Topic: In Defence of Smart Youtube

Earlier today we got into a discussion in the chat about youtube/online based content creators (Specifically we were talking about FreddieW and CorridorDigital) and how it seems a lot of them play to the lowest common denominator in their content; video games, cartoons, and explosions seems to be the common mix. And while I think that is true for those specific cases, I also think there's a lot of people out there that see youtube as a place for unintelligent mindlessness, cat videos and explosions etc. and nothing more.

And personally that pisses me the hell off, because I know it's not true, there are hundreds upon hundreds of channels producing high quality intelligent content on a regular basis. Most of them I can guarantee you I've never heard of, not because they're not good but because as the Hitchhiker's Guide would say.

"Youtube," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is."

All this to say, I think it would be a good idea to start a compilation thread. Channels producing intelligent, high quality content. (Note: intelligent does HAVE to mean: educational, or uses a lot of big words, or only talks about math, although it can. When I say intelligent, I mean, treats it's audience with respect, produces content that is entertaining and engaging, but assumes you are an intelligent individual and treats you as such.)

So as is the custom with these threads, I'll get us started.

Educational:

SciShow - A science news and educational channel
SciShow Space - Spin off of Sci-Show focusing solely on Space news and education
Crash Course - An educational series started and hosted by John and Hank Green comprising "classes" focusing on various subjects. So far they have done World History, Biology, Ecology, Literature, Us history, Psychology, and Literaure 2.
Numberphile This is a new one to me, but as far I can tell they focus on math based videos explaining various math problems and concepts.
Vihart Vihart produces a lot of great videos based on various math problems and random things related to same, filtered through the mind of someone very very bored in class and presented in amusing ways.
The Brain Scoop The rain Scoop, hosted by Emily Graslie, began as a project to document and teach people about Taxidermy and specimen preparation for museums, has blossomed into Emily becoming the Chief Curiosity Correspondant of the Field Museum in Chicago, and now produces videos showing off the collection and behind the scenes at the Field Museum

Vlogs/Music:

Vlog Brothers Of course this goes here. John and Hank Green began a project in 2007 to forbid themselves from textual commuincation with each, and only communicate in person or through videos. This led to them vlogging every day in 2007, and they've continued making intelligent, thought provoking and entertaining Vlogs ever since (Although not every day, Hank's kinda busy running his whole web media empire these days, and John has that whole writing thing)
Gunnarolla One of the few vlog channels I still actively follow. Gunnarolla produces very high quality vlogs, travelouges, music and music videos.
Andrew Huang Andrew produces very high quality music in a wide range of genres, often taking on user submitted challenges which leads to things like, a rap that only uses one vowel, a rap that doesn't use the letter E, eighties dubstep, dubste;p classical music and so on.
Good Mythical Morning GMM is a morning type show hosted by Rhett and Link, 2 youtube celebs in thier own right, where they talk about random things for 10 minutes every morning monday to friday.
Rhett and Link Rhett and Links personal, non GMM based, videos and projects.
What I'm Doing Right Now This is a weird one, and definitely a niche one. Michael Aranda (editor on scishow and crashcourse, and vlogger/content creator in his own right) began a project to simply document random moments in his life and post them for the world. It has since grown into a continueing vlog about the daly on going's of his life.
Michael Aranda Michaels main channel where all of his "real" videos go.
Wheezy Waiter An almost daily vlog where Craig Benzine talks about things that interest him and we learn the fates of his many and varied clones.
Ze Frank If anyone deserves to be considered one of the old gaurd of youtube creators it's Ze, he doesn't put out as much content as he used to, but everything he makes is gold
Jack Conte
Nataly Dawn
PomplamooseJack and Nataly (/\ Thier individual channels) form Pomplamoose, they produce a lot of great covers, original songs and music videos.

Food...ish:

SwedishMealTime What I'm %99 sure started as a parody of EpicMealTime has just entered their second season of Ordinary Swedish Meal preparation.
Hannah Hart Hannah rose to fame with her show My Drunk Kitchen, where she gets drunk and makes food and remains charming and hilarious the entire time, and has started to expand into other vloggity type areas.


Films:

Convos With My 2 Year Old A project started by a dad who loves the things his daughter says and does, but thought they would be even funnier said and done by a fully grown man. Thus Convos With My 2 Year old was born.
Simon's Cat The on going animated adventures of Simon and his cat.

