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Watching all the work that went into that Despecialized Edition just makes me furious at George all over again. Look at all the work these people are doing! Look at how much they clearly love the original version! And instead of just being a mature person and admitting that you were wrong, you had to keep giving the people who provided you with your fortune the middle finger.

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Snail wrote:

Weren't the original negatives restored for the Special Editions?

Reports contradict each other; Lucasfilm claims to have destroyed the negatives, but other sources claim they're still intact. If they did in fact destroy the negatives (which would be heinous), it would have to have been after they restored them for the Special Editions.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Marty J wrote:
Trey wrote:

Disney, on the other hand, is a corporation that will happily sell anything to the public if the public will buy it.

I sincerely hope that's true, because it would mean that a good quality DVD/Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy (without all that Special Edition tinkering) is possible. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Pretty sure Fox still owns the distribution rights to those.

Fox owns the original film for infinity, but Disney owns Empire and Jedi. I'm fairly hopeful that a collab-box set could be in our future, assuming that Lucasfilm's claim to have destroyed the original negatives was just a bluff.

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I'm in the middle of writing an essay that pertains to this topic, so I thought I'd ask you fine people: what would you consider to be the largest defining moments in your lives up to this point? The ones that got you on the path you're now on, or played a large part in shaping who you are?

I'll start. Like so many of us Internet folks, the defining moment of my childhood was when I saw Star Wars for the first time. I was nine years old, Revenge of the Sith was just about to come out, and my parents decided the time had come, so they sat me down and, over the course of three days, showed me each of the Original Trilogy on VHS. I wish I could remember more about the experience, but I know that it was like nothing I had seen before. Within an entirely too short amount of time, Star Wars became my everything, and this remained the case approximately until I turned fourteen. I read every single one of the EU novels, I watched the films dozens of times, I played with the toys for countless hours. I also began watching fanfilms on YouTube, and my absolute favorite, when it premiered, was RVD2—that'll be important later. While I no longer have the same obsession with the universe—my realization of how bad the prequels are soured my images of the saga for a time, and as my literary tastes improved I realized that 90% of the EU wasn't worth my time—I still love the original films, and all six are such a part of me that I honestly have no idea what I would be like without them. They were what inspired my love of SF, a love that continues to this day, and really began my development as a nerd.

Fast forward a few years, to the moment at age thirteen when I first discovered, almost in tandem, the works of Ray Bradbury and Stephen King (the former with Fahrenheit 451, the latter with Under the Dome). I had always been a voracious reader, but these two authors were the ones that made me know, for the first time, that being a writer was what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. I began to look at the people who had influenced them, and the people they in their turn had influenced, and before long had expanded my library to the point that I had no more room for it (a problem that only increases with age). Before this point, I had read almost exclusively SF and fantasy—now, I began reading "literary" fiction as well, and expanding my SF/F horizons far beyond what my town's little public library had. I studied the authors' styles, tried to imitate them, and in the process found what my own could look like, though that is still an ongoing process. It's those two authors that set me on the path I'm on today, and I couldn't be more thankful to them.

Lastly, the first time I listened to Friends in Your Head was probably the most defining moment of my life in the last several years. I first encountered the podcast back in early 2010, after watching the commentary on the Lightsaber Choreography Competition and noticing that the guy from RVD2 was a member of the panel, which intrigued me enough that I checked out the show. And, as with STar Wars, I got way too obsessed way too fast. For the last four years, the show has been more than just friends in my head, it's been a teacher. I've learned more about writing and storytelling from this podcast than any class I've had, as well as a shitload of stuff about moviemaking that I never would otherwise have known. It's taught me how to think and how to be skeptical, made me loosen up and get a better sense of humor, and has led me to further resources that have proven invaluable. It also has given me friends in my head, and this forum, for which I am eternally grateful. Whenever times get tough, I always have a WAYDM to make me laugh and help me learn. I know for a fact that I would be an utterly different person had I not stumbled upon this show, and I'm so glad that I did. So, really, I'm like many of us here—Star Wars led me to fanfilms led me to FIYH. Pretty awesome, as far as I'm concerned.

So—how about you guys?

