Topic: What was the last perfect movie you saw in the theatre?
I'm asking as per the DIF definition of a perfect movie. I can't think of one in 2012 other than maybe cabin in the woods...
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I'm asking as per the DIF definition of a perfect movie. I can't think of one in 2012 other than maybe cabin in the woods...
Nothing in 2012 I can think of.
I don't remember going to a theater at all in 2011.
Toy Story 3 I guess....
Django Unchained.
And the only other one I can think of this year is Cabin In The Woods.
I know it's controversial on this forum, but I'll throw out Looper.
Cabin In The Woods.....
or Pitch Perfect......
Remember that the DIF definition of perfect movie is a movie that has a payoff for every setup and vice-versa. It's not just "I enjoyed it as much as I expected to."
I'd say WRECK-IT RALPH, and before that, DREDD.
Actually, I think Chronicle fits the bill. That movie has a lot more setup/payoff than I gave it credit for the first time around.
I'll second Chronicle, I haven't seen it since theaters though, so I can't tell you if it drops any setup/story-threads (maybe the girlfriendish character? Although I think there's an extended cut that adds some stuff back in).
In the vein of Dredd, I'd maybe throw The Raid in there as well, though that's kind of cheating since there's intentionally so little character or story in there.
I have a small problem with Dredd
But is otherwise pretty damn perfect. And while you can argue the value of including certain things in Lincoln, I'd call it perfect. Sets up and delivers on everything.
And Skyfall feels pretty flawless, but I'd need to see it again.
See, I get the "sets up everything it pays off" part, but the "Pays off everything it sets up" part bothers me. What defines a set-up if there's no payoff? Sometimes it's obvious, like giving a character some trait that could be used later, but isn't. The main character from Drive always has a toothpick in his mouth in the first half of the film, but it just goes away later and they never do anything with it. There's one bit where he offers a toothpick to the kid, but that doesn't feel like a payoff, that just feels like more setup. Does that count? Is it a setup if you focus attention on it more than once?
This particular example from Drive isn't so much a "setup/payoff" bit as it is a "save the cat" bit. He gives the kid a toothpick and the kid takes it. Now they have something in common and we understand they like each other. This moment tells us "Driver" is good with kids, or at least good with this kid.
However, if you really need it to be a setup/payoff moment, then here you go: "Driver" gives the kid a toothpick (something potentially dangerous for a kid to have) and it's now established that they are comfortable enough with each other to exchange things. Later, the kid gives "Driver" a bullet (also something potentially dangerous for a kid to have). In particular, "Driver" asks, "Do you want me to hang on to this for you?" and the kid agrees. There's trust between them. Setup, then payoff.
You know, I wish this had occurred to me during my Drive commentary with Dorkman and Ewing. You did just remind me how damn good that movie was, so thank you.
As for the question raised in this thread, I think asking for movies you specifically saw in a theater is a bit limiting. I'd just widen it to include the last perfect movie you saw, period. In the cinema, that would be The Avengers and before that, The Cabin In The Woods. If we're talking about at home, then my answer would be Lockout (it fit the criteria/definition, shut up) and before that, Premium Rush.
I have a small problem with Dredd
Anderson uses her powers too selectively - she should have eiher seen the kids coming, that the dude was going to escape his restraints, etc
Yeah, that second one bothered me as it was happening. The film is still great, though.
As for the question raised in this thread, I think asking for movies you specifically saw in a theater is a bit limiting. I'd just widen it to include the last perfect movie you saw, period. In the cinema, that would be The Avengers and before that, The Cabin In The Woods. If we're talking about at home, then my answer would be Lockout (it fit the criteria/definition, shut up) and before that, Premium Rush.
Yeah, I should say The Avengers rather than Cabin as I saw Avengers after. They were released within two weeks of each other (Cabin being first) back in April in the UK so I got mixed up. Although I still say by the DiF definition, Pitch Perfect is a perfect movie......
And while our tastes are usually similar, Pav, I didn't Lockout, thought it was bad. Premium Rush was a nice surprise, though. It was fun, although-
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-12-29 00:31:35)
Oh, don't worry. I know just as well as you do that Lockout isn't a "good" movie, but that's not what we're talking about here. I think it's a "perfect" movie. For me, Guy Pearce's performance and much of what his character said and did were what carried me through. It's essentially Luc Besson doing John Carpenter's lost "Escape" sequel, "Escape From Earth" but in this instance, Snake Plissken is a lot more delightful to be around. Not so surly. At the end of the day, I was surprised at just how much damn fun I had watching the movie and I really appreciate how sincere and honest it is about what kind of movie it aspired to be.
As for Premium Rush, I'm doing a commentary for that soon, so I'll just answer your questions there.
Cool, looking forward to it, always a fan of your comms.
Guy Pearce certainly carries Lockout but I am pretty sure if someone cared enough they could find faults with it and debunk your theory that it is a 'perfect movie'.......It won't be me, though, I can't be arsed watching it again
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-12-29 03:33:32)
At the end of the day, I was surprised at just how much damn fun I had watching the movie and I really appreciate how sincere and honest it is about what kind of movie it aspired to be.
Argh, that's not what it means.
Well shit, man. Tell me what it means, then! How else am I going to learn?
....Wait, my tiny review you're quoting from me here has nothing to do with why I think it's a perfect movie, just FYI. If we're operating under the definition of setting up what is paid off and vice versa, then I feel Lockout qualifies. Granted, I've only seen the movie once but I'm pretty sure every gun presented on the mantle was eventually fired.
Lockout is in no way shape or form a perfect movie, nor is it even an acceptable action movie. Completely squanders it's awesome premise, not a single memorable action beat, no violence, forgettable villains who don't even end up facing off with the hero, failure to use what should be an awesome location (a space prison is one of the potentially best action movie settings ever), Guy Pearce is fun as a wise-cracking hero but never gets to do anything cool enough to be the badass he clearly thinks he is.
Nothing wrong with enjoying it, but you're selling the concept short if you think it delivers on the premise.
Last edited by bullet3 (2012-12-29 08:27:06)
I can only shrug and repeat that it worked for me.
It's interesting that you mention how the villain doesn't end up facing off against the hero. You know what other movie is also guilty of that? The Fifth Element, also written by Luc Besson.
If I watch the movie again and go through it beat by beat and it turns out you're right about the wasted potential and not delivering on everything that's setup, then I'll retract my implication that it's a "perfect" movie.
Until then, does anyone else agree with me that Premium Rush is at least a perfect movie?
Remember that the DIF definition of perfect movie is a movie that has a payoff for every setup and vice-versa. It's not just "I enjoyed it as much as I expected to."
I thought it went further than that: I thought perfect also meant that no obvious part of the story's territory was left unexplored, so you're not left thinking: "it was good as far as it went, but they could have taken the idea of Chekov's Macguffin Factory sooo much further..."
Dorkman wrote:Remember that the DIF definition of perfect movie is a movie that has a payoff for every setup and vice-versa. It's not just "I enjoyed it as much as I expected to."
I thought it went further than that: I thought perfect also meant that no obvious part of the story's territory was left unexplored, so you're not left thinking: "it was good as far as it went, but they could have taken the idea of Chekov's Macguffin Factory sooo much further..."
Yes, you're right. I consider this part of the definition too.
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