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It's been a while seen I actually sat down and watched this one so I might be a little off, but if I remember correctly. Saito dies, goes to limbo, and because of the time dilation effects he then spends 80 years there in the time it takes for Cobb to get stabbed by Mal and die, then fall into Limbo. I assume then from that point, they are both in Limbo together, just in separate places, and the beach/ fortress where Cobb washes up was created by Saito during the preceding 80 years.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Also, why do they synchronize the kicks? Because then the story has falling action without stalling to kick on each level.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Wait a second, here's a question.

If Saito was trapped in limbo with one time dilation ration, and then all the levels above him (and Leo) collapsed so that instead of Level 5 it's Level 1, does the time dilation ratio change? Obviously the movie says it doesn't, but shouldn't it?

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I don't think so, I always got the impression that limbo was something different than just another dream, almost like the mind entering into a coma state completely detaching it from the dream levels around it. That's why people can build anything they want, no matter who's dreaming it (Mahl and Cobb when they both first got there). It's like a separate dimension inside the mind.

That was my impression of it.

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Oh.

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I never got the whole theory that the ending is a dream. The top clearly starts to wobble. If it was a dream, that wouldn't have happened. It would have kept a perfect spin.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Hm, I don't think so. Because whenever they show it spinning in the safe, it's always perfectly flat. Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't seen the movie in full in a while.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Ah, Rob Brydon....

(I think his was better, actually)

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That is the best thing that has ever.

Also, I'm pissed at myself for completely forgetting to bring up PAPRIKA as an example of a fascinating direction you could take a story about invading peoples' dreams. Like most anime, it goes batshit off the rails toward the end, but well worth a viewing.

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Kon's films and that show he did have a lot of weird mental stuff going on. The main character in Perfect Blue is an actress in a show about herself being a murderer and then people start getting murdered in reality and it messes her head all up to where she can't keep the acting and the reality straight in her head. Paranoia Agent deals with a number of mental / social stigma but mostly in subplots...  i think...  It's been a while since I saw it and it seems to do the same thing in the last couple episodes that Paprika did in the final act.

I didn't really like Paprika all that much. I should try watching it again, tho. I think I was pretty drunk the first time I saw it. From what I remember, tho, it seems to do the opposite of what inception does. In a dream, anything and everything can happen. That's a really cool way to do it, but there's a danger of pulling stuff out of your ass whenever you need it. I can't remember enough of Paprika to say if that happened at all, tho. It was definitely surreal.

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Am listening now (enjoying), and find it funny that you guys open saying how this movie isn't that hard to understand, yet the rest is you guys explaining things to each other, that you guys don't understand!

Of course, I blame Nolan for that, not you, but it's funny.

Edit: Whoever in the chatroom that said Top Gear is rubbish, is a wanker. tongue (unless you were talking about the US version, then yes)

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I just had a thought about this movie. Why is "inception" so difficult? Advertising executives have been doing it to millions of people for decades now. People try and perform "inception" on you every time you watch TV, and a lot of the time they succeed.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Well, when it comes to products, if you suddenly feel a craving for a "blahblah bar" at the supermarket, you obviously know that you didn't come up with the idea or concept, since it exists and is already sold as a product. So the conclusion is that you heard of it somewhere else, ie it's not an original idea of yours. You may not remember exactly where you first heard of it, but you can infer that you indeed had to have heard of it before.

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not long to go now...

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Hadn't thought about that, but it is an odd thing structurally isn't it? It kind of ends up working, but you have to wonder if it wouldn't be better if you were actively rooting for Cillian Murphy to get incepted.

Like, Inception's closest cinematic comparison is probably The Sting, but in that you've got Robert Shaw as an iconic villain, with the characters having a deeply personal reason for going after him.

Bah, it's weird to me how well Inception works despite all these problems. Like, the concept doesn't really make sense, the team-members barely have any characterization, there's at least an hour of exposition (some of which barely matters because a bunch of the rules change as soon as they get into the heist), there's no villain. And yet through it's elaborate pacing and music and editing it's consistently fascinating and entertaining in the moment.

The more I rewatch it the less I like it, but if you only watch it once every couple years, it seems awesome and amazing again.

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Inception gets a lot of credit for its originality, and deservedly so. Even if the concept didn't work out exactly, bless 'em for trying something new.

Also, I was thinking about this movie yesterday and something occurred to me. Why wasn't this movie a game-changer? Why aren't we currently awash in Inception rip-offs? It was hugely successful, not just financially but culturally, so why hasn't anyone in Hollywood tried to replicate it? I guess we do have a lot of super-stylish, high-concept sci-fi movies like Oblivion, but I'm really surprised that Inception didn't have a bigger impact.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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