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For Disney movies, I'd recommend Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King when they're younger. Hold off on The Hunchback of Notre Dame until they're a little older (there's a considerable amount of sexuality and scariness), but once they're at the right age it's undoubtedly the most mature of the Disney Renaissance films. I'd advise against The Little Mermaid—as Eddie has said before, it can be pretty damaging to a kid's worldview, particularly if that child is a girl.

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Pulp Fiction
Bruce Willis's unbreakable (begins at 1:27:45)

I know you didn't ask for anything from this one, Teague, but I just happened to be listening to it for the first time today and started choking on my drink in the middle of a public space, I was laughing so hard. This is actually two clips that I combined, because the joke is split in half, but builds in hilarity the whole time and requires the first part to be understood.

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I think this is the nuttiest fundamentalist site devoted to Harry Potter I've ever seen.

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fireproof78 wrote:

Heavy on the Hebrew and linguistic side of things but this article discusses the verses in question at length:
http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/v … s_fac_pubs

Will read this later this evening when I have the time (working on papers right now).

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fireproof78 wrote:

I'm curious as to your source that Jews were polytheistic and then turned monotheistic. I'll have to review the books I have for that information. But, given the surrounding cultures were polytheistic, evidence of other gods does shows cultural influences and dynamics reflected in the biblical story.  A quick search dug up this article: http://www.academia.edu/1857268/Monothe … nt_Israel_
Which I am now reading smile

To start with, Dorkman posted this extremely useful video in the Raiders thread:

There's an incredibly fascinating and illuminating book called The Human Faces of God: What Scripture Reveals When It Gets God Wrong (And Why Inerrancy Tries to Hide It) that has a whole chapter devoted to polytheism. The most interesting parts of this chapter are when it goes into the Bible's own support for polytheism. Examples:

The Dead Sea Scrolls render Deuteronomy 32:8-9 as

"When Elyon divided the nations,
when he separated the sons of Adam,
he established the borders of the nations
according to the number of the sons of the gods.
Yahweh's portion was His people,
Jacob his allotted inheritance."

Later Hebrew texts of this same passage redact it to read "the sons of Israel" instead of "the sons of God", and "the Most High" instead of "Elyon", because by this time Jewish theology was monotheistic. Elyon was the patriarch god in the Canaanite religion that also included Baal and Asherah, and "the sons of the gods" is used everywhere else in the Bible to refer to deities—not angels, who have their own separate Hebrew word. Yahweh is presented in this passage as a young warrior-god who inherits—not chooses—His people from His father, the patriarch deity Elyon. English translations bowdlerize this, as did the Greek Septuagint and the Hebrew Masoretic text, but fortunately we still have the oldest texts to preserve this bit of religious retconning.

Also, the book of 2 Kings describes the pagan god Kemosh defeating Yahweh's power in battle. When Kemosh's servants sacrifice the king's own son, his wrath comes down upon the Israelites—whom Yahweh said would win the battle—and defeats them.

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I want to see these. Badly.

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fireproof78 wrote:

I haven't really gone in to it because it is readily available information nowadays. Like I said, I'm not trying to persuade anyone beyond doing research and learning for themselves.
Multiple links for multiple sources, so apologize for any repetition. Also, some is from archeological sites, and I am trying to provide as broad of a base as I can find as well, but there is some technical speak too.

One major problem, though, is that for every find that corroborates something mentioned in the Bible there's another find that disproves something. The Israeli government actually hired a team of researchers to look for archaeological evidence regarding the Exodus and the wanderings in the Sinai Desert. They were forced to conclude there was none.

Also, a lot of that "evidence" isn't evidence for anything. The fact that there is a common flood story does not prove that the Bible's version is true; it merely suggests that there a was a huge flood across Mesopotamia and the various civilizations were all trying to justify it. Same for the Code of Hammurabi. So the later Hebrew law bears similarity to it...erm, so what? How does discovering that the Hebrews copied an earlier law system prove anything at all about the existence of God or the reliability of the Bible?

