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Teague wrote:

No, that one got scrapped. We'll probably get around to re-doing it at some point, if the demand is high enough, but so far nobody seems to mind not revisiting it.  cool

I, for one, am all for DiF exploring the whole PoTC franchise, but then I am a glutton for punishment.

I honestly think that Dead Man's Chest and At World's End suffer from Matrix syndrome. They made a really cool first film, and the studio was like, "Sweet! Make more of it and we will make more money!" However, they took an odd twist to the story, one that, in my opinion, was not in keeping with the tone of the first film.

Agree, disagree, but I think the first Pirates movie was the best. The other two were expensive exercises but lacked any real story telling substance.

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Jimmy B wrote:

Mr. Proof must be mistaken as Trey didn't say he worked on Alien 3 smile

Thanks, Jimmy,
yes I meant to say that he worked on Species and he mentioned that in Alien 3. Sorry for any confusion.

My suggestion for Species for DiF dissection still stands though  big_smile

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Dorkman wrote:
rtambree wrote:

RE: DUNE
To give it justice, they'd have to include all that political intrigue and powerplay between the various Houses, the Guild, the Bene Gesserit, and half a dozen other institutions

Because if there's one thing we know sci-fi audiences can't get enough of, it's space politics.

I kid. Sort of. I haven't read Dune (though I've tried about a dozen times and I'm going to try again this year), but I wouldn't have thought I'd be interested in fantasy politics until GAME OF THRONES, which had many of the same challenges facing Dune, from what I've managed to read of the latter: most significantly, most of the story takes place in characters' internal monologues or is background information conveyed by the narrator, which would have to be externalized and finessed so it doesn't feel like as-you-knows, speaking the subtext, or grinding everything to a halt for an exposition dump.

Give Dune the 10-hour HBO treatment -- where they can take their time and don't have to give a damn that the desert terrorists are the good guys -- and I bet it'd be awesome.

Yeah, the amount of internal dialogue does make it difficult to convey in film. The Sci-fi channel take on Dune was closer to what I would expect, but still assumed a lot of for knowledge on the part of the audience.
I would say a mix of HBO and LOTR treatment-exposition at the beginning, with a Prologue scene of sorts showing the main players. The Spacing Guild is not as important as all we need to know about them is that they need spice to fly their ships and the Guild has a monopoly on Interstellar travel. The blood feud between Atredies and Harkonnen would do well in Prologue form, as would the scheming of the Bene Gesserit. All of this drama centers on the spice-melange-ok, I'm going to nerd out here in a moment  roll
Point is, it could work with the proper set up, with stakes and everything. Also, the story has a bit of a Campbell arc to it as well.

As a side note, I just listened to Aliens 3 commentary, again, and had not realized that Trey worked on that film. Has anyone suggested that movie? I mean, really, anyone?

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rtambree wrote:

>However, Dune was written by a particular man in a particular time frame, with specific ideas in mind.

I wonder how much Herbert was inspired by Lawrence of Arabia. He wrote Dune in the mid-1960s and the Lean film came out early 1960s. Once again, an outsider leads religious desert-dwellers to overthrow a powerful, corrupt empire. There's a sabotage campaign, there's uniting the tribes, there's 'going native'.

Yes, I'd love to see the battle of Arrakeen on film - giant sandworms breaching a gap in the cliffs created by atomic weapons and pouring into a city. The 1984 movie forgot to add in the city during this sequence. It'd be expensive.

I do not think it would be as expensive as we are thinking. I am not saying it would be cheap, not by any means. However, it would have to be an effects heavy film, something that any studio should be clearly aware of if taking this movie on.

One way to know Herbert's intention is really to talk with his son, Brian, as well as read his biography. I have read it, once, a while ago, but his general idea was more of a ecological and political study, rather than a direct commentary on any event.
Personally, I would love to see Dune get another big film treatment, breaking it down so audiences are not completely lost. Making it a little more accessible to the general public, rather than needing to hand out glossaries out in theaters  hmm

Speaking of "The Grey" anyone go and see it? I just did and it is creepy and thrilling. Liam Neeson totally nails it.

I am looking forward to "Dark Knight Rises," "The Hobbit," and "Brave."

I'm surprised "Battleship" got no love here-I mean, Liam Neeson is in it smile

Oh, and "War of the Titans" and "Lockout"

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rtambree wrote:

I'm a big fan of Dune, but if I re-read it now, I couldn't help associating the Fremen with the Mujahideen.

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I think that may be part of how I differ from other people. You see the Fremen in light of current events, and many others probably would see the same-I mean, people were concerned that the title "Two Towers" would be evocative of September 11 for Americans.

However, Dune was written by a particular man in a particular time frame, with specific ideas in mind. One of the reasons I enjoy the fact that Brian Herbert is continuing his father's world is because he experience his father's insights of the world. If another Dune movie is made, it should be made with the same due respect and consideration that was give to Tolkien and "Lord of the Rings." There should be research done with regards Frank Herbert's reasons for writing, his intent behind the book and any allegories he was drawing, not what allegories we, as a modern audience draw.

