926

(108 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Dave wrote:

What was your most inappropriate response to bad news?

When my grandmother was on her deathbed, we drove over to the nursing home as an extended family. To those in my car, I said, "Let's be sensitive and tell grandma we love her, but let's not forget that the most important thing is to find out WHERE THE MONEY IS BURIED."

It turns out that "deathbed" was already literal in this case.

Do you have any weird body parts? (glass eye, gold prosthetic nose, gimpy hand like Gary Burghoff...)?

927

(33 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Tomahawk wrote:

Hey, some movies even spoil themselves. Moulin Rouge "The woman that I love is dead." is said literally within the first 3 minutes.

I guess I'll be taking THAT movie out of my queue. mad

928

(30 replies, posted in Creations)

Teague wrote:

I'm starting to think Paul is a superhero.

I've always thought Zarban is a supervillain.

Today, Paul's spiced walnut mascarpone ginger cookie sandwiches... Tomorrow, the world!

http://fernyfilms.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/68.jpg

929

(6 replies, posted in Movie Stuff)

I don't normally react at all to horror movie trailers, but this was one that intrigued me. It's nice to see that it might be worth catching on video. Nice reviews, both of you!

930

(30 replies, posted in Episodes)

Jodie Foster is beautiful, but doesn't have much sex appeal (altho she does pretty well in Inside Man). I think that's why the male gawking feels wrong.

I saw this in the theater (with a date!) and liked it a lot. The movie is Teague-terrific until the lights go out and Bill starts following Clarice with the night-vision goggles. That just just felt ridiculous to me.

EDIT: Great commentary, by the way. Really fun and insightful.

931

(33 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Spoiling Citizen Kane is especially weird because not only is it supposed to be one of the greatest movies of all time (I don't love it) but it's also not a movie for young people. You have to be a mature adult to appreciate the themes of loss of youth and squandering of opportunities. Couple that with the fact that it's 70+ years old, and you have to assume that no one under 30 has seen it.

932

(33 replies, posted in Off Topic)

1. How long until the spoiler moves into spoiler-public-domain...?

It's never acceptable to spoil any good movie twist for anyone who hasn't seen it. TV shows with a big twist are the same, especially now that everything is coming available for streaming.

2. Is saying "there's a huge twist at the end" a spoiler?

Also not cool unless you're trying to get the person to watch the movie, and you don't make such a big deal about it ("Great stunt work, some really funny lines. It has a clever twist, even. Really good movie."). It can ruin the movie if the person is scouring the story for clues.

3. In discussion of a movie with spoilers, with someone who has not seen it, how far do you let yourself go when giving them the pitch?

Tell them the setup (what happens in the first act) and mention a couple of non-spoiler-y highlights ONLY. Generally, tell a little less than trailers do these days. I swear, the trailer for Rise of the Planet of the Apes told the WHOLE ENTIRE STORY, pretty much IN ORDER.

If I were trying to get you to watch $ (Dollars), I would say it's a cool '70s heist movie where Warren Beatty and Goldie Hawn are trying to rob the safe deposit boxes of these three bad guys who use the same bank because criminals can't complain to the cops. It's Germany in the winter, so it's pretty bleak but it's got a dark sense of humor, and there's some boobs and some really clever heist stuff. You get almost all that in the first 20 minutes, which is the hook part of a movie anyway. The most you should say about the ending is that it's got a nice, slick ending or whatever, to assure the person that the ending doesn't fall apart, which sometimes happens with otherwise great movies (The Prestige).

4. Have you ever had to spoil something just to get someone to watch it?

That would defeat the purpose. I HAVE spoiled movies that I think are crap and the person SHOULDN'T see them.

5. Have you ever accidentally spoiled something?

If you talk about movies a lot, like I do, you're bound to mistakenly assume your audience has seen something they haven't. However, I mostly stay away from REAL plot-twist-type spoilers anyway, because why would ever bring up the end of The Usual Suspects outside of an in-depth conversation with someone you know has seen it? I'm convinced that people who spoil movies mostly do it maliciously so they can feel superior to people who haven't seen the movie. It's like when people say "YOU haven't seen Rochelle, Rochelle?!" It's like, fuck you, no one has seen every fucking movie you have. Have YOU seen Firestorm? Harrison Ford jumps out of a plane and shoots back up at it while he's falling. Helicopter falls on a car. Hell of a picture.

6. When were you worst-spoiled?

As I was walking into South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut, a couple was walking out of The Sixth Sense and said the exact thing you shouldn't say. I actually still enjoyed The Sixth Sense later anyway, because the film is so brilliantly constructed that I mostly convinced myself that they must have meant something else.

Also, several times, I've looked up a movie on IMDb to decide if I should watch it, and some jackass has posted something on the message board with a spoiler in the title. If you complain, some other jackass will invariably claim that you shouldn't be reading the message board of a movie you've never seen (as if the subject lines don't appear right there on the front page of the movie's entry).

So, basically, it's El Mariachi if El Mariachi had been edited on meth.

