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Deamon wrote:

while you can get into the semantics I think it was clear from 1945 to those in the know just how destructive they are. I think there's a unwritten policy that who ever uses them would face a retaliation both political and military on a awesome and unholy scale.

The thing is, they originally WEREN'T that destructive compared to the over all war. Way more were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo then in the nuking of Hiroshima, for example. They were just, once you developed them, cheaper and put fewer of your own men at risk. If the next war had started out or quickly grown to involve bombing cities to intentionally kill civilians, I think nukes would have been used with no second thoughts. It's a fluke of history that there was this gap where there was time for the idea of mass murder to become morally wrong.
(there's a great news clip in Atomic Cafe of future VP candidate Lloyd Bentsen calling for the use of nukes in Korea)

North Korea has only one card so it uses it whenever it feels cornered. There political system is at its end, [low production, mass starvation etc] so expect more on this front. but they know any serious war would be the end of there government.
within a decade north Korea will collapse. I'm taking bets.

A collapse would be horrible. There's every indication that the leadership is cut off enough to think lashing out in one final spasm would be better then just fading away, and even without nukes a suicidal attack on South Korea would be devastating. In a perfect world, whatever son takes over either slowly opens up the place, or he becomes the figurehead of a council of generals who know the military reality and they try to ease the country back from the abyss.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

The US has never "targeted" China, in any meaningful sense, with nuclear weapons. We've got conventional Taiwan Strait scenarios coming out our ears, but there's no acknowledged plan for nuclear war with China.

Yeah, basically, by the time they developed the means to attack the US they were more friend then foe.

Speaking of Cold War stability, the whole pirate mess is directly tied to the end of the conflict. Both the US and USSR navies patrolled everywhere heavily and kept the pirates down. Now, Russia doesn't have much of a navy and ours is no longer widely deployed.

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Kyle wrote:

How anyone who loves the franchise could possibly not love this movie is a mystery to me.  I guess that's why there's different horses for different courses.

There are very few who love the "franchise"- most of us love one aspect of the shows, and thus will ignore/bash a Trek that is lacking or gets wrong that aspect. Thus, someone who likes the "Science" part of Trek might hate the new film, others might just not find the character interactions interesting, etc.

You mentioned Trek was dying.... good! Let it die an honorable death! Not everything must be an unending zombie franchise!

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It was suppose to have been converted to 3D, same as the recent Alice in Wonderland film. It's like going to a movie that has been colorized and bitching that this whole Technicolor thing is a fraud smile

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Yeah, just wing it. Do a freeform discussion, comment on a tv episode or two, watch Megashark vs Giant Squid, whatever. This does answer my question as to how far ahead you guys are, and if you're recording two movies at a time do you record every week....

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I'd start with the classics, the original Godzilla (uncut subtitled version) and Mothra vs Godzilla (which should be watched as social satire). The new DVDs from Classic Media have great commentaries on them as well. Good but more campy would be Invasion of Astro-Monster. After that they start going down hill. For good non Godzilla monster films, Frankenstein Conquers the World and War of the Gargantuas are well worth watching. I especially love the subtle love story in Frankenstein- there was no way the studio could show a relationship between star Nick Adams and his female Japanese assistant, so instead you kind of notice after awhile that all the scenes between them are in either his apartment or hers dressed in robes....

For your dip into modern monster movies, you HAVE to watch the 1990's Gamera films. Incredible, and fun, they put the 90's Godzilla films to shame.

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A fascinating book my dad had on the shelf (next to the chess, Tom Swift, and Hornblower books) was The Third World War: August 1985 by Sir John Hackett. Written in 1978, it tried to give a realistic reason for and waging of World War III. The war starts out conventionally and only a couple nukes are used, so it's an optimistic tale trying to say the West should continue the conventional arms build up started by Carter as we CAN win that way. He did a 1982 rewrite called The Untold Story to account for all the changes in the last couple years (for example, he had Carter serving two terms and the war starting because the Soviets wanted to test the new untried Republican President)

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It was an interesting mindset to have, even near the end (I graduated high school in '87). You figured it was just going to happen at some point, and kind of hoped it was limited in some respect, but given there was nothing you could do about it you tended to think about it more abstractly.

But, given we did think about it, it's harder to take shows like Jericho seriously smile

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Then again, even many of the Japanese Godzilla movies suck so it's hard to get the balance right. It'll really depend on the director.
(Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla was the only one of the last batch I bothered buying)

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

I had a history prof in college — pre-flunk-out — who used to say that the closest we ever came to nuclear war was the Ussuri River incident in 69.

