Never heard of EI8HT but I believe it, since spec scripts are certainly rewritten into franchise installments occasionally (DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE was a non-DIE HARD spec called SIMON SAYS, iirc, and I, ROBOT started as an original script called HARDWIRED).

You can read the ET II: NOCTURNAL FEARS treatment here.

Dunno if there's a copy of the GUMP & CO. script out there, but the book certainly exists.

I know the script to GHOSTBUSTERS 3 Aykroyd passed around in the late 90s was by most accounts completely batshit (as were his first drafts to the other two, to be fair), involving the Ghostbusters going through a dimensional portal to Hell.

Get outta here with your context.

Here in MURRICA, the "rhymes with filler" name is spelled "Miller." Since it's spelled different I think people just assume it's pronounced different.

/but pillar is spelled with an "a" and pronounced the same way
//shut up
///murrica
////Ron Paul

The theme of the book, really, is "life isn't fair."

With that being the point of the book, there's not a much better "life isn't fair" ending than for a strong character to go out with a whimper rather than a bang.

Your reaction is precisely the desired one, by the way. Maguire's goal was to turn a cackling caricature vanquished by the movie's young heroine into a three-dimensional individual forever misunderstood and senselessly killed. You're supposed to recoil in horror at the blithe way you could just cheer her death back when you didn't know anything about her, and see the "triumph of the hero" in one context for the human violence it is in another.

The whole point of the book is: you know how this ends. What you don't know is all the stuff that came before that makes the ending tragic. It's a more nihilistic version of what Lucas tried -- and failed -- to do with the prequels.

Books can get away with that kind of ending, but most movies and stage adaptations can't unless they're super indie, hence the change. It's not "retarded" -- it's just not reassuring.

Look at that chin.

LOOK AT IT

I accept your apologies.

For the record I have seen Ark since this recording and I liked it a lot.

For your own sake I'm going to be a dickhead and point out that this is not writing. 

Listening to it now. It's a completely new recording, not an edited/rearranged version of his review. I'm 20 minutes in and he's somehow managed to pretty much not cover any of the same ground and offer new and hilarious insights. He meanders off the path when he doesn't have anything too screen-specific to say, but gets back to it pretty quick and at any rate it's better than dead air.

He just blew my mind pointing out that Jar-Jar, despite being the most hated character in this film, is also the only one who actually has a hero's journey character arc.

You mentioned my name second.

Ohh, everyone's SOOOO athletic...

I'LL SHOW YOU

/sprains everything

Just saw it. Really enjoyed it.

I don't think the climax is "mind boggling" either -- it didn't take any especially shocking turns IMO -- but it was entertaining and appropriate. As for the four minutes of talking at the end, yeah, it's a movie about characters, and wraps up with the surviving character.

Based on Mamet's non-fiction writings, and Kilmer's own reputation, I would not be at all surprised if Kilmer was for serious.

As a commentary it was disastrous, but the Keith Richards bits were pretty damn funny.

Maybe pull those out and have them as a forum Easter egg. Send me the file and I'll do it. Unless Trey wants to bury it. We who were there will always have our memories...