I hope the model won't move towards Kickstarter-funded cable programs (which Trey pointed out the flaws of) but towards something like HBO. You pick the channels that produce shows you like and pay for them rather than paying for all of cable. People who subscribe to HBO for the hits - Game of Thrones, True Blood - also prop up the lower rated shows. Which would mean that the artful shows that nobody watched - like Firefly - could exist along with the big hits.

When people were suggesting Twister in the chat I honestly thought that they meant the guys should livestream a game of it.

Very sad. Hope his family can get through this.

STOP THE PRESSES do you guys not like Martha Jones? Martha is my favorite companion!
Donna is my second favorite, followed by Amy and then Rose. I feel weird placing Rose last since Billie Piper was the person who got me into DW in the first place, but her writing got sloppy towards the end of her run.

I totally agree. Nine always seems to get the short end of the fandom stick, but I thought he was great in the role. I mean, the man just came out of a genocide and he managed to have fun.

Is the 'bizarre form of martial law' actually communicated in other ways? Besides having Bane's folks walk around with guns? I think Crane showed the city regressing and the absolute power Bane and his cronies had. There was no getting around that court because of the way Bane had infected the mind of the populace. I liked the Committe for Public Safety parallel and it added some depth for me. I guess we'll agree to disagree. 

How does it make him a weaker character to say he was used to darkness? We thought his back story was one thing and then were shown it's something else. I don't think it has any affect on the way his character is developed/used..

He doesn't build the tunnel. He's in the sewers. It's pretty explicitly stated in Batman Begins that the sewer lines converge right underneath Wayne Tower. It was central to the League's plan.

ETA: I just want to add that I don't think the film was perfect. But the only major thing that bugged me was Catwoman's 180 on her politics (and the politics of the film in general) and Blake's discovery of who Batman was.

Hunger Games would bring up really interesting Plinkett test and storytelling discussions.

I totally agree. I think that series 5 is probably the best and most consistent of New Who, but series 6 really went off the rails. I think someone needs to sit Moffat down and explain that more complicated plots aren't always smarter plots.

Very true. I've been disappointed with how season two has handled the arcs of people like Cat and Daenerys. They seem to opt for simplifying their situations (making them look incompetent) to make room for more sex scenes.

I went back and read some of the discussion on page 5 and I think the complaints about Lisbeth's character in the movie vs. the books isn't really valid. The movie didn't make Lisbeth more mysterious than the source since the reader doesn't find out what her whole deal was until well into the second novel. The movie actually gave more explanation since they bring up Lisbeth's father.  And I am glad that they cut out a lot of Micke's relationships.  Him sleeping with nearly every female character got a little silly.  I agree that there were flaws in the way the film handled the reveal, but I don't think David hindered what the story was trying to do at all. 

I wish there was a sequel coming, because when you look at the series as a whole it's way less problematic when it comes to characters and pacing.  I think that the first book is the weakest of the three when it comes to juggling plot lines and characters and the last two would be more suited to good adaptations.  And, really, let's think about the Zalachenko barn confrontation directed by Fincher. I want that.

But, if I remember correctly, a sequel might not happen since it didn't do as well as MGM had hoped.

Now that I'm reading these reactions, I'm thinking I don't have to run out and see it before I leave for DC. Do any of you think I shouldn't wait a week and should catch it now?

That's probably for the best, a someone beat you to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarle … 2004_film)

To be fair, the movie itself didn't really know where it wanted to be on this issue, so you can pretty much form an opinion without really seeing it.

I feel like the film could have improved if they did comment on the fact that the only real conflict is between beauty and not, you know, ability to rule a country. They were so close when they had the queen say that she and Snow White were exactly the same, and then they just knocked the idea off the table.