Ah, yes, I had forgotten about that. Led directly to China starting ping pong diplomacy (losing a ping pong tournament to get the US's attention) and eventually Nixon going to China.

It got so bad that Brezhnev got Nixon on the phone and asked him what the US would do if the USSR launched a full-scale nuclear attack against China. He had the Tu-95s on the runways with the props spinning. Nixon deliberated over it hard before finally saying no, that if the USSR attacked China, the US would have no choice but to attack the USSR.

Given all the US forces in Vietnam which borders China (well, North Vietnam does) there'd be no way to stay out of it, or guarantee China in fact was the main objective.

I don't wanna sound all snotty, but Trey's right. The Cold War was a different time. And at the risk of sounding condescending when I don't mean to, I really do legitimately wonder whether people who were born after, or who were born very late in it, can imagine what it was like. I'm not being all oh-you-punk-kids-don't-know about it. I mean it literally. I wonder if it's even possible to imagine what it was like for somebody who didn't live through it.

Like much of history, actions during the Cold War only make sense if you're able to take the entire context of the times into account. Which brings to mind a recent posting about how Hollywood is horrible a doing war fiction, particularly the series on the History Channel called "World War II":

"So they invent a completely implausible superweapon that they've never mentioned until now. Apparently the Americans got some scientists together to invent it, only we never heard anything about it because it was "classified". In two years, the scientists manage to invent a weapon a thousand times more powerful than anything anyone's ever seen before - drawing from, of course, ancient mystical texts. Then they use the superweapon, blow up several Japanese cities easily, and the Japanese surrender. Convenient, isn't it?

...and then, in the entire rest of the show, over five or six different big wars, they never use the superweapon again. Seriously. They have this whole thing about a war in Vietnam that lasts decades and kills tens of thousands of people, and they never wonder if maybe they should consider using the frickin' unstoppable mystical superweapon that they won the last war with. At this point, you're starting to wonder if any of the show's writers have even watched the episodes the other writers made."

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Keith LaPlume wrote:

On the topic of self-destruct mechanisms:
I believe it was mentioned in a another Down in Front commentary that some sort of auto-destruct device was used on Challenger after the main explosion (I can't remember which commentary).

All I can think of you could be talking about is there's usually a way to remote detonate rockets in case they start heading towards a large city instead of skywards, and it may be after the explosion they detonated one of the boosters that was flying off. The SRB would have been far from the remains of the shuttle by that point, though.

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Good episode. A couple comments-

-Strangelove is based in good part on Edward Teller <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller>

-The closest we ever came to a nuclear war was an event most haven't heard of, Able Archer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_archer> In a nutshell, the Russians actually thought a series of NATO maneuvers (in which we simulated going to DEFCON 1) was leading to a real attack, and put everything on high alert and got ready to pre-emptivly  launch a strike. Once word leaked out to the West, the military was stunned. We had no idea the USSR was seriously afraid WE were the aggressors and wanted to strike first against them, and this was informing most of their actions. You can probably draw a straight line from this event to the gradual backing down of both sides.

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I actually haven't, to be honest, mostly because after a first listen while watching the film I'm more likely to listen to DIF at work or on my evening walk. Visuals would just get in the way there smile With a Rifftrax you can only listen to those with both the video and the original movie soundtrack.

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Are you guys doing the theatrical cut, directors cut, or European cut of 'To Be Announced'?

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Well, you could go in and play with the file to keep it in sync (inserting a second or two where needed), but that can be a pain and they are doing this for free. If I was to make DVDs with DIF audio files it wouldn't be too hard to match audio with video using Garage Band. I do that with Rifftrax, and at least twice have had audio files that kept losing sync and had to delete or add to the soundtrack.

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We haven't gotten any show notes for this one yet, so does anyone have any recommendations for good documentaries on failed films (or at least productions gone wrong)? I have Lost in La Mancha, and Killing Priscilla doesn't seem to be on Netflix. I couldn't hear the other one Dorkman mentioned.

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Well, remember, more people saw Alien 4 in theaters then probably ever saw Buffy on TV (minor hit on a minor network). Reminds me of when what most people would have known Frank Miller from was his writing Robocop 2.

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Hmm, looks like I'm going to have to take a wild guess as to what to put into my Netflix queue...

