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Whatever just happened, the forum's now an un-navigable mess in IE.  The header and the forum listings are overlaid on top of one another.   Took me several random clicks at where I assumed this thread would be, in order to get here and post this.  smile

I know supporting IE isn't the highest priority these days, but anyway, FYI.

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That's a good point, and on that note: since Intermission and DiF share the same About page, the About Page should probably start with a brief description of both.  i.e. DiF: you sync your copy of a movie etc etc.  Intermission, same crew but 30 min long and not movie-specific.

Unless Intermission will someday get its own About link, the same way (I'm guessing?) the iTunes and Rss links will toggle appropriately once Intermission is fully out of beta.

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I never thought Time Bandits was really about materialism, but rather nihilism.  To me the ending summed up the movie by saying "And now you know the universe is run by fools and lunatics.   So you're on your own, good luck!"   Yes, the thread of materialism is there, but I see it as a symptom of the above - people aspire to own tacky furniture because well, it's something to do.  It's as valid and/or as meaningless as any other pursuit. 

Gilliam pretty much said the same thing again in Brazil... which I suppose is why those are my two favorite movies of his.  smile

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switch wrote:

I'd keep the geekza episode.  you're only going to have one episode where trey reacts to a movie he's never seen when the title of said movie is Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.  Besides, it was a good episode.  That alone makes it worth keeping

I said the same thing, but was outvoted.  So now I have to watch that movie again.

Damn.  Now we're nothing.

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Dorkman wrote:

A bastard, maybe. Liable for the accident, no. If he'd had the kids in during legal hours and told the parents what was going to happen, that wouldn't have much changed how it went down, so those two items are immaterial to the question of liability.

But the issue was, they did the shoot late at night, and downplayed the danger to the parents because what they were doing was illegal.   Having actual minors involved with a helicopter and pyro effects was a violation of a half-ton of really good laws, and the prosecution's case was that Landis (and co. - there were three co-defendants) deliberately and intentionally circumvented those laws. 

Witnesses testified that they had informed Landis the scene must be done with stunt doubles or dummies, but that Landis wanted the real kids and Vic Morrow there, to make the scene look all awesome and stuff.  There were also stories of other, earlier safety violations that just happened to not end in death.  I wasn't there, so I don't know the truth of it... but I have been on sets where corners were cut jussst a little because, hey, what could happen?  Never on that scale, though.

So if they'd done the scene legally and stunt performers had been killed, that would have been a tragedy.    Or if there had been some terrible mishap on set that killed three actors, again - tragic.  But these things can happen.   It was the apparent premeditated breaking of numerous rules in order to PUT a name actor and two children in harm's way that made it a criminal trial.

As I recall, Dorsey Wingo (the helicopter pilot and one of the co-defendants) almost requested a separate trial - because Landis and the other two (the production manager and pyro guy)were sorta leaning toward blaming it all on him for missing his mark and getting caught in the pyro blast.  But the takes clearly included Landis' voice yelling "Lower, lower!" so that argument probably didn't stand much of a chance.  And for Wingo,  "I knew it was dangerous but the director told me to do it" isn't a great defense either.

At the time, I was shocked that Landis and co. didn't go to prison .  Not that I wanted them to do time, I just assumed it was inevitable.  The trial was a very big deal for a very long time, and it looked like they were gonna be the scapegoats for getting caught doing something that everybody in the industry had done at one time or other.

Cocaine, hell of a drug.

O RLY?

Orson Welles
1.  The Muppet Movie, Michael Earl (puppeteer)
2.  Team America.   Booyah.

Russell Crowe

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You're supposed to feel guilty, but dirty is close enough.

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Phil LOVES dinosaurs.  He just hates interviews.

Death By Stereo wrote:

But one thing i never understood tho.. Quint was a shark fisherman. So why was he on Amity island, where there were no sharks? that would be like opening a landscape gardening company at the north pole. Makes no sense!

Just a point of clarification:  there are sharks pretty much everywhere there's salt water.  They just don't bother much with people, you have to go looking for them.   But the shark in Jaws is a rogue - it's a Great White, which is unusual for that area.  And it specifically targets humans, which is unusual for sharks in general.

