narrator?
........I will strike down with great vengeance and furious anger.
Teague wrote:LatinAlice needs to come to LA so that we can do an incredibly annoying Intermission about musical numbers.
I would be totally down for this.
Darth Praxus wrote:I'm really hoping so, but Disney and Sondheim are pretty much the worst studio/musical combination I can think of. Sondheim is all about deconstruction and irony, which are not things Disney is inclined toward.
Did you know books smell like nutmeg or some spice from a foreign land? I loved to smell them when I was a boy. Lord, we had a lot of lovely books once, before we let them go.Sonheim and Disney are a strange, potentially disastrous pairing, but not as long as the themes of the show are preserved.
Accepting responsibility, accepting consequences, knowing the difference between "nice" and "good" - I can think of several Disney characters who would benefit from these lessons.I worry a lot about the score. I like Burton's Sweeney Todd, but it's one of Sondheim's most complex scores, and the film doesn't reflect that. I really hope Into the Woods doesn't suffer the same fate.
My biggest worry is their choice of Rob Marshall as the director; his Pirates movie was one of the worst-directed films I've had the misfortune of seeing.
Yeah, the film suffers from doubling the size of the orchestra; it certainly increases the grandeur and power, but it drowns out all the different harmony and counterpoint that's at work. I support most of Burton's cutting the crowd singing, but "God, That's Good!" suffers horribly from it. And as much as I agree that the film doesn't need The Ballad of Sweeney Todd, it would have been nice for them to still record it and slap it on the soundtrack, because it's my favorite number of the whole thing save "Pretty Women".
I wonder if the upcoming adaptation of Into the Woods will be successful, and whether that might change Disney's approach to future fairy tale musicals.
I'm really hoping so, but Disney and Sondheim are pretty much the worst studio/musical combination I can think of. Sondheim is all about deconstruction and irony, which are not things Disney is inclined toward.
Just listening to this now. I haven't seen the movie but it seems interesting, so I'll have to look it up.
Teague, what are your thoughts on the music for "Tangled"? I was re-watching it the other week and started out saying "The problem with this movie is that there's only one song" (because I only remembered "At Last I See the Light"). Halfway through the song my roommate said "There are lots of songs in this." I said "Yeah...but can you remember any of them? What was the melody of the song that JUST finished?" We honestly couldn't recall. So I looked at the credits afterwards to find out who wrote the songs, and was shocked that it was Alan Menken, because usually he's great. What happened there? Is it just me that can't remember any songs from that movie or did Menken drop the ball?
I think part of the problem is that Tangled is pretty different fare from Menken's Disney Renaissance material—stuff like "When Will My Life Begin" would never have appeared in a 90s Disney film. It's part of the unfortunate trend of musicals becoming more and more pop-oriented and less and less musicals of the classic Rodgers and Hammerstein/Stephen Sondheim variety. It's regrettable, as Disney was the last bastion of that kind of thing during the Renaissance—now, music from films like Beauty and the Beast and The Hunchback of Notre Dame would never make it in a kid's picture, and that's horribly unfortunate. It's not that a traditional musical can't be successful—Sweeney Todd did well at the box office and was a critical smash, and the Les Mis film was a massive popular success—but the mainstream does lean more towards pop musicals, and where the mainstream goes Disney follows.
Another problem is that I just don't think Menken was particularly trying on this one. "I Have a Dream" in particular is what I think of here—the whole sequence plays out like something from a Dreamworks film, which is not a compliment. If Menken's music were more inspired it might make up for the cheesiness of the scene and Slater's lackluster lyrics, but I think he knows that the scene he's composing for is stupid and he's less inclined to try than he was back in the day when he was on top of the world and passionately involved in what he was doing.
I think an even bigger problem than the music, though, is the lyrics. I don't know what other projects Slater has worked on, but his lyrics for Tangled are pitiful compared to Ashman's and Schwartz's. That problem got way worse with Frozen—the lyrics in that film are completely godawful. While I like the melodies of a couple of Frozen songs (First Time in Forever, Snowman, etc.) I can't stomach listening to them because of how juvenile the lyrics are. "Let It Go" is the only one that passes in that regard, and that's all it is lyrically, passable.
