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Yeah, I hit a post early in this thread where not only was Bullock's backstory revealed but the end of the movie was as well, both without warning (I think something similar was done in the actual podcast episode and then later, Trey said, "spoiler" either right before or right after dropping a plot bomb, rendering the "warning" pointless, either way). I saw that and went, "Well, I can't UN-KNOW that so fuck it, I might as well keep reading this thread."
I've grown accustomed to the idea that if I haven't seen something inside 2-3 weeks after release, I'll know at least most of the major plot points and characters just by browsing this forum, regardless of if it's a specific thread or not.
Abrams is a terrible action director. Shaky-cam all over the place, bad use of geography, and the guy refuses to give you master shots for the space stuff. It kinda bugged me in Star Trek 09, and really pissed me off in STID.
Not many directors are good with action direction these days - Michael Bay is pretty bad at it (or is now) and Peter Jackson isn't terribly good either (either in the LOTR or Hobbit).
The best I've seen recently is The Raid.
Spock wasn't upset about death and then later he was.
The character "development" is all in them just behaving differently when the plot needs them to. Their experiences don't actually lead them there.
Yeah but they forget that and make the character do it again in the sequel. He oses command of the Enterprise. For ten whole minutes. Making the conflict pointless.
Around these parts we call that "bringing your own concrete."
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Jimmy B says yes, fireproof78 says no and Dorkman I THINK is saying yes, kind of?
So, which is it? Having not seen the film but having consumed nearly every other opinion under the sun, I get the impression that the consensus on Star Trek: Into Darkness, is that it's a lot like watching a couple episodes of Glee: The characters don't grow past a certain point because any steps they take towards that are immediately undone by a giant reset button at the end, so the next episode can start over and repeat the same lessons, to the point where you'd almost expect the characters to not even change their clothes, like a damn cartoon. Furthermore, anything that the narrative may force the authors and the audience to commit to or deal with the consequences of can also be reset by either retconning to an alternate timeline or just plain forgetting about a character's "arc". See also: Heroes.
Judging by what is said in the episode itself, it's not just you.
I think the differences between the first and second Star Trek movie mirror some of the same issues that I have with the second Transformers compared to the first. The first Transformers is cocky and stupid but manages to carry me through the movie without to many questions and contain certain scenes and set pieces that are satisfying and well made. The second ones (Into Darkness & Revenge of the Fallen) are more confusing, less satisfying and overall a lot worse to experience.
Specifically, the opening sequence in Into Darkness is a god damn mess.
They (Spock and Kirk) are on a planet they are not allowed to be on, doing something they should not be doing, while also arguing with each other like it was someone other than themselves that are responsible for the situation they are in.
All of the arguing results in both defying each other in ways which goes against the person they where at the end of the first film (Kirk goes from learning to be a leader, to acting like a kindergarten teacher around crazy kids. Spock goes from having learnt how to express his feelings and having earned a friend, to yelling at that friend and sacrificing his own life for a mission he does not agree with). All of this for putting a bomb in a volcano and saving some aliens lives. Something that could very easily have been done from outside the planets atmosphere.
The movie could just have started with Kirk being relieved of his duties as captain while arguing about how the mission was handled. We don't need to, or want to see it.
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