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Some of you may be familiar with Stephen King's 'Dollar Baby' program <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_Baby> The idea is for $1, you can take one of his as yet unadapted short stories and make an amateur movie. Most end up being crap, naturally, but now and then a good one is made.

You may also know that there's a few billion un-produced scripts in Hollywood. Many because they just suck, some just won't work or are too expensive, and others are abandoned when the point of the story shifts. More still are just caught in limbo when studios are sold or new executives enter the scene.

So... if the writers guild started a script Dollar Baby program, where you could get access to any of these scripts (with money going to the writer if the finished film every made any income), what would you pick?

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(30 replies, posted in Episodes)

They'd better be careful. The twin of that antenna in Tokyo keeps getting attacked by monsters and aliens.

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(49 replies, posted in Episodes)

Ah, Evangelion... never has anime fandom seen such a "fuck you" from a creator smile The original show is well worth checking out (avoid all the reworked re-releases), if only for a) how much weird religion stuff they tried to toss into a giant robot show (and it's Japanese trying to interpret Judaism, which is fun), b) how dysfunctional everyone is, and c) how much the budget affected things. Not only do you have lots of off screen speakers and long moments of silence, but network outrage over the amount of violence got the last two episodes scrapped with no money to redo them, meaning what made it to screen is lots of text and voiceover. Oh, and the creator had a nervous breakdown iirc.

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(2,061 replies, posted in Episodes)

I just got a kick out of how they actually handed us a sheet of paper with a glossary of terms to help us understand the film. Sure, we're use to some SF and Fantasy books having that, but how often does a movie?

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You did see the aliens by the end of the season, and I recall a peace envoy of some sort. S:AaB is the perfect example of a bad studio compromise: the creators wanted to do a WW II series about marines in the Pacific, the studio was willing to fund a sci fi war series. So, we got WW II in space.

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It would have to be a series where you never see the other side's viewpoint. Your characters react, and come up with theories (mostly wrong) and maybe learn some tendencies although never the reason behind them. If the viewer can understand the aliens then they can be replaced by other humans in the story (or at least humans with funny nose ridges).

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Hmm, maybe they were reptiles. Honestly can't remember, and the book is hiding on me at the moment.

As for the mustache-twirling, this is why you're doing a remake. You're taking what didn't work in the original, and improving it. Unless you're saying biological aliens can't be alien enough in a modern series, so it's robots or nothing.

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The original cylons weren't interesting because after the pilot they got rid of the native, insect like leaders, put Baltar in charge, and claimed the suits had robots inside instead of biological cylon soldiers. It sort of became as if Star Wars had no scenes showing the point of view of The Empire, and all we saw were Storm Troopers. Naturally that made them boring (actually, at age 7 my friend and I assumed the Storm Troopers in fact were robots). I'm just saying robots wanting to be human is just as boring, so making the cylons insects again would at least be fun.

Oh, and the show should have been based on Mormonism again!

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

If you're gonna do aliens, have the balls to do fucking aliens, is what I'm saying here. Either make them fundamentally different from us in a way that, by itself, is sufficiently interesting to grab attention and that creates some kind of motivation for your story, or make them as different from us as we are from a hurricane and let the consequences be your story.

In other words, they're so alien they to humans appear to just be inherently genocidal maniacs — like, as an in-born character trait — or their motivations look dumb smile

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:
Invid wrote:

Come up with an alien civilization with damned reasonable reasons to destroy all humans.

I don't want to hijack Brian's thread. But either here or somewhere else, I'd love to hear what those damned reasonable reasons might actually be. I've never actually encountered a story with space aliens who want to exterminate humanity that made a lick of sense. Either the aliens were just inherently genocidal maniacs — like, as an in-born character trait — or their motivations were dumb.

There's a damned good one in an average animated film, TITAN AE, which gets lost in all the general problems that film has (the commentary is excellent, and includes one of the best exchanges ever- "This scene makes no sense! Why didn't we include anything to make things clear?!?" "We ran out of money." "Ah, right...."). Anyways, the general plot is humans have invented this ship which can transform energy, any form of energy in large enough quantity, into a brand new Earth like planet. There is an alien race that is basically made of energy, and now sees a weapon that will turn their species into living space for humans. They do the logical thing and try and wipe us out first.

I actually thought of another one. Humans make contact with an alien race, and the disease exchange makes the entire race sterile and, thus, extinct after this generation. They decide fair is fair, and decide to wipe out every human able to breed.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

The whole "robots look like/want to be human" thing also has been done to death in so many places.