I watched Saving Mr. Banks last night. Well, I watched half of it. I bailed after the scene where Walt Disney COMPARES HIMSELF TO GOD without a hint of irony. What an atrocious film. I need catharsis. Please do a commentary.
I was mildly enjoying the film in the theatre (have cooled on it significantly since, and even at the time I knew I was watching revisionist history), but the scene where I had my own "I'm out" moment is at the climax when they had Disney actually
The show has never been grounded in reality. There's always been an element of magical realism and dream logic to the show. I think you have to let go of that to get the most out of it.
Hmm--see, I'm a big fan of the first two books/films (Hannibal the movie/book is an abomination), and that element definitely isn't present in those. D'you think it's still easy for a prior fan to get over that tone shift and enjoy the show? (Also, that makes me curious about whether their adaptations of Red Dragon/Silence of the Lambs will keep that magical realism or stay true to their source material.)
Not to be redundant, but as everyone else has said, forget him. Sorry this happened, man.
The good first: the performances here are for the most part solid, and in some instances very good. Garfield and Stone's real-life chemistry is a huge help to their relationship onscreen, Foxx is endearingly pathetic is pre-Electro Max, Sally Field is perfect as Aunt May, and DeHaan's performance as Harry is mustache-twirling but for the most part works (more on that later).
That said, this thing is a mess. It's not even its having more than one villain that's the problem. The tone whiplashes between serious and lighthearted, especially toward the end, when Paul Giamatti's Rhino chews the scenery horribly—I can't fault Giamatti for having fun, but the moment itself does not belong. Character motivations fail to make sense in crucial places, particularly in the case of Harry, who goes from reserved but relatively normal and a seemingly nice guy to a raving, bitter lunatic within one scene. The reason provided for this turn, his dying of the disease that claimed his father, makes no sense—the senior Osborn managed to survive for decades with his disease, while Harry is apparently dying of it within weeks of its emergence.
Others have pointed out the massive problem that innocent bystanders cause to the film—there are crowds of them standing just feet from absolute carnage and watching calmly, which drains a huge amount of tension away from each scene that a crowd is present in. In addition to this, Spidey's constant wisecracking in the midst of destruction and innocent people presumably dying in car wreck upon car wreck makes him come off as a bit of a dick immune to what's happening around him.
Finally, as was discussed in the WAYDMs for Raimi's trilogy, I'm sick and tired of scientists who are trying to do good being consistently painted as amoral if not sociopathic bad guys who are directly responsible for the villains of this kind of film. It's not a problem unique to Spider-Man, but it's extremely irritating nevertheless.
Oddly enough, I managed to mildly enjoy the film in the act of watching it; I really want to see a non-superhero movie with Garfield and Stone as a couple, because they're great together, and the spectacle of the VFX was mildly diverting if cartoony and over the top. Still, I can't say it's a good film, though it's better than any of Raimi's installments in the franchise.
Relating to the point of Bond being a nasty character—Sean Connery is on the record as saying he doesn't like Bond because the character is too misogynistic. Sean Connery said that. Not that I think Connery is a monster, necessarily—he's unfortunately sexist, certainly, but not abusive—but I just find the irony absolutely hilarious.
Wow, the trash talk about CGI in the LOTR's films from the players who made one of the greatest film trilogies ever has been turned up to 11.
http://www.themarysue.com/viggo-mortens … the-rings/
I do, however, completely agree with Viggo about the Hobbit movies. One of the reasons the LOTR's films will stand the test of time is the incredible use of practical effects augmented only when needed with CGI, but the Hobbit films almost never feel like they are real.
When Gandalf pulled out Glamdring in the ROTK and (with his staff) kicked some serious ass it had a visceral feel to it. But in the Goblin Cave fight scene in Hobbit #1 it looked like they directed Ian to run along a path and swing his sword, and they just animated golbins wherever Glamdring passed.
It's sad that at this point Peter has almost completely gone over to the dark side, and become George
. Guillermo is sorely missed in Middle Earth...