934

(72 replies, posted in Off Topic)

My question is this: how is that the the Best Picture nominees JUST HAPPEN to also be the same films that have the Best Sound Editing? Why can't, say, That's My Boy be a piece of shit that happens to have kick-ass sound editing?

AshDigital wrote:

Breaking Bad: Canada

I used to catch the occasional episode of Da Vinci's Inquest late at night, and it killed me how polite the Canadian cops were to everyone.

"We gotta stop this guy. Get him off the streets, and make everybody safe again."

"Ya.... And get him some help, eh."

"Oh, ya, sure. He needs some real help. Let's go talk to his mom. I know her pretty good."

Thanks again, Jimmy!

I just love Fry and Laurie and continue to revisit A Bit of Fry and Laurie on Amazon Instant from time to time.

David Mitchell has begun to really grow on me from QI, and—now that I'm aware of them from this thread—his Soapbox rants for The Guardian.

I was a big fan of The Young Ones when it got picked up by MTV in '80s, but I liked Nigel Planer best, and nothing else he's done has come over, so I've barely caught snippets of him since.

Jennifer Saunders is just tremendous, and her version of "I Need a Hero" is (thanks, perhaps, to the miracle of Auto-Tune), absolutely fabulous.

I just watched The Adjustment Bureau and almost turned it off half-way thru. It's a really well-crafted movie that doesn't know what it wants to be. It acts like a sci-fi thriller, but it's set up like a fantasy rom-com. The movie probably should have just been a full-out fantasy rom-com, with the Men in Hats played by Chris Rock and Patrick Warburton. Then at least the fact that it's a mash-up of Men in Black, Fringe's Observers, The Matrix, Monsters, Inc., and The Graduate would be more forgivable. It's a Philip K Dick story, so it was probably originally intended to feel more like Dark City, but the love-conquers-all theme overlaid on it changes that completely. How can you take Terence Stamp seriously when he's trying to keep two lovers apart by complaining about humans starting world wars?

I watched Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol yesterday. It was a weird combination of clunky and fun. It felt like a dull script had been punched up by somebody with good comedic skills, and then Brad Bird threw money at it until it looked good. The villain is virtually nonexistent. Jeremy "What Makes You Think I'm Not a Minor Character?" Renner feels out of place. And Paula Patton hasn't quite got the moxie for the role. But Cruise and Pegg are rock solid. The ending has an unintentionally hilarious moment when Ethan Hunt congratulates the others because they worked so well together... only they actually argued constantly, failed to trust each other, and fucked up at every opportunity.

I also watched The Fantastic Mr. Fox after stumbling across it and getting hooked. I like Wes Anderson but not enough to seek him out and so haven't seen Darjeeling Limited or Moonrise Kingdom. It was exactly what a Roald Dahl-penned, Wes Anderson-directed, Henry Selik-animated, George Clooney-starring movie ought to be, which is quirky, stilted, bourgeois sad, full of awkward humor, and focuses on people who are wonderful and yet often let people down. Altho thematically more appropriate for adults, it has plenty of appeal for children, if your children are nerds. (I loved the fact that the characters swear by saying "cuss" in place of actual swear words, which leads to a hilarious exchange between Clooney and Bill Murray that sounds like it came out of the airline cut of Glengarry Glen Ross.)

A tableau of Natalie Portmans. A Portmanteau, if you will.

940

(1,649 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Wow the late 80s sucked.

Also: not one Elvis song?

Jeez, he wants $85 a print.... and they're only 24" high instead of 36" poster size.

Still... he's also done The Goonies, Shaun of the Dead, and even North by Northwest.

Dorkman wrote:
iJim wrote:

Is this a a documented phenomena? Like the Tarantino/Kubrick/Film Snob phase?

It is, actually. In the process of becoming a more sophisticated film viewer, in my experience and observation you pass through the "everything is bullshit" phase.

I may have passed thru that after my Schwarzenegger/Willis/Spielberg phase, probably in the early '90s when I realized that Speed was pretty much the best action movie Hollywood had to offer at the time. Then came Pulp Fiction, and I slid right into Tarantino/Kubrick/Film Snob.

Then came Coen/Burton/Pixar. Then film noir/Kurosawa/Hitchcock. Then hentai/giallo/sexploitation/Ingmar Bergman (it was a confusing time). Then Nolan/Whedon/Asylum, which this forum has helped me get over.

I don't know what's next.

I didn't see a lot in theaters and only caught a couple of this year's entries on disk afterward.  sad

  • Dark Knight Rises

  • The Hobbit

  • Skyfall

  • The Avengers

  • Hotel Transylvania

  • Looper

  • John Carter

  • Amazing Spider-Man

Of these, The Avengers was most enjoyable. Only Hotel Transylvania and John Carter were much of a disappointment.

944

(14 replies, posted in Episodes)

They recommend...