Even more important than the archaeology is the fact that we know that Judaism was polytheistic for centuries, until a major catastrophe forced them to reconsider their religious practices. Archaeological finds are small potatoes when we know that the central monotheistic beliefs of the Jewish religion were ripped off from Zoroastrianism and did not exist for centuries.

Finally, just the existence of the places the Bible mentions doesn't mean anything. You still have all your work cut out for you trying to provide evidence that the Exodus happened, that Jesus was the Son of God, etc. etc. And to quote Christopher Hitchens, even if we could prove that Jesus was born of a virgin and rose from the dead (neither at all likely), it would not mean He was the Son of God.

Doctor Submarine wrote:


I really thought it was awful. When she started howling along with the dog, I cringed. A few people in the audience started to giggle, and I don't blame them. I don't think the movie needed a scene where she connects with Earth, let alone a scene this awkward.

I think that scene works precisely because it's so cringeworthy and pathetic what she's doing. When she realizes how pathetic it is and breaks down weeping, it's a very real and emotional moment.

Squiggly_P wrote:

You know who's another actor who people shit on regularly on the internet? Shia LaBeouf. And he's amazing. I think he's going to go down as one of the best actors of his generation.

Assuming he ever works again. tongue

I feel the same about Nicolas Cage. Yes, he's chosen to be in some godawful films, but his acting is always 100% committed no matter what he's doing.

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Dorkman wrote:

The Bible is really not that unique or impressive. The 40 people writing on message were selected out of many other people writing off-message. So of course what's reached us has a consistency of message, that's why these specific ones were selected and others weren't.

And not even those forty are united in thought or message—the Pentateuch has God condemning children for the sins of their parents, while Micah says God abhors punishing children for said sins; the earliest parts of the OT are all polytheistic in nature (redacted in current English translations to reflect otherwise), while post-exilic material is monotheistic, etc.

Dorkman wrote:

It seems more to me that you're predisposed to the Bible and you're coming up with post hoc rationalizations that it's something special in order to justify your predisposition.

Exactly. I came to realize, during my deconversion, that if Christianity were any other religion I wouldn't be putting in anywhere near the effort I was in order to make it work, because it was self-evidently fantastic. The only reason I was resisting not believing is because I was raised to believe and had existed with that belief for almost seventeen years.

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sellew wrote:
Dorkman wrote:

And for all we know, they put out a sequel to their story that said exactly this and just didn't wind up getting passed on down the centuries. We know that deliberate hoaxes, once they've taken hold in people's minds, can survive being exposed even by the masterminds of the hoax. It can even intensify them. Ask the guys who made that Bigfoot video, or the folks who started the crop circle craze.

However, I'd have thought the real controversy was later in that sequence, when the non-crucified Jesus meets Paul.  Paul is preaching Christianity, that Christ died on the cross for our sins, etc.  When Jesus confronts him about the fact that everything he's saying is a lie, Paul basically says "I don't fucking care."  I was a little surprised that people didn't get more upset about that.

There's a fantastic novel by the author of The Golden Compass called The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ that deals with this issue. Long story short, there were two babies born to Mary, one called Jesus and one called Christ. Christ is hired by a shadowy figure (who is heavily implied to be Satan) and ordered to follow his brother and record his words—but to deviate from the facts when "the truth is more important than history"—and ultimately takes on the role of his dead brother to fabricate the resurrection. It was a very interesting read. Also notable is that it provided a very sympathetic look at the Pharisees; Caiaphas, the high priest, doesn't want to execute Jesus, but has no choice because Jesus is going out of His way to stir up trouble and is going to bring the wrath of the Romans down upon the entire Jewish population unless something is done.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

You could release a movie like Saw tomorrow, and people wouldn't care.

Which isn't stopping them from rebooting it, apparently. *headdesk*

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After having been subjected by a friend to a "best of" sequence of clips from the Saw movies, and hearing a lot about the depravity featured in A Serbian Film, I find myself scratching my head and asking why that particular subgenre is so popular with a certain crowd.

I don't think it's about being scared, because the stuff in those films isn't scary; it's disgusting, stomach-turning, maybe, but not scary. I don't see any aesthetic merit, at least in the Saw films—the way they shot those films is so jumpy and annoying that I couldn't even remember to be disgusted for some shots. There doesn't seem to be any particular point or message (I hear that A Serbian Film is allegedly an exception, but that the point isn't very well made).