So Quint's like the local dogcatcher who gets called in because suddenly there's a werewolf loose in the... holy crap, I just got a great idea for a movie.  *runs away*

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The DiF movie good-movie theology is just a loose amalgamation of the theories of Goldman, Mamet, Snyder, Field, McKee, etc.   But I agree that it's well worth discussing for an Intermission or two.    For example, the pros and cons of all those screenwriting books - although we disparage the late Mr. Snyder sometimes, we also quote him a lot, what's up with that?

On that note, now that the State of California caused Amazon to cancel the affiliate program, have we done away with the "Recommended Reading" links entirely?   Still would be good to have a list of books we recommend for folks who want to know more about this silly business.   Even if we don't get a penny for every sale.

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Squiggly_P wrote:

The Thing is barely a remake, really. It's got the same basic idea going on, but the original flick was just another dime a dozen campy monster movie with a few interesting twists thrown in. Carpenter took the idea and actually made it scary. Both of them are kinda sorta based on At The Mountains Of Madness.

I'm sure you meant to say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Goes_There%3F

And although The Thing From Another World may look like just another run-of-the-mill '50s monster flick NOW, it wasn't - for its time it was one of the best of the genre, which is why it's still remembered.   But the fact that it looks shoddy to modern eyes is exactly the argument for the Carpenter remake, which is also now a classic.   

As to whether the latest remake was worth doing, well... doesn't seem like it, but I haven't seen it yet.

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That last one needs a little something.   Wait, I got it - talking animals!

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Zarban wrote:

For the record, I think that "on topic" includes (highest to lowest relevancy):

  • Whatever movie story occurs to Trey

This one time, I was in a fire with both hands up an actress's dress... nah, I should wait until we do that movie.

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I mentioned this one in an Intermission - it just came to me off the top of my head at the time, but the more I think about it, I believe Buckaroo Banzai was just too ahead of its time, both culturally and cinema-technologically.   In the right hands, a Buckarooboot could be awesome - for example, it could be the uber-movie we've been waiting for Zak Snyder to make.

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I would erase the first "________ Movie", whichever it was.  (Scary, I think?).  If that would prevent the existence of the umpteen others that followed, then Western civilization would actually be improved. 

Sure, plenty of braindead, utterly useless movies have been made by major studios, but the "_____ Movie" series lowered that bar farther than previously seemed possible.

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Dorkman wrote:

The back of your hand.

I was gonna say "the door", but Dorkman's response  is better.

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Aerik wrote:

And Ford as Indy is kind of a given. I see pictures of Henry Selick auditioning for the role, and my brain starts to hurt with cognitive dissonance. I can't look at the pictures for too long.

Tom Selleck was the candidate to play Indy.  Henry Selick directed Nightmare Before Christmas and Coraline.

But the image of Henry Selick as Indy will now be stuck in my head for quite a while.  Cognitive dissonance indeed.
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In other Moby news, I just received this email:

Dear  Trey Stokes.

My name is Rey Sanchez, I´m 27 years old and I´m Professor
of "Films & Motion Pictures" at a local university: http://www.unellez.edu.ve

I´d like to know if you can send me as a donation (by Postal Service)
the following DVD-Film directed by Trey Stokes: 2010 Moby Dick (2010)

I need this DVD-Film, in order to get better my classes, because
I´m working on a project with my students based on the study of
Trey Stokes´s  film directing.

The DVD-Film will be used for educational purposes only.
If you wish to help me, you can use the following postal address:

How about that?  There's a Venezuelan "Films and Motion Pictures" class devoted to my work!  Or I guess there WILL be such a class, just as soon as I send them my work to study.

This is really flattering and in no way a scam, because if you Google this guy you will find he's also a "Professor of Musicology" who needs Pink Floyd CD's.  The guy holds TWO professorships, people!

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bullet3 wrote:

I feel obligated to point out this new Asylum release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG5EyV8ZQ8I
Look what your friends have done Trey! I blame you by association.

I was not involved in that project, however I was a witness to the exact moment of its creation.

We were in the midst of post on Moby, and one of the Asylum honchos was in the editing room waiting to look at the cut.  He was thumbing through Variety, and I distinctly remember him saying "Huh, they're remaking Three Musketeers.  We definitely should do that one."   

