Zarban wrote:

I don't think Cruise cares much about sequels, especially to something like Edge of Tomorrow

Unfortunately I wasn't referring to the reduced chance of sequels to EoT specifically, I meant less chance of a studio risking another mega-budget non-franchise project.    "Hey, Edge of Tomorrow was GREAT and it died.  Fuck it, let's just make a movie about PopTarts or something."

With Transformers and Godzilla you're basically seeing the result of marketing and brand recognition.  You can hype almost any movie to a #1 opening weekend if it's got a recognizable brand name to build from. If the movie drops like a rock afterward, that usually means it wasn't all that great - or at least not of interest outside the core market.  So the wider audience wasn't interested and repeat business wasn't very strong. 

See also: Fault in our Stars, Pacific Rim, etc.  Opened huge, then fell off a cliff.   Core audience showed up, but nobody else.  Compare to the first Hunger Games:  built-in audience to get started with, but turned out to be entertaining to the rest of the world as well. Good buzz, good reviews, so - opened big, stayed big.

Other side of the equation - poor lil' Edge of Tomorrow.  Hyped like crazy, but no brand name.  And the Tom Cruise brand is sorta shaky in the US.  So, opened below #1... and then just hung in week after week, staying around #3-5, gradually creeping toward 100 mil (which it STILL hasn't hit, but will in another week or so).     That's repeat biz and good word of mouth at work.

Unfortunately, modern studio deals are set up so they get the biggest take from the opening weekend, and less of a percentage afterward.   So on the books, Godzilla still probably looks pretty good and worth making another half dozen just like it.  But Edge of Tomorrow?  Meh.

I think the wild card of the summer is Guardians of the Galaxy which will certainly do okay, but might be a monster.   Marketing, check.  Brand name, sorta check (Marvel, although this property hasn't been done before).  But speaking as someone who definitely does not say "oh hooray another goddam Marvel movie", I gotta admit this one looks pretty fun, and I'm okay to go.   If Guardians is as nifty as the trailers suggest, it could be this year's Avengers, and for the same reasons.

Aha, you're right.  The chart sez those are the only two movies that passed Mori without passing Bechdel.  I assume Gravity would also go into that rather unusual category.

And the chimpanzees are supposed to be the enlightened ones!  Go figure.

ANYway, that's a good example of why Bechdel shouldn't be used as an automatic pass/fail for every movie.  I think The Grey and Life of Pi deserve an exemption, among others.

On the other hand, it is no surprise at all that movies like Ted and Ghost Rider and The Watch fail the test.  Because of course they do.

Hey, rules are rules.   Chimpanzees are clearly supporting the patriarchy.

And even the "bad guy" is female!

The interesting thing is that the entire discussion of whether Bullock in Gravity is a good role model, or well-written or acted, etc, isn't even within the scope of the Bechdel test.   

Bechdel was pointing out how few women are in movies at all, and how few of those only exist as appendages to the male characters.  The fact that we can even have a debate about whether Sandy's character is weak or strong is a relative luxury.  The shocker is that there's a character like that in a movie to begin with.

No, Brody's a scaredy-cat Police Chief which is totally cool and heroic.  smile   

Tongue out of cheek now - Bullock isn't an astronaut, she's a payload specialist who had just enough training to get her up there and back.  Clooney's the astronaut.   Bullock's barely hanging on when the mission is still going well.   This isn't unprecedented even in real life, at least not for those of us who remember Barfin' Jake Garn.   

Now, the question of how she's a medical doctor who somehow is a payload specialist installing gizmos on the Hubble - now there I also scratch my head.  hmm

Zarban wrote:

I don't think I'd show Gravity to a little girl and say "This is what you should aspire to."

Not that either of us is likely to have this problem anytime soon, but I totally would.

Come to think of it, I don't think Edge of Tomorrow passes Bechdel either - but certainly Emily Blunt is more than just "the girl" in that tale.  Because of the peculiar constraints of the plot she can't have a full "arc" like Cruise's character, but enough is gradually revealed about her to make her a person with her own back story and goals.
So maybe not a Bechdel slam-dunk, but hardly a Megan Fox Transformers Barbie either.

I totally disagree with the assessment that Bullock is a weak character.   She has moments of weakness, then rises above them.   Clooney - who's stuck playing the paper-thin stereotype - saves her bacon a couple of times at first, but he's out of the movie early on.  From then until the end, Bullock saves herself, over and over again.   

Is she weak just because she sometimes gets overwhelmed by her situation, and nearly gives up at one point?  I don't think so.   That's not being weak, that's being a person.  Admittedly one who's more real than we normally get in an action thriller, male or female.   It'd certainly be a surprise to see a male character being so "non-heroic" as that, but wouldn't that be awesome?

At any rate, neither passing nor failing the Bechdel test has any bearing on whether the actual movie is good or bad.  And certainly has nothing to do with whether a female character is to be admired or respected as a superhero badass.  For example Heavenly Creatures passes the Bechdel test by a mile.  And good for Heavenly Creatures.  You go, teen murder girls.  Because at least you are the focus of a movie and aren't cardboard cutouts. 

And that's all Bechdel was asking for.   It's a nice bonus to be able to debate whether a character like Bullock's is weak or strong.   The problem remains that there are so few movies with a female character to even debate about.

Eddie wrote:

Thing I'm writing right now passes.  I DID IT!

Same here.  smile And yes, it's because I made sure it did.   Not because the "test" is an automatic pass/fail, it just reminded me to make sure I was giving the female characters valid reasons to exist in the movie.

My personal writing trick is that I always ask myself - what if this character was [a different gender]?  In the case of the thing I'm writing right now, it led to both a female hero and villain.   And so they interact a lot, and it's never about a man.    I didn't do that to win accolades from Jezebel someday, I just thought it made the story more interesting.