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I found the comment that Ridley Scott had never been asked to do another film interesting. There's an old story that after Aliens Cameron was asked to do the third film, and his condition was he'd do it if Scott did part 4. Needless to say that was the deal breaker, so what didn't FOX like about Scott?

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Like some of you this was the first time I had ever opened my copy of the 4th movie (from the first 4 disc Alien set). I even found a pack of unopened trading cards in there. I can honestly say almost none of it was familiar, meaning I had managed to block out the one theatrical viewing smile

With regard to Legend of the Overfiend, I'll toss in two trivia points. When it first made its way over to the US, as an untranslated bootleg selling at anime and Star Trek conventions, it was known as Wandering Kid as that's a more direct translation of the original title. Also, every time this story of daemon rape was adapted the ages of the characters was moved upwards. In the original comic, the kids are in elementary/middle school (oh, those wacky Japanese). For the animated version they became high school students, and naturally all US translations have made them college kids... who wear high school uniforms and such. You know a show is hard core when the Japanese had to edit things down- because the original 5 shows were direct to video there were no restrictions, but the later theatrical version cuts out some of the more brutal stuff.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

This smacks of a guy who didn't get the movie and is trying to say that it's because there's nothing to get. And to an extent, he's right. There's nothing that complex about it (other than the question of how much of it is a meta-dream), no secret you need to unpack a la THE FOUNTAIN. It's pretty straightforward, if intricately woven. An admitted inability to follow it means that he somehow just didn't understand the material at a fundamental level.

I agree, although I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If you honestly can't see the 3D picture everyone else can see, you don't see it and will write such. Maybe he was just expecting more, so didn't see the trees for the forest.

I've been reading his reviews for a good 30 years, and for the most part like him. He tends to grade on a sliding scale, where a silly summer film that's stupid fun like The Mummy 2 might get the same or better rating then an Woody Allen film that isn't as good as it should have been (to name one comparison he did make years ago). He had me as a fan when while reviewing some French film where the female lead spent all her time topless on the beach (possibly Paulina on the Beach), he wrote "All that and a plot too!" Being a teen I liked that honesty smile

The Buffalo News TV writer retired after 40 years last month and hasn't been replaced, apart from some columns by Simon who also does Jazz reviews, and I suspect when Simon retires we'll just get syndicated movie reviews. I'll have to enjoy his silliness while it lasts.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

I'm going to have to say yes, he is. All the negative reviews I've seen are people who didn't get the movie. And I don't say that as a blanket "If you don't like it you don't get it" dismissal, but because if you have seen the movie and then you read these reviews, they demonstrate a lack of understanding of the film, saying things that are flatly incorrect.

I'll give you the link if you want to take a look. His main complaint seems to be that there's no there there, that there's nothing to get really. Unless I'm not getting his review smile
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I'm finding this thread fun, as everyone is coming down on one side of the split our two local reviewers gave the film. The free weekly Artvoice praised the sucker, while Jeff Simon of the Buffalo News who I trust (well, at least I know well his tastes) gave it two and a half stars. My favorite comments:

"There are, to be frank, critics going around calling this nonsense a visionary masterpiece and thank heaven for every one of them. Here, at last, is a movie that ordinary skeptical citizens of moviegoing America can use to figure out what critics and friends they can truly trust.

Please feel free to reject it if you choose, but my personal advice is to be wary in the future of anyone's judgment and/or veracity who tells you "Inception" is a work of visionary genius. They've taken a leap of faith into pure B.S., and Lord only knows if they'll ever emerge. (Be kind. It's a familiar American location. Of such things are our modern wars usually made.)"

It's very possible he's now just too old a senile smile

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redxavier wrote:

Read them all a while back. I try to re-read them every year but end up just skimming them. I always, always skip FOTR up to the Council of Elrond (but usually skip FOTR altogether).

Fellowship is still a sequel to The Hobbit, and so has the lighter tone and humor of that book to start with. The shift from the birthday party to Moria is a rather large one.

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I think it's Terry Pratchett who said any 14 year old who doesn't think Lord of the Rings is the best book ever is an idiot, and any 40 year old who still thinks that is also an idiot. I read them well over a half dozen times as a teen, until I literally OD'd on the suckers and could no longer look at the pages. The interesting thing is I never saw all the subtext and themes that some fans say were missing from the films- I wasn't looking for subtext, so didn't find any.