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I don't know half the Harry Potter films half as well as I should not like, and I like less than half of them half as well as they deserve
Another question for discussion in hour nine:
Which character should get their own spin-off TV series?
The "scouring of Hobbiton" - a phrase I've just now learned, since I've never read the books - is portrayed by Galadriel in the movie as a "vision of something that might be". Since I wasn't expecting a "scouring of Hobbiton", I wasn't disappointed by the lack of one in the movie. Instead, I just take Galadriel's warning at face value - it's something that could have happened if Sauron hadn't been defeated.
The book may have handled it differently, but in the movie, that's Frodo's prime motivation for doing what he does - he's hoping to prevent something terrible happening to the Shire.
If the movie had ended with the Hobbits coming home to a devastated Shire after all they'd been through, well that sounds like a hella depressing way to end a movie. Especially after watching half a dozen civilizations be almost wiped out already.
I thought the gray havens ending gave a similar vibe to what you're describing, although it plays out exactly the opposite. Frodo saves Hobbiton, but the experience changed him so greatly that he himself couldn't go back to his former life. As a "cost of war" message, I thought it worked just fine.
Saruman doesn't die on-camera in the theatrical version, but Wormtongue does him in in the Extended version.
Yeah, I don't like killing the secondary villain off-screen. That's some bullshit.
Save all this for tomorrow guys, you're shooting your load way too early. There's nine fucking hours of this.
Unfortunately I'm only gonna be at the stream for most of Fellowship since I gotta work at night, but soo looking forward to the podcasts. I think you guys might have to make a pause/unpause point when we have to switch discs.
"The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles
triangle is equal to the square root of the remaining side."
"That's a right triangle, you idiot!"
" D'oh!"
Shit, we'll do that and read the phonebook too. It's an old-fashioned filibuster, kids.
TWELVE HOURS???!!!! Dang. Y'all will have earned my respect if you can keep a straight head through all twelve. Trey has already earned my respect by working on Ark for a year w/o compensation. That's dedication! I still think Brian will be the first to go batshit crazy though... ![]()
Here's a question to ponder:
1) Which character was most defined by their actor?
2) Which actor was most defined by their character?
Forgive a fanboy for having his favorite scene from the book cropped out.
Our heros got the heroine's journey.
Frodo = Luke (no love interests, both raised by their uncles)
Gandalf = Obi Wan (respawning wise old mentors)
Merry & Pippin = C3PO & R2D2 (comic relief)
Aragorn = Han (able to take out countless enemies)
Legolas = Chewy (bow/bowcaster)
Orthanc/Isengard & Barad-Dur = Death Star (all three under construction)
Drop the ring into the volcano = Drop the photon-torpedo into the exhaust port (all problems are solved)
Tatooine = The Shire (the farm)
Saruman = Darth Vader (the deputy)
Sauron = The Emperor (evil personified)
Prancing Pony at Bree = Cantina at Mos Eisley (an altercation, pick up Aragorn/Han)
Nazgul & Orcs = Stormtroopers
Elves & Rohan & Gondor = Rebel Alliance
Frodo loses a finger = Luke loses a hand
Galadriel = Yoda (help along the way)
Look in the mirror = Look in the cave
Sting = Lightsaber (both are inherited and both glow blue!)
Balrog / Shelob = Wampa / Rancor (obstacles along the way)
Watcher in the Water = creature in the trash compactor
Wearing Orc amour as disguise in Mordor = wearing Stormtrooper armour as disguise on Death Star
Ents = Ewoks (both allies from the forest)
Wagnerian leitmotifs in the score = Ditto
Enemies have superior numbers but inferior fighting skills = Ditto
'My friends, you bow to no one' = Applause & Medals
Anything else?
Congratulations, you just described every Cambellian story ever.
Tolkien was born in Victorian England and in many ways was a man of his time in respect to class, women, religion, race, reaction to modernity, etc.
If one were re-imagining LOTR today, you'd need to include at least one woman in the fellowship, probably a kick-arse woman (maybe Legolas would change gender). And Sam couldn't be Frodo's gardener (i.e. social inferior). And having dark skin wouldn't imply that you're evil. Maybe an Orc would betray his race and help out the fellowship. And maybe some of the pseudo-religious aspects would be toned down.
What other aspects of LOTR feel antiquated today i.e. if you were writing the novels now, you'd feel compelled to change?
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