I don't know if this is true or just something I assumed, but I think that was a budget choice more than anything. Make 'em look like people and you don't have to spend money on make-up, costumes or visual effects. Plus the it-could-be-anyone paranoia factor worked as well.

Although the fighting cylons weren't human, so it wasn't too much of a budget thing. But, yes, in the past shows like War of the Worlds gave us human aliens so they didn't have to do any special effects. That had the it-could-be-anyone paranoia as well, and it's just something I'm tired of (same thing with rogue government plots like they did in Jericho. Please, try something new like having it be an actual war)

Make the Cylons aliens like they were in the pilot and novelization.

Except — and I may be going off the reservation here — the original cylons were fucking lame.

They were a blank slate any remake could do what they wanted with. They were lame in the original because once it was decided to retcon them into robots there was nothing more to do with them. Come up with an alien civilization with damned reasonable reasons to destroy all humans.

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My problem with the show was that it seemed that they were doing things just to be anti-Trek, and not because it made sense or fit the overall story. The whole "robots look like/want to be human" thing also has been done to death in so many places. I think I stopped watching regularly sometime after the second Boomer made it back to Galactica.

If anything, they should have taken more from the original show. Make the Cylons aliens like they were in the pilot and novelization. That way if their actions don't make sense it can be blamed on them not being logical robots smile

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Gregory Harbin wrote:

Remember the wise words that someone said that I'm too lazy to look up:

"All endings are deus ex machinas, the difference is that some writers go back and put in clues."

Stephen King makes a comment to that regard in 'On Writing'. The ending of the first draft is naturally going to be deus ex machinas, you just then go back and set it up in the second draft so nobody notices. When your story is released as it's written, however, you're not going to have that option...

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(122 replies, posted in Episodes)

fardawg wrote:

This is more a comment on the Episode 1-3 commentaries, but the idea of a "Chosen One" goes back to the early drafts of Star Wars. There was a prophecy quoted at the beginning about the "Son of the Suns". Lucas just went back to that idea for the prequels.
I like the idea that by the time of ANH Yoda and Ben figure they should keep the prophecy from Luke because that last one didn't go so well wink

As this link will show you! http://shortpacked.com/comic/book-1-bri … olor/a-83/

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(30 replies, posted in Episodes)

The mention of the Turtledove books on aliens and WW II reminded me of a rather strange anime, 1993's 7 part series from Pioneer 'Alien Defender Geo-Armor: Kishin Corps' (or Kishin Corps to its friends). A section of the Japanese army in China is fighting these aliens during WW II using mechs, and end up fighting the evil Nazis who are trying to ally with the aliens. Oh, there's evil Japanese officers trying to gain alien tech, but the balancing act of Japanese good, Axis bad is hilarious.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

I don't know what remained and what was cut in the film, but I know you could cut Aunt Wu, cut Omashu and Bumi, and probably (though not without some difficulty later) cut Jet. You could also cut Haru and the Earth Kingdom prisoners, but they might be useful in terms of condensing the story by having Admiral Zhao be there, instead of Admiral Sulu.

All that is gone, yes.

What you cannot cut are the Kyoshi warriors, the Southern Air Temple and Northern Air Temple (although you could probably combine them and have all the necessary events take place at one or the other), meeting Avatar Roku, and the events at the North Pole.

The Kyoshi warriors and Suki (and maybe Bumi) have been moved to the second film. We have the South Pole and Air Temple, Aang discovering Earth Benders are being oppressed in a village and starting an uprising... and then a voice over saying they're moving north and doing the same thing and that's it for all their travels towards the North Pole. We do get a detour where Aang goes alone to the Northern Air Temple and gets captured so the Blue Spirit can rescue him, and Avatar Roku has been replaced by a Dragon in the Sprit World.

Three hours would be tough, but it would be doable. The bigger issue is having time for each character to be a character rather than a pawn moved around making plot happen. That's what you really need the time for.

That's what's missing, more then anything plot related. Zuko is the only real character who is interesting in this version, while the rest are treated so badly they even use voice over to tell us Sokka falls for the Princess instead of trusting us the way the cartoon did.

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The main problem here is script more then direction, although we can still blame Shyamalon for it. Structure it differently using these visuals, and even actors (for the most part) and it can work.

So, to answer your question, it's probably that he just only had two good stories in him.