I actually agree with Viggo about the effects in TT and ROTK. While I still love those movies, there's definitely a pretty big shift between Fellowship and them in terms of tone—the action gets more cartoony (Legolas's wild ride), and the VFX is far more over the top and less grounded. I think it mostly works—Helm's Deep and Pelennor Fields are obviously for the most part stunning, and the films they're in are still great—but Fellowship will always be my favorite in part because it's so much more grounded and feels a lot more like an actual other world than the other two films.
Eddie wrote:Why can't they call it "Hellblazer"? So much cooler title...
According to Wikipedia they labelled the Keanu movie Constantine to avoid confusion with Hellraiser. Don't know if that's the logic here too or if people are just used to the new title now.
I have a general question. I've heard many say, including you guys, that Gravity really has to be seen in 3D for it to work. I didn't, which probably explains my feelings towards the film
However, unless 3D TV REALLY catches on, from this point forward very few of those watching the movie will see the 3D version. I therefore wonder if it will have any more lasting impact than Avatar did. It's certainly not unwatchable the same way, say, How The West Was Won is (the three strip, curved screen image doesn't convert to flat letterbox well), but does a filmmaker have any obligation to "future proof" their film so it has a life beyond the theater? The answer used to be, "no", as they were competing against TV and home video didn't exist. Now, however...
I think the movie still works splendidly in 2D, personally—that was the way I first saw it before seeing it in 3D twice. You do lose some of the sense of depth that Dorkman talks about, but it's made up for a bit by the cinematography shining brighter. And let's face it, it's a technical marvel even without the 3D.
In terms of me walking something back.....The Matrix. And yeah....I mean the first one. To me it does not hold up, and it's just not something I particularly enjoy rewatching. Even the fights feel really old and not terribly good at delivering story or character.
This. I love Agent Smith, and the fountain of memes that the film has become is amazing, but it doesn't hold up. The effects are very badly dated in parts (the chase between the Squiddies and the Nebuchadnezzer in particular is cringe-worthy) and the fight scenes are cartoony, but more importantly the backstory doesn't make a whole lot of sense (as pointed out by Trey in the WAYDM), and Reeves/Moss can't hack it—they have pretty much no chemistry and are very boring to watch, and it doesn't help that their kiss, in addition to feeling totally unearned—there is no reason Trinity should have fallen in love with this man or vice versa—skirts the deus ex machina line pretty raggedly.
Add to that the weird feeling I had watching it that was generated by seeing The Formula first, and thus seeing all of the moments in The Matrix that The Formula was referencing as references The Matrix was making to The Formula before my brain could work out was happening...yeah, it just felt weird.
I've walked back on The Dark Knight consistently. When I first joined the forum here I actually hadn't seen very many movies and as such listed it as in my top ten films. On every subsequent viewing, its flaws stand out more and more to me: as discussed in the WAYDM, it most definitely drags after the hospital scene, Harvey's arc is far too abrupt, and some of the stuff like the magic bullet reconstructor is just dumb. It would've been a much better film, I think, if Nolan had been free to direct a similar script as a straight crime film rather than a Batman film. Watching The Prestige was the final nail in the proverbial coffin—it let me see what Nolan can do when he's really free to do whatever he wants, and it's a markedly better film than either Inception or the Batman films. Do I still really enjoy watching TDK? Of course—Ledger alone is worth it. But I no longer count it as one of my favorite films, or as Nolan's best.
My second viewing of Blade Runner definitely improved it in my eyes—the story made more sense (though there are still holes), and seeing it on a bigger screen allowed me to appreciate even more just how flawlessly gorgeous the effects are. Still not one of my favorite movies, but one I'll definitely revisit just for looks alone.
Vertigo is one that I saw as an eleven year old and didn't very much care for; I saw it after I'd watched and loved Rear Window and The Birds, and it was rather a letdown for me. Six years later, I listened to the WAYDM commentary and was intrigued enough that I decided to see it again, keeping in mind Eddie's experience of not being able to appreciate the film until you've had your first love shattered. It's still not my favorite Hitchcock film—the pacing is an issue, as discussed in the WAYDM—but I was far more able to appreciate it now that I'm a mature viewer. The cinematography is gorgeous, the score is utterly fantastic (I was surprised Teague, music aficionado that he is, didn't bring it up in the episode), and Stewart's performance is deeply unsettling. I'm very glad I decided to revisit it as an adult and develop a greater appreciation for it.
