It was a joke about how everybody has already forgotten about it.
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It was a joke about how everybody has already forgotten about it.
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I had tickets to this on Friday and couldn't go because I was working. John Williams had better live long enough to do next year's concert.
Watched this for the first time last night. Now furiously reading the Internet in an attempt to understand.
Jeffrey, can you make your character path diagram available again?
It's almost like he was only in it for the money!
That phrase is totally streets ahead.
To go along with that, has anybody claimed Explorers? Our discussion of when the movie comes to a screeching halt should be good insight material.
I figure you release 40 or so 5 million dollar flicks a year, onto a service like netflix, and then make a REALLY BIG DEAL out of it when you make something like Cowboys vs. Aliens, more people will wind up watching both.
But there's no money in that. At least not as much money as the big spectacle tent poles. At least not in the time frame that makes any difference to the studio executives in question.
I dunno, maybe if you tied compensation to an executive for the rest of their life, a la residuals. That way individual agents have an incentive for the movies they green light to have lasting value, i.e. be well told stories. But if you're making hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year, how much do you really care about that check for $20 ten years from now?
Maybe. I live in Indiana and my biggest filmmaking experience to date was Conciousness Has a Cloth Tag, so my perspective is purely as a middle america 18-35 consumer.
Which is exactly the demographic they care about almost to exclusion. Rise up! Demand better! Grab the pitchforks! Have fun storming the castle!
No, it's true. Digital and streaming options are changing the economics of film distribution. It doesn't make sense to shell out the $20-$40 to see a movie at the theater unless it's a film that's going to use the theater to its full effect. Why shell out that money for a movie that's going to be largely the same experience at home versus the theater? Do you really need to see Revolutionary Road thirty feet tall? Not for forty bucks.
But the problem is that studios and executives are still of the mindset that the only real thing that matters is box office gross. And opening weekend box office at that. It used to be that a movie could be said to "have legs." Maybe it didn't make all its money back in the first weekend, but it did steady enough business that over the span of a month or two it did okay. Not anymore. Executives only care about those first few days and as a result, the turnover is greater. Movies don't spend as long in the theater. And once it leaves the theater, they pay it even less mind.
The movies that thrive in that mindset are ones like Alice In Wonderland. Big spectacle, no lasting value. They're not really thinking about DVDs and On Demand. They're definitely not thinking about Netflix and Hulu. It just doesn't factor into their financial equations. So they're not thinking about the kind of movies we would choose to watch at home instead of shelling out the cash to see them in the theater.
Ideally, the economics of the system would be setup so that the decision makers were incentivized to make products with lasting value. Make the best movie you can with the best story possible and you have a product that retains more value over the long term. People want to see it again, own the DVD, go to a rerelease in the future. The company has a healthier portfolio that's more stable over the long term. As a result, the company makes more money in aggregate over the next 20 years instead of having one amazing quarter followed by one lousy one.
Structure the incentives so that the decision makers care about more than opening weekend. That's what needs to happen to improve the quality of movies. Don't know how you'd go about doing that though.
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Wait a second, here's a question.
If Saito was trapped in limbo with one time dilation ration, and then all the levels above him (and Leo) collapsed so that instead of Level 5 it's Level 1, does the time dilation ratio change? Obviously the movie says it doesn't, but shouldn't it?
Gee, I wonder what position the documentary takes, putting the answer to the question before the actual question...
It comes down to the fact that these guys are only concerned about the next financial quarter, a mentality that gives us shit like Alice In Wonderland. Movies with well told stories are a product that lose less value over time. Somebody, somewhere, is still making money off Casablanca. Disney is definitely still making money off of Bambi.
But these guys don't care about the long term. They'll be gone from their current spots inside of five years, shuffled around like a deck of cards to other positions within the financial elite. They just have to make a couple of big splashes that don't have any lasting value and then they move on. So Alice In Wonderland was shit. It made it's opening weekend. Now it will fade away and be forgotten. but not before Mr. Hendrickson has moved onto bigger and better things, thanks to Alice's 'success.'
It's a perfectly valid strategy for running things if you're only concerned with the bottom line of each quarter. But if Walt Disney had been as short sighted, Disney wouldn't be around today.
THAT THING CAME OUT OF YOUR PENIS!?
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Remember reading into versus reading out from? That.
Hey, if you've got a solid thematic reason to do it, knock yourself out. But if you realize your script (or rough cut) is just too damn slow at the outset so you lop off the first half of your climax and throw it up front, then that's lazy. If you're gonna do it, have a good reason for it.
I'm sorry, I just watched too many episodes of Battlestar Galactica that tried to cover their poor plotting by throwing their cheap cliffhanger in the teaser to have much patience for this gag anymore.
The panel is right that the ship crash would be a great opening scene, but you could do that by making it a frame story. Start there, then go "ONE MONTH EARLIER" and get rid of the rich picnickers.
That's not a framing device, that's in media res or according to TVtropes, How We Got Here. And, in my opinion, it's a cheap hook and lazy writing.
It's basically the writer saying, "I can't be bothered to think up an interesting opening that establishes what I need to establish, so here's the climax right up front."
It's like if wizards were real, you've gone on adventures with them, and then many years later, after they've all gone, you hear a new one has come to town and everyone's saying the age of wizards has returned. So you go to see him... and he's an illusionist, not a wizard, performing tricks and sleights and not an ounce of true magic. And he's good, he's really good at doing what he's doing, but he's no wizard. After all the praise and buildup -- and hope, frankly, because you would LOVE to see a second age of wizards begin -- you just want to yell "Are you fucking kidding me? We've rolled with Merlin! Doesn't anyone remember what that was like?" And then you despair, because it starts to seem like no one does.
Um, let's make this movie.
Wow. Right-a-fuckin-way.
There you have it, folks, hot off the presses.
Sounds like Source Code is prime DIF material...
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