I don't want to derail this thread further, but I think Dune deserves the same consideration if it is to be recreated as Lord of the Rings received.

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Snail wrote:

A friend re-posted this of Facebook and in thought it was relevant to this thread.
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One of my favorite conclusions that someone did for the C&H strips.

And, as to the original project, it is just amazing. You guys did an excellent job, with all the wonderful snowman terror scenes from the strips. I'm a little sad to say that I recognized almost all of them-I even wondered where the snow goons are at?

Calvin and Hobbes should be done in an animated film of some kind. Even animated shorts of various strips and story lines would be fine by me. It is just a strip that, in my opinion, is worthy of recognition.

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Teague wrote:

I'm only sorry that it didn't occur to me earlier that you were using GIMP. smile Hopefully it was still helpful conceptually.

Don't worry about it. I am still becoming familiar with GIMP, and not as familiar as Photoshop. However, the ideas that you showed, your way of setting up different layers, as well adding some more original work to the work, are all really helpful techniques.

Thank you again for your time and work on that tutorial. I was surprised to see the video and even more surprised to see your take on the idea.

If I am ever in LA, I will definitely get you a soda or something for your work big_smile Hey, you asked for a drink

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You sir, are a genius!

Thank you for taking the time to make it and show me some good ideas. That, and making my idea look 100% better smile

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Not to bump my own thread, but given the SOPA thing, did I alter this enough for it to be considered a derivative work or am I just pirating now?

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rtambree wrote:

Dune - the novel, was divided up into several parts i.e. 'books' and the 1984 movie really needed the 3 x 3 hour LOTR treatment to convey all the richness of Frank Herbert's vision.

The other political issue with DUNE today is that it makes the Fremen proxies for the Taliban/insurgents i.e. religious desert people fighting a foreign invader that wants to exploit them for their resources (used for transport).

As for the intended remake, which studio is going to greenlight a big budget for a movie that romanticises fundamentalist freedom fighters? Last one was Rambo III.

Well, the political aspects will always be there. As our DiF crew is so found of pointing out, Luke Skywalker is a terrorist blowing up a government building, yet we still celebrate him as a hero. People wanted "The Two Towers" renamed because it sounded too much like 9/11, even though the book was written even before the WTC existed.

if people are going to use some movie about a book written decades ago as an allegory for a current event, then let them. They are going to do it anyway-why should it stop a great book from being made in to a great movie?

The sad part about "Dune" is that it is probably never going to get another big screen treatment, unless Brian Herbert pushes for it. The Sci-Fi miniseries of "Dune" and "Children of Dune," while decent, did not do enough to capture the epicness of the universe and left audiences uninspired to see more.

I agree that the original "Dune" book should have a 3 movie treatment, like LOTR received, but I don't see a studio taking it on, for multiple reasons  hmm

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I did this in Gimp and would appreciate some more artistic people's feedback smile
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Xtroid wrote:

Before The Last Airbender, there was... D U N E.

Dune, a thousand times yes for Dune. Prefer the Lynch version but the Sci-fi miniseries would be fun too.

Also, the original Stargate wink

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Brian wrote:

For 1966, it's not bad. The problem is it doesn't get any better for the next 40 years.

The fight between Kirk and a genetic superman was the height of choreography, it is sad but true. Maybe they kept looking at that footage as reference and said, "This is a good fight. Do that again."  hmm

I just finished this commentary all the way through, and found it very enjoyable. Of the movies, Khan is not my favorite, probably because of the childhood creepy feeling of the eels in the ears (can't stand earwigs to this day because of it) and being scared of Khan's man boobs.

The more interesting part of this commentary is Trey's remark that Meyer was the Abrams of this era. Here was a director who had never had dealt with Star Trek before and was only marginally familiar with the original series. Yet, he managed to save the franchise and let it continue on. Honestly, I think whenever Meyer stepped in and directed Trek, it worked very well.

Its rather amazing to me the amount of changes Meyer brought to Star Trek, pushing it closer to the submarine style warfare and naval tradition, which I think was one of the reasons that Roddenberry did not like it.

The final battle between Reliant and Enterprise is very similar to the space battle in "Balance of Terror" in the more submarine aspects of it. I mean, as the panel pointed out, a torpedo's near miss with a wake is classic nautical warfare trope.

Also, I would like to see Eddie and Brian choreograph a better Star Trek style fight smile

    doty

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Jimmy B wrote:

I quite liked the last couple of episodes.

I'm sorry.

Trey will now steal your lunch money for that  tongue

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This commentary is also known as "Brian's Redemption"
brian
Further comments will come after I listen to this commentary, at which point I will comment on the comments made during the commentary.