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I usually avoid watching adaptations of things I really like. Not only are they usually bad, but even when they're good (Coraline, Watchmen) it's hard to enjoy this version for what it is and not nitpick every difference. That said, I braved watching Airbender after work today.

When compressing a long story, be it a comic, TV series, or novel, into a shorter form like a movie, it all comes down not to what you're going to cut out but to what you're going to use and focus on. The original has characters, themes, and plot, and the screenwriter basically has to pick just one or two and center their version of that. For Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan has decided to focus on a theme (accepting your destiny), two characters (Aang and Zuko) and plot. The result... is lacking in too many ways. The first two thirds of the film feel like edited highlights, even the opening scenes where you need to take your time to establish the world and characters, and not until they get to the North Pole does the film settle down into a real movie. There's no real sense of humor, or fun, with Sokka suffering particularly in that regard (which hurts any attempt at a character arc in later films). At 1hr 40min the film really need an extra half hour in the middle, the equivalent of an episode or two, showing the three kids actually traveling and bonding instead of just one quick scene and a voice over. Without that, there's no emotional center.

But, perhaps most importantly... Katara didn't have hair loopies!!!!!

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(48 replies, posted in Episodes)

We're talking about the difference between being able to hit a baseball with a bat when you know the pitcher in front of you is going to throw to you, and being able to do it when a ball is thrown randomly from any direction. I'd say possible often enough to be impressive, but even the best hitter would miss enough for it to really come down to luck.

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(48 replies, posted in Episodes)

You're going to TAM? Cool. I can't justify it, so just enjoy the various podcasts who go there (Skeptics Guide to the Universe is doing another live show). My only conventions nowadays are an occasional Sci Fi Worldcon.

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I have to comment on the whole Catching Arrows debate smile This is the listing from Mythbustersresults.com for episode 109:

"The Mythbusters first tested the speed of an arrow and showed that an arrow maintains its speed as far as 70 feet because of its aerodynamic design. Then they brought “The Arrowcatcher” Anthony Kelly onto the show and had him perform various tests. Anthony proved that he could catch tennis balls traveling at 85 miles per hour (breaking a world record in the process). They then had him try and catch an actual arrow, and Anthony succeeded in catching an arrow. However, at Anthony’s request, the arrow had been fired below full strength and directly in front of Anthony. The Mythbusters decided to redo the test by firing arrows at full strength from multiple directions. This time, Anthony had much more trouble and could only catch the arrows when he knew which direction they were coming from. Since Anthony was unable to catch the arrows in full combat conditions, the Mythbusters considered the myth busted."

It does come back to what exactly the myth was they were testing, but I'm sure if someone pointed them towards an Asian who could do better they'd give the myth a third go.

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(48 replies, posted in Episodes)

Time will be the main problem with the movie. They're taking 22 episodes and compressing it down to two hours. Yes, there's a lot of fluff to take out, but assuming we're getting most of the first two and last two episodes, that doesn't leave much room for any real "growth". Original films based on series tend to be better then compilations.
(in anime, there are a few cases where 26 episode series have been edited down into one movie, and it's best to ignore those. OTOH, the original Gundam was compressed into three 2 1/2 hour movies with a new ending and is great so it's all in how you do it)

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(48 replies, posted in Episodes)

beldar wrote:

I watched A:TLA episode 1 season 1, is the rest of it the same or does it change?

Depends on what you're referring to. The characters actually grow and change, there's an actual well thought out plot with a beginning, middle and end... It's not a monster of the week show, if that's what you're asking (like Ben 10 tended to be). I do think the show doesn't hit its real stride until season 2 when Toph and Azula show up, but season one sets up oh so many things that pay off later. You have to give it a few more episodes at least.

(Avatar may also have the distinction of being the only kids show where it's acknowledged that one teen couple is screwing like rabbits when the camera's not on them)

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(48 replies, posted in Episodes)

I was glad to hear some of you are Avatar: The Last Airbender fans, as it will make that eventual commentary well informed (if you guys do Mystery Men, someone had better be familiar with the Flaming Carrot comics). I often ignore adaptations of stuff I love, and Airbender has the potential to suck so badly...
(if the movie is at all good, it will probably flop so we'll never see the other two films, so it's lose-lose)

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I'd just like to give a quick thanks for getting the file size back down. I was almost going to have to delete episodes to keep my main HD free, and we don't want that!

Oh, and the movie appears to be 'Crouching Tiger, Hideen Dragon', which I assume is the correct translation.