This leads to a troubling question: do people watch these films just because they enjoy being disgusted? Do they take secret pleasure in watching a fellow human being's scalp being torn off, or leg sawed off, or death by being raped through the eye socket? And if so, what does it say about human nature that we can pay money enjoy to such things on a massive screen, and then shell out more to get it on DVD and watch it again?

I myself have read American Psycho, and thought it was a masterpiece. However, I don't consider it "torture porn" because it actually is trying to say something. The reason why that novel is destined to become a classic of sorts is that it had a very relevant point to make and made it in extremely memorable fashion—if it were just the murder scenes, it would be nothing more than a disgusting exploitation novel. The violence has meaning because of the satire that fuels the book. Even in that experience, though, there was something I discovered about myself that highly unsettled me—I was impatient for the scenes of banal business life to end and to get to the murders. I was impatient to get to the passages where humans are brutalized in unprintable ways. I have a feeling this is true for numerous readers of that book. I felt awful enough after that revelation—so what does it say about us when we remove any vestiges of a message, any breaks at all, leaving just torture scenes, and choose to go watch it and buy it on DVD?

I consider myself a humanist, and I'd like to think we're getting better as a species. But I also know we stand on a razor's edge between monkeys and higher beings, and stuff like this is an uncomfortable reminder of how thin that edge is.

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In relation to classical Judeo/Christian monotheism, no, I do not believe there is a God. Realizing this was a long and painful process, but I eventually couldn't deny that:

1. If God existed and were as evil as He is in the Old Testament, many more sinners would be falling down dead right now.

2. There is no evidence that the Bible is anything other than a poorly edited collection of texts written by desert nomads (who were for a long time polytheistic—it was actually the Raiders WAYDM that brought this to my attention), and later by deceived believers.

3. "Creation science" does not stand up at all to Darwinian evolution, which removes the need for a Creator entirely.

4. The soul, in all probability, does not exist.

5. None of the Bible's prophecies regarding eschatological matters have come to pass.

Even if the God of the Bible did exist, I wouldn't worship Him because of His morality—this video expands on that nicely.

As for other religions, I'm not really an expert, so I can't present any really definitive positions, but I'm an atheist in that I believe that a deity of any kind is highly unlikely and most likely does not exist.

I will say that listening to Eddie on several WAYDMs has gotten me rather interested in Buddhism.

We still need someone to do 2010: Moby Dick; unless something has changed since Teague last posted, that should be the last one.

Will this be back up as a Friends in Your Head app anytime in the future?

Just did some counting on the FTP: 118 clips uploaded, and only one and a half movies left. Well done, gentlemen.

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Legion
We have to protect the baby to...um...oh, look, shoot it! (7:34-8:14)
Vapid theology (9:06-10:03)
Gun-running toy shop (11:16-12:34)
Angelology (15:34-16:41)
History is written by the victors/possessed of the Spirit/the plot hole of transubstantiation (18:43-21:46)
Gnosticism/polytheism (21:59-25:32)
Clinging to the edge (26:41-27:00)
What Legion should have been (58:40-1:00:39)
Excess of dramatic shots (1:02:33-1:03:25)
The benchmark for intelligence is the stick shift (1:06:42-1:07:12)
Sensitive religious toes/jerking off Jesus (1:09:32-1:12:33)
God is pro-choice (1:21:17-1:22:09)
Legion vs. The Room (1:28:02-1:29:27)

I have never actually watched this film, even though this WAYDM is one of my favorites; while I was listening to the commentary for clip-gathering purposes, however, I decided to go to YouTube and watch the Ice Cream Man scene to see if it was really that bad.

...HOLY FUCK THAT WAS ANTICLIMACTIC. It was a thousand times worse than I'd thought it would be even after listening to you guys deride said scene multiple times. That was it?

I'll take Legion--one of my faves. You guys can have at the rest of them. smile

How many more clips do you estimate we'll need, Teague?

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"Apology accepted, Captain Needa."