6.5/10
6.5/10
You gave Shaun of the Dead and Your Highness the same rating?
Lack of Billy Dee makes me sad.
I don't know if this is in the right spirit or not.
I love you so much it hurts me sometimes.
I'm sure this question has already been addressed somewhere, but would you guys ever consider doing a Game of Thrones Intermission?
Going specifically by commentaries, favorites are:
1. The prequel commentaries. Sure they're comparatively unsophisticated and you guys are drunk off your asses, but that's all for the better--your rage at what's happening on screen spawns some of the most hilarious lines in the show's history (belt-buckle rant is unmatched), and you're still amazing at pointing out fixes that could have been made. These were my introduction to the show four years ago, and they hooked me immediately.
2. The two marathons (LOTR/HP). There's a huge, celebratory feel even to the comparatively small LOTR marathon, and Potter of course remains unparalleled. The number of people on and off mic makes for a wonderfully varied and multi-faceted experience, and, as with the prequels, the number of laugh-out-loud moments is great. LOTR was a fantastic learning experience for me, hearing all of the making-of details. The Malariathon was only the third time I managed to watch WAYDM live, and I was there for the whole thing--it was an incredibly special experience, something I knew would most likely never happen again, and participating, in my own small way, for 24 hours (and under two names, Darth Praxus and Graham Warnken--thanks, YouTube ) is something I remain proud of. Relistening to the latter, I relive the experience all over again--I feel just as exhausted listening Half-Blood Prince as we all were when it was actually happening. The marathons aren't the best way to introduce someone to the show--too long and involved--but they remain this show's high points, in my view.
3. Twilight. This one is one of the best pick-it-apart episodes the guys have ever done. In addition to the in-depth analysis of why the books are so unhealthy for young readers, the tangents onto things such as Buddhism and the soul are fascinating. This was the first episode where I thought "Hmm, that Eddie guy seems like a really wise person." Plus you guys mentioned Ray Bradbury, my favorite author.
4. The Core. What can I say? Drunk Teague and Dorkman + bad movie = hilarity.
5. Pan's Labyrinth/Legion The former is one of the commentaries I listened to without having seen the film, but still bring up just to irk friends who are fans of said film. It's a top-form fix-it commentary, packed with humor (the hobo analogy at the end especially), and nerd-rage. The latter commentary is another great fix-it episode, and hearing you guys discuss theology is always a great treat for me. Both episodes are also the best ones to feature Cloe, whose presence is always welcome.
For Intermissions, my favorites so far have been the Aurora response, the episode on piracy and fair use, and any and all of the recommendation episodes--it's always fun to hear that guys you love listening to love books you love (Spin/Snow Crash, way to go Teague!), and some of the books I hadn't read before and picked up as a result were among the best I read last year (Summer of 42, the two John Dies at the End novels, the Mars Trilogy, etc.)
As for introducing people to the show, I've already made a fan with the Star Wars episodes and am currently doing so with another friend--who *likes* the prequels. Here's hoping you guys can break him. In addition to being among the first episodes of the show's run, they're accessible--everyone has seen Star Wars--and have a great balance of humor and fixing things.
"Hannibal" the excellent TV show and "Hannibal" the shitty Ridley Scott filmThe scene with Lecter convincing Gideon to consume his own leg was one of the most disturbing things I feel I've ever seen in fiction. I don't know why, but that really got to me. And that we have Mads Mikkelsen and Eddie Izzard playing a scene that dark in a production with this level of craft on NBfuckingC still boggles my goddamn mind.And to contrast it to a similar scene in the Hannibal film, where Anthony Hopkins makes Ray Liotta eat part of his own brain... there's just no comparison. I was laughing at that scene in the movie, but I was giggling gleefully with the scene in the show. Scott played it so camp, whereas Fuller keeps it clinical and detached, with just the faintest twinkle of humor... I don't know how this show does it. They can have scenes as absurdly arch as Hannibal playing harpsichord in a cavernous, gloomy mansion and yet it's still one of the most subtle, layered dramas I've ever seen on television.
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