826

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Fair enough. The less sharp answer -- sorry, still recovering -- is that each one is a unique case but probably does have enough background about what they are and if there are others to fill at least a chapter in a book (and probably does in Silmarillion).

Assuming they follow the book -- a pretty safe assumption -- you can expect to see Shelob's brood in THE HOBBIT.

827

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Ewing wrote:

1. Why doesn't the ring turn Sauron invisible like it does with everyone else who wears it?

The invisibility is an effect of being subjugated to Sauron's will and being transformed into a wraith in his service (hence it causes you to enter wraith-world). It's never stated explicitly in the film, but if the Ringwraiths did not wear their black cloaks they would be invisible, having been made permanent servants of Sauron and thus appearing only in wraith world.

Sauron being owner of the Ring, and it being his power infusing it, he is obviously not dominated by the Ring and therefore not forced wholly into wraith-world when he wears it.

That of course is the retconned answer. The real answer is that Tolkien's first notion was an invisibility ring and he was stuck with invisibility as a side effect of the Ring when its significance was further developed.

Ewing wrote:

2. Are the big badass creatures like the Watcher In The Water, the Balrog and Shelob one of a kind monsters or are they part of a larger species?

The Watcher, somewhat uncharacteristically for Tolkien, was never developed or explained. The Balrog is a Maiar spirit like Gandalf which chose to take the form of a demon rather than an old man. Shelob is "the last child of Ungoliant," who was an evil spirit in the form of a spider.

Ewing wrote:

If they are part of larger species, where the fuck are the rest of them during this story?

In the larger world outside the story. If you think what's seen in this story represents everything Middle-Earth has to offer, you could not possibly miss the point more.

828

(69 replies, posted in Episodes)

Animal kept flubbing it.

829

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

I think the real hero of the marathon was definitely the fifth microphone encouraging everyone not "on deck" to pitch in contributions to the conversation, challenge our points or add more and keep things moving.

Thanks to everyone for all the virtual and IRL fist-bumps. As the guy who first pitched the idea and subsequently forced everyone's hand, I considered it my responsibility to carry the conversation if necessary -- which, happily, I never felt it was. There wasn't any moment in the entire 12+ hours where I felt us grasping for something to say. But, just in case, in preparation I spent the last several weeks doing all the research I possibly could. So as much fun as it was, I am looking forward to watching/reading/listening to literally anything but Tolkien stuff for a while.

830

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Shit, we'll do that and read the phonebook too. It's an old-fashioned filibuster, kids.

831

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

drewjmore wrote:

Then why did he film Sam's vision in Galadriel's mirror?  Was she just fucking with him?

In the film, only Frodo looks in the mirror, and Galadriel prefaces it by saying: "[The Mirror] shows many things -- things that were, things that are, and some things that have not yet come to pass."

In other words, it's a vision of what would happen if they fail. It doubles-down on the stakes by re-establishing that the Shire will be destroyed if the Ring is not. Frodo doesn't give a fuck about the Mark of Rohan or the blood of Numenor, he just wants to save the Shire. It's motivation, perfectly valid in cinema language -- and the "worst case scenario" vision/prophecy is likewise a common fantasy trope -- and only seems like a set-up if you know the books. The pay-off is that he succeeds in his quest and therefore it never happens -- and the twist is that he's so changed by the journey he can no longer be a part of it.

drewjmore wrote:

It's kinda getting late for me to rewatch now to check, but doesn't Saruman die offscreen in the films?

In the theatrical version he's basically just declared to no longer be a threat, trapped in Orthanc. In the EE he dies onscreen, and way more dramatically than the silly dirt road hobo-stabbing in the novel.

drewjmore wrote:

Finally, as they all return to their home town and find it occupied, we see the lasting positive effects the battles against evil have had on our hobbits.  They left home sheltered fat kids, and returned able to take care of themselves. Very much the way military experience changes surviving soldiers.

Except it takes them all of five minutes to convince the other hobbits -- who didn't go through the war -- to fight back, which makes it seem to me like that's really just how hobbits are if someone gives them the right push.

It undermines the whole point of the quest, as mentioned above: protecting the Shire. If the scouring is necessary, they failed. The story is about destroying the One Ring. Once that's done, wrap it up. There are already too many endings for many people's taste, throwing in an entirely unnecessary mini-movie at the end to boot would be ridiculous.

EDIT: what Trey said.

832

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Cutting the Scouring is the single best choice Jackson made.

Come at me bro.

833

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Gregory Harbin wrote:

There's no way I'm watching this live. I have a life, dudes.

You mean we're going to miss out on great contributions like this?

834

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

[comic book guy]Miruvor doesn't appear in the films and Ent-draught appears in TWO TOWERS, not ROTK.[/cbg]

I like the ideas for both. We don't have an espresso machine though.


rtambree wrote:

2. Arwen or Eowyn or Rosie or Gothmog?

OMG. We totally have to play "Fuck-Marry-Kill" at some point.

These are some great topic suggestions. MOAR

EDIT: also if I'm going to be a butthole for accuracy I should note that it's "Orc vitality drink," not "Orc-draught." I had it confused with Ent-draught. The Times regrets the error.

835

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Ooh, I like taking a shot for the PJ cameos. We should also include his kids' cameos.

