Heh, yeah.  I liked that, too.

I mostly make stuff up.

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Sucker Punch

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Well, you should just take the 110 to the 105 to the 405 South and GEHOUDAHEEER.

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Dorkman wrote:

I can't say I see the appeal -- and nor would Eli, being blind...  wink

Plus, there was the time he accepted the same offer from that girl in Tulsa and then everybody teased him because she was no Mila Kunis.

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Teague wrote:

Conspiracy I watched on Trey's recommendation, and holy shit you guys.

Conspiracy is back on HBOGo??   

*runs off and watches*

*okay, back again*

I don't think I've seen that movie since it first aired in 2001.  Glad to see it still holds up.  Also interesting to see it now and recognize all the not-as-well-known-then actors who are now familiar.  Two guys from Rome, one from Game of Thrones, Mr. Bates from Downton Abbey and Killick from Master and Commander!    It's like American Graffiti or Dazed and Confused, but with Nazis!

Plot?  smile

Virtually any movie can seem contrived if you know too much (or too little!) about some specific aspect of the story.  "That would never happen in real life" is a pretty common response, and we all have our personal nitpicks in movies - ones that nobody else even notices.

Well, as far as plot points in All Is Lost, I'll agree that not having a backup radio (or better yet, a Sat phone or at least an EPIRB) is a stretch.   But as far as saving the original radio, the hole in the boat is right over the electronics station - all the radio and nav gear is flooded from minute one, so the radio not being a priority made sense to me.  Once it's flooded, might as well leave it flooded until he can find the time to try to dry it.

As for pieces of wood, it's a fiberglass boat.  So he had, and used, a fiberglass repair kit.  And a sextant as a nav backup.   And although it's not common for a mariner to ram into a lost cargo container, it does happen.

So for me, the series of events showed that "Our Man" is mostly prepared, and mostly makes the right decisions.  He might be a tad overconfident or perhaps just thinking "I can get to the next port before I buy the backup sail", but we all take those kinds of low-probability risks all the time.   And even the most massively prepared sailors still get into trouble sometimes. 

So it's a movie about a guy who usually gets by just fine - but then has a run of especially bad luck, and what he does to push back.

Heh.  Was just talking to Brian today about the next round of surprises coming up for non-book-readers.  The series is doing a pretty dandy job of head-faking some of them, and not telegraphing others at all.   

Tonight's final scene being a case where they didn't give much warning before it happened.  Nice, I thought. 

There was also one shot in tonight's ep that definitely felt like a wink to us who know where the Arya/Hound thread is going.

Interesting that after the recent complaints that the series is more rapey than the books, tonight we got a mention of Lollys, a notable rape victim in the books, but not in the series.

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avatar wrote:

much imitated since... Species, Mimic, etc.

Small quibble: Giger did the character design for Species.   Carry on.

Dorkman wrote:

"What are you going to do if the books catch up to the show?"

"I like your books, but they don't always follow the show.  So they just let you make stuff up on your own sometimes?"

Overheard at a party, about a year from now...

"Hi, I'm George R.R. Martin."
"The guy who writes the novelizations of that HBO show?  Cool!"

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No way.  The lesson I learned is never let the internet know which lamp you like.

/wow, there were a lot of L's in that sentence

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Legal's still sorting that out.

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They can also use cookies to follow your own browsing history.  I looked at a certain desk lamp online two weeks ago and every website I visit is still trying to sell me that lamp.

Coming This Winter on HBO KIDZ:  White Walker Babies!   (aka "Craster's Bastards")

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bullet3 wrote:

Ya, only problem is none of them will be "genuinely good". Lets be honest here, it's a stupid fucking genre targeted at 12 year old boys. They reach for "mildly diverting but meaningless" and that's as high as they're gonna hit.

This.   Also, anything based on a well-known property is already hamstrung, story-wise.   No matter how "entertaining" your Batman movie is - and Nolan certainly achieved that much - it's still just the Batman story again.  Parents killed, dresses like a bat, fights crime, YES WE'VE HEARD THIS ONE ALREADY.

One thing any original movie has going for it is the freedom to tell whatever story it wants.  Which doesn't guarantee a great result (see thread topic as an example), but I believe it improves the odds.