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Squiggly_P,
I think you raise some good points, but I see some answers for your questions.
1. Clu being unmade by Flynn. I do not think Flynn was willing to take the risk of potentially being undone by the process. I operated under the assumption that to unmake Clu was to reintegrate Clu with Flynn and destroy them both. Whether or not that happened in the movie is unclear, but that was the assumption that Flynn worked with, making his unwillingness to act against Clu a little more understandable.
2. Flynn as a god in the Grid-I think it was Eddie who rightly pointed out that Flynn was a reluctant god. He did not go around making things and unmaking things because he did not want to abuse his power and cause another genocide like what happened to the isos. I think Flynn was afraid of his power, afraid of his creation and afraid of losing control.
Flynn said he created Clu to basically run things while he was in the real world. Flynn wanted to create the perfect system and empowered Clu with that directive. Simiarlly to WALL-E, CLu followed that diretive to its insanest point-that of completely dominating the system, which was the antithesis of Flynn's dream.

3. Weapons in the Grid-maybe the reasons they used their identity discs as weapons is because those were the first weapons programs used against other programs. All the weapons that were in the Grid were already there from the MCP program. Clu may not be able to make other programs, but he can reprogram them for his own purposes. Even when Tron was derezzed, Clu was able to take his programming and shaped it back in to Rinzler. So, even if programs are derezzed in the games, Clu could take the pieces and rebuild them in to his army. I think the point of capturing programs and deciding to "rectify" them means that those programs are already loyal to Clu.

I agree there are several plot holes, but overall I was satisfied with the movie. I think it did a better job than the original in terms of creating a dynamic story world, and having enough conflict to keep me interested.

One point that I will disagree with the panelists about Tron's sudden conversion back to being for the users. I think that the point was that Tron had not seen Flynn in many cycles, that Clu had reprogrammed him and was in control of him. When he finally saw Flynn, actually saw Flynn in person, it jump started his memory, like a flash back reminding him of who he used to be. I think his change may have been a bit timely in terms of pacing for the story, but it made sense to me.

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This may sound rather masochistic of me, but I honestly would not mind hearing a panel on the advent of movies like the Twilight series and the fan base that has generated more of a soap opera style of movie and story line than the traditional character building and plot development.

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I agree with bullet3, but that would be quite an undertaking. At least Wrath of Khan as it is one Trek film that is structure very well and, as you said, it is a perfect movie. Having DiF analyze it would be fun.

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I put my vote in for Thor, mostly out of curiosity to see if Trey would actually watch and comment on it  trwned

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Congrats, Eddie.

It sounds like things are going well big_smile

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Good commentary and I liked it a lot, especially Teague flipping out from time to time big_smile

Spiderman 3, to me, is just a mess of missed opportunity. It's like they had all this good source material, lessons on what not to do as well as good villains to work with-what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, we all know the answer to that question.

In my opinion, Spidey 3 is just too much al packed in to one movie with no clear direction or focus. I honestly do not think I would have made it through the movie without having watched or read an other Spiderman material.

First of all, Venom, as many have said, is completely underused. Venom is probably the most iconic of the Spiderman villains and instead of getting his own movie, he is relegated to 3rd fiddle against Sandman and a poorly designed Green Goblin redux. Venom should have been the capstone villian, or a build up for a (dare I say it around Teague) 4th movie where Venom is the villian and is tearing around Manhattan in a brand new alien suit. The fact that Spiderman is powerless against him provides a little more character motivation.

Secondly, Peter's transformation as being close to bad is not even close to frightening or shows any risk. In all honesty, I think the animated show presented the the Venom arc much better. Instead, we get the unintentionally funny scenes of him "going to far" or something like that.

Lastly, if you are going to introduce conflicting love interest, shouldn't there be some chemistry between the characters?

All and all, I think DiF did a great job reviewing this movie. I could say more, but I think I will leave that to the commentators big_smile

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Yeah, Teague rage big_smile

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johnpavlich wrote:

I don't know who this Pavlick person is, but I, John Pavlich think he sounds smart... and I bet his dick is huge. smile

doh! Fixed.

No offense was intended by this message posting-unless it is appropriate to offend people. In which case, the said offense shall remain unless not intended. Your offensive mileage may vary.

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fcw wrote:

Trey now has me wondering of the potential for a Lost/Glee/Doctor Who three-way.

The Doctor's Island Sing Along, maybe? wink

In all seriousness, I found this Intermission to be extremely enjoyable, mostly because you guys are inside the industry and can see and give insight into this bubble that has formed. I agree with part of the problem being business men who do not fully grasp the idea of good art. They are in it to make money and to promote good business. The Pixar attitude is a good one and should be more popular, however the issue is, as the panelists mentioned, is that it is a lot of money. The idea of risking so much money on someone's crazy idea is a little bit daunting.

I think, as pavlich mentioned, having more brand recognition of studios, and not just directors or franchises, would create more incentive for studios to put out a good story. Again, the studio's makes its money whether the story is good or not, if the right people are attached to the project. Ticket sales are ticket sales regardless of whether or not the audience liked the movie; they have already paid for the movie. If they didn't like it, they will usually blame the director, the actors or something along those lines.

The combination of creativity and business will always be a delicate balance. However, if the studio is provided more of an incentive to be a part of the process, and not just writing checks, it would be a step in the right direction.