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I feel like I just ran a philosophical triathlon. The thinking man's chick flick. Wait, these aren't chick flicks, are they? Wait, what the heck is a chick flick anyway? Wait, what is life anyway? I need a nap. It's 2AM. I need to go to sleep.
0:00:29 - Teague claims the original discussion began about Nostalgia Critic and Confused Matthew, when it was clearly sparked by disdain for Honest Trailers and Cinema Sins.
*DING*
No podcast is without sin; but I must say, this was much more light and enjoyable than I thought it might be, based on the tone of original thread. Good show.
I'm not super experienced with video production, but I've done a few projects and I love figuring stuff out. I have AE CS5, and if you guys need some help with lightsaber grunt work I'd be happy to lend a hand, but probably only till the end of August when my semester starts.
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But again, it makes absolutely no difference what they "intend" it to be. What matters is what's there.
Yes, and I'm saying that what's there is what they intended, it's just misinterpreted by some people, just like most everything. But I know what they intended is there because it's plain to the people who get it. Like BDA was saying.
Just like bad art is still art, bad criticism is still criticism. It really doesn't matter if they intend it to be something else. It is what it is.
When you say, "It is what it is," I think you're saying that it is what it is interpreted to be, and not what it intends to be. The problem is that nothing is going to be interpreted in the same way by everyone. If some people miss it, as Pav was saying, then they don't really understand what it is.
Some art is so screwed up that no one can decipher the intent, and at that point I would say that it's not what the artist intended for it to be; but I would say that CS and HT are what they are intend to be. Some people will miss it, but if they attempted to spoon-feed their intentions to everyone, it would detract from the entertainment.
EDIT: Not to give CS and HT too much credit, they're definitely not perfect. They do miss the target sometimes.
They are absolutely taking eyes off serious film critics, for the same reason Olive Garden is more popular then authentic Italian food.
Picking nits here, but Olive Garden has slowly been losing market share. And plenty of Italian places near me are doing great.
Not saying it invalidates your entire argument. Just noting. I'll go back to staying out of it for now.
Haha, fair enough.
Maybe a better example (to go back to the point of the thread) is the Transformers series. Plenty of people will choose to see Trans4mers this weekend instead of Edge of Tomorrow.
You're losing me here. Are you saying plot hole criticism is the reason people flock to see movies riddled with faulty logic (like Transformers) and shy away from well-made, tightly-written movies (like Edge of Tomorrow)?
It seems to me that the movies that CS and HT tear apart the worst tend to be the worst movies. Not just because of their logic issues, but because they're truly pissed at those movies for lots of reasons and they really want to rip into them.
Even beyond that, it's blatant click-bait bullshit, taking the most popular thing of the moment and making a dumb youtube video about it that contributes nothing of value, except that it generates millions of clicks and thousands in ad revenue. It's beyond cynical.
At this point, most content is click-bait. People have to draw attention and make money. Some click-bait is worth clicking, some isn't. I tend to enjoy the honest trailers well enough. So I click and watch.
The CinemaSins/Honest Trailers people have demonstrated time and time again that this is how they think films should be looked at, and thousands upon thousands of people apparently agree. Fuck those guys.
If you watch Screen Junkies' other content with Hal and the gang, it is evident that that is not their point of view on film.
I don't see what's so repulsive about Honest Trailers and CinemaSins. Yes, a lot of the points they make are cheap or invalid, but they can be fun to watch if you don't take them as serious critique. I tend to just brush off the lame stuff and have fun with the rest of it.
Between virtually every book reader I know sniggering to themselves and telling me they knew exactly what shot was going end this season for the past 4 months, and it was going to blow everyone's mind, I was expecting more.
Trey wrote:
Wait'll you see what they do for Mother's Day next year...
Trey, I'm going to call you on being part of the problem here. It's not just about spoiling plot points (of which you have revealed none), it's about spoiling the experience by building expectations the show has not. Let's keep our snickers in the other thread.
For what it's worth, I saw that as a joke, nothing more. I'm not expecting anything crazy on Mother's Day next year.
I heard no hype going into it and I thought the finale was very good. The Brienne/Hound fight was brutal and intense. I was on the edge of my seat. I just wish I knew what Arya's deal was when the Hound was laying there, dying. I didn't understand why she didn't kill him, or even speak. Can anyone shed more light on that (in a non-spoilery way)?
I really wanted Tyrion to pull that trigger on Tywin, but I'm afraid he's going a little crazy town banana pants on us.
The good news is that it seems like we may get a lot more time with Varys next season. Of course, those could be the famous last words before they kill him off in the second episode.
It amazes me the way Cruise consistently finds interesting properties where he can play charming but utterly soulless characters. Cage has an enormous arc and yet still hardly seems human in the end.
I think that is the main reason why this movie will be forgotten relatively quickly by the general masses (apart from the low box office numbers and the dumb title). It's a great ride, very well paced and interesting. It's hard to find anything really wrong with it. But it's not going to affect people like many other movies, even a lot of worse movies do. This movie is better than Transformers, but I can connect with Sam Witwicky deeper than I can with Cage. Shia Labeouf may not be the reason people go to see Transformers, but he solidifies an emotional connection with the movie.
I think Edge of Tomorrow will live on as a movie that people use to compare box office numbers with crappy hit blockbusters and ask what the world is coming to.
I didn't mind Last Stand, but I hated First Class with great ferocity. I honestly can't fathom why people like it or Jennifer "I'm Unfamiliar With Your Hyoo-man Facial Expressions" Lawrence.
I can't remember enough of Last Stand to even form an opinion of it. But I'm firmly in the camp of not seeing what the big deal with First Class was/is. I remember (it has been a while) having some serious structural issues with it, and it just throwing away any shred of credibility or in-world logic it had managed to gain with me. And then yeah, I remember some pretty not great effects, and the entire thing was just left me feeling..."myeh, sure, that happened, I guess." Not hate, just confusion at why this was anything other than another movie like this.
-shrug- Should probably rewatch it and see if my opinion's changed.
That's the same way I felt, I didn't understand all the praise. When it was released, there were some people saying First Class was the best super hero movie EVER. Hah. Feh. No. It kind of made me lose a lot of interest in X-Men movies. I just got tired of them. Then when The Wolverine came around I had no desire to see it. I did eventually see it on Blu-ray and enjoyed it well enough I guess. I thought DoFP was at least better than those two, enjoyable enough; but I'm still a little tired of these movies. I don't know what it is. Maybe because it's all sort of episodic and not really leading toward any sort of ending. Maybe the characters just don't really captivate me. I don't know.
And I agree about the J-Law craze. I just don't get it. She may be a really cool person, but that's got nothing to do with her acting. I don't think she's a bad actor, but again, I don't understand all the praise.
I liked it. Didn't blow my hair back, and there was some serious fridge logic I had a hard time getting over. But overall I thought it was pretty good.
I don't know what you guys saw in DeHaan's portrayal of Harry. I thought it was awful, beyond just the pacing of the character. Just wrong for the part in my opinion.
I also enjoyed the Peter/Gwen relationship bits, but any scene involving a villain (Electro or Harry) just didn't work for me at all, for reasons of both character and plot in each case. I guess I was entertained enough during the movie, but overall there were too many ridiculous things happening for me to get over.