Yup.  Apparently this is the first example of the series getting ahead of the books.  Probably won't be the last for this season, either.

I maintain that all the above applies to the scene in question as well.  And is it horrifying within the context of the story?  Again, sure it is.  It's the "OMG HBO you crossed a line" swooning that I don't understand.  GoT has been jam-packed with murder and mayhem and cruelty and, yes, sexual assaults since day one.   Based on the show so far, consensual sex seems to be a bit of a rarity in Westeros.   I just don't see how this particular assault is the deal-breaker for some people.   But if it is, it is.

All of that, PLUS... 

there was also Tywin's reaction to Jamie's return home - "sure, you're alive but you'll never be any use now.  Might as well ship you back home."  And of course Jamie's own son the King dissed him as usual.   Jamie endured all manner of torment to make it back to his family and they ALL greeted him with a hearty "meh, we did fine without you" when he finally got there.   

He actually did seem a bit humbled for a while, but that wasn't getting him anywhere so he just switched back to doing whatever he damn well wants.   Ugly?  Sure.  Surprising?  Hardly.

Note also that Tywin added considerably to Cersei's grief-load by immediately taking Tommen under his wing and saying "Okay, so let's not be a fuckup like your brother, umkay?"    That's Cersei's new reality - her son was murdered and nobody in Westeros gives a damn, other than the expected kneejerk reactions about family honor and vengeance and such.  But Joffrey the person - nobody's sad to see him gone.  Poor Cersei, she's the only one who genuinely loved that little shit.

So not only are all these characters getting pushed to their breaking points by recent events, the show's showing us what the Lannister family's real problem is.  Tywin's so concerned about his family legacy that he's been doing serious lifelong damage to his actual family.

And we all know how that's gonna pay off sometime between now and the end of the season.  And if they stay true to the books completely, it will be Tyrion's turn for the audience to say "oh, that's so terrible and now I don't like him!"  Even though what Tyrion will do will make perfect sense as well.

dj_bakerman wrote:
Herc wrote:

Well, now I wanna see a crossover called Not-So-Full House Stark.


Oh, internet.  Is there nothing you cannot do?

"Incest?  Sure.  But it's gotta be consensual."   
                         - the internet

Interestingly enough, last night I hung out with a friend I hadn't seen in a while and we were talking about his tv project.  He mentioned he wanted to push some boundaries, and so I asked if he was a GoT watcher - speaking of the risks involved in pushing boundaries and so on.

He said he wasn't aware of the Jaime/Cersei controversy because he ragequit GoT two weeks ago when Arya put Needle through that guy's neck.  Arya was the only character he liked, but she was ruined for him when she became a cold-blooded murderer.

Which I found kinda surprising, since in the world of GoT that moment was about as close to a "happy ending" as the show ever delivers.   But different folks have different buttons.  Lorena Bobbitt probably wouldn't like the Jaime incident either, meanwhile John Wayne Bobbitt probably wouldn't be too fond of the Theon storyline.

All of which is fine, and if any particular thing turns people off the show, that's just the risk you run when you try to make anything edgier than Full House.  (Actually I'm sure somebody somewhere quit watching Full House because of some episode that went too far.)

What I don't get is the complaint that this changes anything about Jaime or Cersei, other than showing their dynamic has changed.  For me that scene was like watching two vipers fighting - the good outcome would have been if they killed each other in the process - but of course Westeros isn't ever going to be that lucky.

What Eddie said.   And Tyrion and Jon Snow are other characters who still have the (mostly) moral high ground, it's not just Danaerys.

Also, book readers, just as Jaime's tribulations of last season sorta made him seem sympathetic, we all know the same is about to happen to Cersei.  So story-wise, this is the wake-up call to remind us that Jaime's still a creep, and meanwhile start to transfer that sympathy to Cersei.

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C-Spin wrote:

Fun (If Not Very Important) Fact:  Couple weeks ago I went to see a local performance of Inherit the Wind.  There was a guy in the cast that I was sure I'd seen before... it was bugging me through the whole show. 

About five minutes after the show ended, I finally figured it out: he was the "Right there with ya" henchman from The Train Job.