As the article itself says, the Bechdel test is often misapplied, or applied too strictly.  Gravity has only one female character and so it "fails" the first part of the test - but there are only TWO characters in the entire movie.  That's a very different circumstance than your average Transformers flick, with twenty male speaking parts and one female for eye candy and rescue purposes.   And even though Gravity "fails" the test, it's otherwise a rare example of a movie with a fully-drawn female character who drives the story.

The "Mori test" is just a similar concept - it accepts that there aren't a lot of female leads in movies - so if there IS one, is she at least a character and not just "the girl"? 

As I've said before, the Bechdel Test is like a doctor taking a temperature - an anomalous reading doesn't automatically mean there's a problem, but it's an easy and quick way to check if there might be one.  Might be a minor problem, might be serious - for that you have to look deeper.    Saving Private Ryan doesn't pass the Bechdel Test OR the Mori test, but that's not really a problem, considering what the movie's about.

Really, both "tests" are about the same thing - is/are the female characters in this movie actual characters, or just there so the boys have something to ogle?   Which is a perfectly valid question to ask, always.

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Teague wrote:

since they're all Pink Fivey I'd wanna wait for Trey's okay-to-go before posting the lot of 'em publicly

Make 'em non-listed and just post the links here and that's fine.

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Yeah, the hologram isn't as risky because it isn't meant to simulate a real solid object, and it's also (presumably) self-illuminating.  So you have more wiggle room there before it looks "wrong" to the audience.

And the tracking for something like that isn't TOO hard these days, as long as certain considerations are met when shooting.  In your example, that wristband is what made the shot trackable - it's got several small but clear shapes on it, which are visible to camera during the entire shot.   That's what tracking software needs to do a track most easily. 

If she wasn't wearing the band, or moved her arm more and thus obscured or blurred the trackable points at times, it would still be do-able but would take much more effort.

So if you design a shot that is more or less like the one in the example, that'd be on the "easier" side of the scale, not far above saber roto.

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Yes, lightsaber roto is the easiest thing on the list.  Time-consuming, sure, but well within the skillset of many people, doesn't require very high-end software to achieve, and requires almost no special handling while shooting. 

Greenscreen compositing - do-able, but requires proper lighting and other special considerations during shooting to achieve decent results.

Integrating CG models with live action - assuming you want it to look halfway "real" - requires the most skill and better CG tools.

So the safest path would be to only use real backgrounds, and standalone all-FX shots that can be created by someone else from scratch and then dropped in.    Any shot requiring mixture of your shots with CG (aside from saber roto) is riskier, and ideally should be discussed at length with whoever will do the fx.

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I hope they do the same for "Come On Eileen"!

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If nothing else, it makes for a great piece of trivia. 

Q. What do Dracula Untold and Real Genius have in common?

A.  The same theme song!

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Faldor wrote:
Trey wrote:

I doubt anyone could make a similar trailer out of the prequels.

And so my point has been proven.   Not nearly as much humor to draw from, and what humor there is, is kinda lame.

It doesn't go into release until next week, but I can already recommend LIFE ITSELF, the Roger Ebert doc. 

Ebert was a major champion of the doc Hoop Dreams when it came out years ago - as a result the director of Hoop Dreams got total access to tell the story of Ebert's life, including the final days of it. 

I've seen the movie already and thought it was great.  One warning, his mind was as sharp as ever, but in his final days Ebert looked like something out of a horror movie, and the doc certainly deserves the use of the word "unflinching".   But after the initial shock you just kinda get used to the idea that the jawless guy with the robot voice is still Roger.

Anyway, go see it, I says.  One thumb up.

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Anyway, there's entirely too much weight being given lately to answers given in interviews by the show's directors and actors.   TV is almost the direct opposite of movies in terms of who knows what about content.   In TV the writers run the show, literally, and they hire those other folks.  Especially beware the director-as-ultimate-authority trope - that's a movie thing, and absolutely not a tv thing.

So last week when people got weird because one of the GoT directors didn't have much to say about Lady S, well, duh.  It's a character he's never had to direct, which means he hasn't had to think about her yet.   When they hand him a Lady S. script, he'll get invested in her.   

Same with Michelle F.   Someday her agent may tell her, "good news, you're on a plane to Ireland next month" but until then Lady S. isn't going to be high on her radar either.

Finally, a chance for the non-GoT-readers to have their revenge. 

"You guys are gonna lose your sh*t when you see what doesn't happen in THIS episode!"

As I said in the episode, this is what I especially liked about SWT - it attempts something interesting with the very form of what a documentary is, or is generally accepted to be.   If you dislike documentaries that aren't honest about what they're portraying and have an unreliable narrator, that's normal.  Now imagine if the documentary was your actual life, and the unreliable narrator was your mother.

So me, I like that the movie messes with you the same way life messed with the filmmaker.   The doc is about the family history that she was presented with, some of which turned out to be fictional.    Which she then starts to deal with in a filmic way by making her own imagined versions of events. 

In the end, SWT isn't meant as a detective story that says "so this is what really happened", but an examination of how memories - and thus a lot of what we are - is just stories we tell ourselves.

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You're correct that I was sketchy on the political details of the Berlin Airlift.  But based on my time in Berlin, the locals (most of whom weren't born yet either) remember it mostly as "that time after the war when the Soviets were really being dicks for some reason and we almost starved."

So yes, there were political reasons at the higher levels, but down on the ground it was more like "damn, those Russians are still really pissed at us."   Which they sorta had reason to be - the German/Russian side of the war was particularly hideous.

Anyway, what I was getting at was that punitive sort of idea could be fodder for a post-Empire SW tale.

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Invid wrote:

Luke (and Staci) have trained a few Jedi...

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