Writhyn wrote:Trey wrote:the whole movie should have been the third act. Start the movie with the Rebels deciding all is lost, and then one ship of wacky misfits says fuck it, there's one thing that might work and we're gonna try for it. What little back story we needed could have been covered on the flight over - guess what, my dad designed the death star and it's got a weakness, if we can just get hold of the plans. And off we go.
...Because once they set out on the REAL mission, Rogue One is actually pretty darn good, and of course I LOVE that every blessed one of 'em died. That was awesome. But that first hour... yeeesh.
This isn't the first time I've heard this, but I disagree. I thought the first "hour" was great for developing the characters and establishing motivations. And sure WE know what the Death Star can do, but it was really cool to see the characters reacting to even its low-power operation. For me, it made the Death Star (after 3 movies with a variant) more imposing and "real" than ever before.
But that's me. I'm more interested in hearing from Trey or anyone who agrees with him (because I'm genuinely curious): what makes the first "hour" of this movie different from the character setup from, say Star Wars '77? Couldn't that movie have started with the Alliance looking up and there's the Death Star over their secret base? Or maybe with a ship of misfits showing up at the Death Star to rescue the princess after the Tantive IV opening? Do we really need to know why a Jedi hermit, a farmboy, a scruffy smuggler, and his pet human show up to help?
I liked the setup of Rogue One, and it's fine if we disagree, but what makes it less important than the setup of Star Wars or any other movie? (since we're probably not getting a DiF discussion anytime soon)
Same here. I just got back and found it highly enjoyable and engaging story. Not on that had to b told, sure but engaging just the same.
The first hour I liked because I got to know Jyn and her family. I think I identified with Galen the most, as a character, so it was nice to see him and his motivation. Star Wars continues the let's traumatize young kids with death motif, but Jyn at least didn't have to wait forever for some sort of parent figure.
I hope that the we can get more insight in to people's likes and dislikes. 
For me:
The good:
-Characters are interesting, sarcastic, and have a history that is alluded at, with only Jyn's really being explored. Some exposition to make them interesting but not so much that it boggd down the story.
-Set pieces. Boy there a lot of them, and that probably could have been reduced. But, the thing I did like was that several felt distinct, and few felt like repeats over previous locations.
-Humor-which mostly came from KC, was written well. It was nice to have those moments of laughter before the darker tone really dominated.
-Huge space battle. Much bigger than I was expecting. Great use of footage of Gold Leader, Red Leader and other pilots.
The bad:
-Was Jedha such a problem for the Empire that they would test the Death Star? Felt like that destruction was a bit unnecessary.
-The Imperial archive felt needlessly complex.
-Lie detector alien? Um, a little unnecessary and stretched out that first scene with Saw on Jedha uncomfortably long.
-Did not care for Vader's attack at the end.
There's more but that's a bit off the cuff.