  • Friday Night Lights (Teague)

  • The Descendents (Trey)

  • The Help (Trey)

  • Midnight in Paris (Trey)

  • Celeste and Jesse Forever (Trey)

  • Homeland (Trey's strongest)

  • The Walking Dead - season 3 (Trey and Mike - Brian's strongest)

  • Breaking Bad (Teague and Mike)

  • Weeds - seasons 1-3 or 4 (Teague)

  • Indie Game (Teague and Trey)

  • Resurrect Dead (Trey and Teague)

  • Damninteresting.com (Teague)

  • Pitch Perfect (Teague's strongest)

  • Go On (Trey)

  • The Cruise and Up to Speed (Teague)

  • Dredd (Mike's strongest)

  • Cloud Atlas (Mike)

  • Holden Hill (Teague)

Warnings...

  • The Master (Teague)

  • Revolution (Trey and Brian)

Yojimbo is amazing, and Sanjuro is even more fun, if less Jungian. The Seven Samurai is fantastic, but not something I want to revisit as often, largely because of its length.

TSS certainly ranks above Stray Dog for me, which I just watched today. It was made in '49 but looks like it was shot in the '30s. Mifune and Shimura are cops searching for a kid who is committing crimes with Mifune's gun. It's great in comparison to other films of the time but dull by comparison to his later work. Its chief problem is that it's too much like a dull episode of NYPD Blue (or every episode of Dragnet), but only because it and Naked City defined the police procedural.

I have yet to see Ikiru, which Roger Ebert says is Kurosawa's best.

946

(91 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I think Looper has some very interesting themes of morality and personal growth and change. The fact that the plot doesn't completely hold together doesn't negate that. Plenty of Hitchcock's stuff falls apart in your hands when you start to take it apart. I love a tightly-plotted story as much as the next guy, but if all it is is action, then I'm probably not going to love it.

That said, I think Looper's themes fight with its plot(s) instead of being reinforced by them. It's great that Young Joe grows and finds the value of living for something other than himself, but Old Joe—who already learned that—shouldn't forget it and just abandon himself to mindless revenge—PREvenge?—on a toddler.

947

(91 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Just got this delivered today and just watched it. Lots of fun, but I agree with bullet3, Rikkitikkitavi, and Michael. It's like two solid bars welded together: it's a bit uneven and there's a visible seam.

Also, I could have saved JGL 3 hours in the makeup chair every day with two lines of dialog.

YOUNG JOE
This is what I'm gonna look like in the future?

OLD JOE
I got plastic surgery and created a new identity to disappear. It didn't completely work... obviously.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

It's a time machine. If you're setting it for a specific time in the past, it shouldn't matter what time he enters the machine in the future, right? Maybe the machine only goes back thirty years?

Johnson addresses this in the Blu-ray extras. He says his time machines send stuff back 30-years-and-change every time, so if you're a little late getting the guy sent, then he arrives a little later than planned. That makes sense; otherwise, you could send all victims to the same time and place to be killed all at once.

But that raises a different question: how come these gangsters are usually so punctual—on both ends? Can you really rely on a guy like Seth to even be at the destination on time? Why not send two loopers to every kill? They can't be expensive; the streets appear to be a shooting gallery.

More important, how dumb is it that a looper who survives into the future gets kidnapped and sent back via time machine to keep him from blabbing about... the fact that the mob disposes of people by sending them back via time machine? The looper has apparently not spilled the beans for 30 years DESPITE KNOWING YOU'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY MURDER HIM THAT WAY. I think you're more likely to have problems with your CURRENT KIDNAPPERS/TIME MACHINE TECHNICIANS. Also, if you really think this would be a problem, DON'T HIRE YOUNG GUYS TO BE LOOPERS.

Branco wrote:

they made a movie about a traveler coming back in time to eliminate his future enemy while they're still a child, but it turns out that his biggest obstacle is the child's gun-toting, hard-as-nails mother... AND THEY EVEN NAMED HER SARAH!!!!!!!!!

Acknowledgement to the works of Harlan Ellison.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

Gotta disagree about the characters. I think that while a few of them fade into the background, most are drawn pretty distinctly.

But that's what I mean. Four of the samurai are pretty distinctive, but the others all blur into each other. Even the leader of the bandits is barely a presence.

In TMS, the cowboys all have particular traits and quirks that set them apart. The fake samurai (Toshiro Mifune's character) is even split up to make the kid more colorful (brash but hiding a secret), Bronson more likeable (the kids following him), and McQueen funnier (repeatedly talking about girls). And the bandit leader gets a far bigger and more interesting part.

TSS is the better film but mainly because its themes are richer and its action is better staged. Those repeated charges into the town are amazing.

EDIT: Of course, if you cut the characters down from seven to three, you'd have time to make them much more colorful. Plus, you could probably add an invisible swordsman or something.

Having watched Unforgiven with DIF yesterday and being in a western mood, I watched both The Seven Samurai and its remake The Magnificent Seven today.

TSS is impeccably plotted with complex thematic elements. But it's overlong, and it's weak when it comes to differentiating its characters. TMS draws and colors its characters beautifully. But it's thematically simpler and gets wobbly in the last third. It tries to avoid the repetitiveness of the former but sacrifices some of its gains to do it.

I may write a full review for the two of them.

950

(25 replies, posted in Episodes)

Just listened to this. Nice work.

Regarding Frances Fisher, I think the relevant resemblance is to Sondra Locke.