The Asylum:  It Works Just Like You Think It Does

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Teague wrote:

...which I guess we could do with DIF, if anyone wanted us to,

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/44/Panda_DO_NOT_WANT.jpg

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FixedR6 wrote:

Sucker Punch is special like fucking the pretty, retarded girl. She's great fun in bed, does everything you ask, you just have to deal with the guilt and shame afterwards.

A program note:  Anything I may say in the Sucker Punch commentary will be redundant compared to the above. 

Well played, sir.

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Teague wrote:

AlsoIlovetheSerenitypilotbecauseitdoeswhatIsaidIwantittodo. *ahem*

Fair enough.  Who knows, if the FoxTeagues had thought the same way, we might be living in some Fringe-universe where Firefly ran for six seasons.

Meh, probably not.   Firefly wasn't really a good fit for network at the time.  Maybe now in the post-Lost era, it would have a shot.

Or better yet, imagine a world where Firefly was on HBO.   Holy god.

/for one thing, we would have seen Inara's breasts
/a lot

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Teague wrote:

You have 22, 42, or 60 minutes to tell me who the protagonist is, what they want, what the stakes are, and what's standing in their way. If you do, and those things all make sense, I'm probably interested to find out what happens. If you don't, I'm probably not.

You realize that your argument is exactly why Fox chose to not air the real Firefly pilot, and started with The Train Job instead, right?   

Teague The Fox Exec of 2000 wrote:

Joss, I know you like to say "the first six episodes are the pilot" but we've got a network to run here.  If the kids don't get it right away, you're off the air.   So screw your elaborate world-building, no one cares.  Make it an hour long, make me like the characters, make it fun and get it over with.   Capisce?

But here's the thing.  TeagueFox was right, because they're a commercial network.   They need the ratings to sell the advertising to pay for the show.   What Teague wants from a show is exactly what network tv executives demand - hit the ground running and grab the audience by the balls in the first ten minutes.  Get people watching and keep them watching or we won't even bother to air all the episodes.   

All network showrunners work for Teague, literally and figuratively.    And when they write about it on their blogs we all say "damn, that's messed up, no wonder there's nothing good on".  But that's the game.

But bear in mind that not all tv shows are created equal.   Game of Thrones and The Wire, to name two slow-starters, aren't network shows.   They're pay-cable shows.   It's nice if they get good ratings, sure.  But HBO got your money at the first of the month when you paid your cable bill, they don't live and die by ratings and ad sales.     Whether it's the movies or the late night titty shows or the original series, as long as you're getting enough monthly jollies to keep paying your HBO bill, everybody at HBO keeps their jobs.   

Which is why pay-cable stations are where you tend to find shows that build more slowly and elaborately.   HBO shows don't get canceled, they're gonna air the whole thing.  They might not renew it if it's a real dog, but they don't yank a show off the air just because the pilot didn't pull in a big number.    Also unlike a network, they're also gonna air the pilot ten times in the first week, and give the audience an even better chance to find it and get on board.

Right now I'm going through this very thing with Boardwalk Empire (another HBO one), which I'm catching up with when I can.   The pilot was great, but the next several episodes were a little disappointing.   Still good, but slow and seemingly uneventful.   And then in Episode Five it all kinda gelled and I was pulled in again.   I had the same experience with Rome, come to think of it, another HBO show that would never get greenlit by  a commercial network.

Hell, HBO just renewed Treme even though it still hasn't caught on with audiences after two seasons.   Why?  Who knows, but it's partly just because they can afford to.   I watched the first episode of Treme.  Didn't care for it, haven't gone back.   Ditto for True Blood, which is a huge hit.  I don't get it, but I don't have to.  And I suppose one of these days I'm gonna have to give Deadwood a try.  But for now, gimme more Thrones and Boardwalk and we'll still be pals, HBO.   

I just had a lengthy meeting yesterday about pitching shows to various networks, and why they're different, so this stuff is fresh in my mind.   Let's at least be glad there IS a place where storytellers can tell their not-for-everyone stories.     Carnivale and Earth to the Moon and Band of Brothers would never have gotten made at a network either.   Or as Danny said on Studio 60:  "Nations should be on HBO, not a network.  Because it's good."

Anyway, just sayin that if a show starts with the HBO logo, be semi-prepared for a slow-starter.  That's one of the reasons people take certain projects to HBO.

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Eddie wrote:

Like, she takes nude photos of herself in the bath covered only by her Dalek, nerd.

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