836

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

The menu makes me so happy.

On a much lamer/geekier food note, additional noshy snacks to be provided will be of the "what characters are actually eating onscreen" variety. To include:

-Bilbo's birthday cake
-Lembas bread
-Orc-draught
-Salted pork (ham)
-Denethor's dinner (roast chicken, bread, cheese, cherry tomatoes)
-Various booze (beer and wine)

There will also be champagne to celebrate completion of the quest and, I dunno, donuts and chips and stuff probably.

837

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Oh. My god. I am buying that book right now.

838

(304 replies, posted in Episodes)

Your mom and my balls.

/I am so sorry
//why would I say that

839

(69 replies, posted in Episodes)

The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas

840

(1,019 replies, posted in Episodes)

You think you're joking.

841

(80 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I will have all the points! All of them I say!

I get a little sore, especially across the upper back/shoulder blades, and somewhat in the shoulders. I pretty much no longer get the debilitating, can't-move soreness the next day, although I keep trying to get there because then I know I got the most out of the workout. (I'm starting to focus more attention on my legs, which are a weak point, so I might start feeling it there for a while.) I think it's somewhat to do with having worked up to it but more that I'm making sure to get a LOT of protein (150g+/day) to help recovery. I get most of it through protein supplements to keep the calories down, since I'm trying to lose fat, plus whatever happens to be in my regular meals through the day.

842

(80 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I totally forgot about the whole quest thing! I should do some.

843

(48 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Remember in THOR where Jeremy Renner was in one scene with a bow and arrow and it was like "lolwut"? Apparently that's a thing called Hawkeye.

844

(69 replies, posted in Episodes)

The whole point of the movie is that Batman believes there is hope for Gotham -- for people -- if they have someone to show them the way, and Joker believes that terror reduces people to animals and they will never be more than that. If one of the ferries explodes, Batman is defeated forever, his fight accomplished nothing and there was no point in telling us his story.

845

(48 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I also don't tend to get excited by trailers -- in fact in the last couple years I've just stopped watching trailers at all, except the ones that play in the theater or that everyone is talking about. But some of my friends just go on the Apple site and browse, and I never do.

For my part, I've become jaded toward trailers not because I work in the industry, but because I've been burned too many times by an awesome trailer for a shitty film. If I don't get excited I can't be (as) disappointed. These days I treat trailers as stand-alone pieces. I appreciate the craft of a great trailer but it doesn't make me excited for the movie, though it can make me more interested if it looks better than I expected. There's also the factor that I've already probably decided whether or not I'm going to see it (with possibility to be swayed if the tomatometer goes hard the other way), so the trailer is mostly irrelevant.

Oh, and I'm sorry, but after the prequels, Matrix sequels, half of what Spielberg's been up to the last decade, and The Shyamalan, "from the makers of [thing I loved]" gets me cautiously optimistic at best.

846

(48 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I love this movement that's sprung up of drawing male superheroes like female superheroes to highlight the difference between idealization and sexualization. It's the best kind of satire, hysterical while still making a strong point.

The Spider-Man costume here is one of my favorites. I think it's the look of terror on the face of the guy he's saving that gets me.

847

(43 replies, posted in Episodes)

Fido wrote:

on the subject of LOTR and glitches, is the team putting in place numerous contingencies so you don't reach the end (at hour 13ish) only to find it wasn't recording or that the file is too big to save ?

We're going to save and back up the recording at each disc break, and I'm hoping we can figure out a way to record to at least two separate locations, too.

848

(255 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Bad Astronomy by Phil Plait and The History of The Lord of the Rings by Christopher Tolkien.

I just finished reading Drive, which was rather different than the film and interesting to compare, and Zombie Bible: Death Has Come Up Into Our Windows, the first volume of a series of novels taking Biblical stories and treating them as veiled descriptions of zombie outbreaks through the ages. The two released so far forego the low-hanging fruit of zombie Jesus, but maybe the series is building to that. This one was based on the book of Jeremiah. I quite enjoyed it and it was a fast read.

849

(69 replies, posted in Episodes)

Squiggly_P wrote:

Point is, putting commentary into a comicbook movie is probably only going to piss people off, and that's going to defeat your commentary. It probably has a lot to do with the much younger and, let's face it, less... intellectual folks that are running out to buy tickets to see Green Lantern and Ghost Rider 2. I'm not saying they're dumb, but they say it themselves thusly: "Just turn your brain off and have fun"

Those people are going to have a strong negative reaction to social commentary...  in pretty much anything...

GREEN LANTERN: no social commentary, $220 million worldwide
GHOST RIDER 2: no social commentary, $48 million worldwide (to date)

THE DARK KNIGHT: social commentary, $1 billion worldwide

Not to say correlation is causation, but it doesn't look like a very negative reaction. I think most people who encourage you to "turn your brain off and have fun" for certain movies would be perfectly happy to leave their brains turned on if those movies would give them good reasons to do so.

850

(69 replies, posted in Episodes)

But DARK KNIGHT is distinctly not a childish superhero film, unless one says it's childish because it's a superhero film, which is a silly circular argument.

At any rate, some of the most classic social commentary has been in "children's" stories. Gulliver's Travels, anyone?