That's all the time and attention span to I have to compile at the moment, there's a lot of music channels I didn't post, and I'm sure there are TONS that I don't even know about that someone out there could tell me about. So let's hear it! What do you have to share?

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Swell idea indeed.

Yes, Numberphile is great, as is all of Brady Haran's stuff. It explores complex mathematical problems in a way so that you don't need to be a math graduate student to understand what's going on. I also subscribe to Computerphile (computer science) and Sixty Symbols (physics).

A few more:

Screen Junkies - Honest Trailer guys.
Cinema Sins - Points out flaws in movies.
Filmmaker IQ - Cool lessons about the history of filmmaking.
Vsauce - Thought-provoking videos about random things.

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It's peculiar to be complaining about providers who cater to the lowest common denominator and then recommend a provider that gets drunk and cooks...

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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redxavier wrote:

It's peculiar to be complaining about providers who cater to the lowest common denominator and then recommend a provider that gets drunk and cooks...

Have you ever watched My Drunk Kitchen?

Just out of curiosity you understand.

And between the two I'm kinda surprised you went for MDK, when Regular Ordinary Swedish Mealtime is just sitting there in all it's screaming, food throwing, unintelligible glory. Just saying, you know.

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I watched a couple of episodes a long time ago, she appeared as a guest on TableTop and seemed fun to watch. It's not really my thing but isn't that objectionable. I'm just a little bewildered to see it be touted as a shining light of intelligent, smart YouTube. Eye of the beholder I guess.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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[Edit: to be reviewed upon regaining conciousness for fear of saying things I won't understand tomorrow]

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Re: Crash Course, John and Hank Green also do Mental Floss videos, which I usually find entertaining.

Link in the doobly-do.

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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Covering parts of my subscription feed that BDA didn't cover:

C.G.P. Grey - You've probably seen at least one of his videos. Maybe the one on the difference between the UK, Great Britain and England, or the one on the Canada/USA border. Most of his videos are really well researched and presented. He also has a podcast with Brady of Numberphile (and other channels) called Hello Internet.

Walk off the Earth - Canadian band that makes clever creative music videos. You probably saw their rendition of Somebody that I Used to Know on one guitar.

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I'll throw the channel I work for in the mix under the "entertainment" heading. High quality audio productions of scary stories. Think old time radio play sensibility, updated with modern production standards. Some amazingly written stuff and fantastic voice actors. And we don't barf them onto YouTube. I put in a minimal 30-40 hours per story for which I am the producer and go balls-to-the-wall cinematic in my approach.

Chilling Tales for Dark Nights

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redxavier wrote:

It's peculiar to be complaining about providers who cater to the lowest common denominator and then recommend a provider that gets drunk and cooks...

Have you seen "Drunk History"? It's the best of both of high and low brow entertainment and humor.

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Your Monty Pythons and your South Parks travel the same ground.

I write stories! With words!
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Also see:

This Exists
Clever factoids and neat topics about popular music

PBS Idea Channel
Entertaining yet generally well thought out and researched thoughts about the world around us

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Definitely love the Greens, and Mental Floss in particular, thanks for the reminder to sub that one. Two other science channels I subscribe to:

Smarter Every Day: I originally saw this from some slow-motion videos, but even then he does a great job analyzing the footage and explaining why something happens. He got a decent publicity boost lately from a video where he tied a helium balloon to the floor of his minivan and it leaned toward the direction of acceleration instead of away from it, but the first video of his I saw was his one on the Prince Rupert's Drop.

It's Okay To Be Smart: Sponsored by PBS, and entertaining. I just started following it but I enjoy what I've seen so far and plan on sitting down and watching a bunch in a row here pretty soon.

On a slightly different tack, I follow a camera review channel:

The Camera Store TV: Great camera reviews. Entertaining and funny, while still focusing on the matter at hand.

(I also considered adding lines for Lindsey Stirling and Peter Hollens but while I really enjoy their stuff, and they're certainly not dumb YouTube, I don't know that they're what you're aiming for with this thread.)

Boter, formerly of TF.N as Boter and DarthArjuna. I like making movies and playing games, in one order or another.

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Ehhhhhh to Lindsey Stirling. Not dumb. But not, great.

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Thanks for pitching in guys, awesome to see.

And in response to the question of why My Drunk Kitchen made this list. I typed up some ridiculously long response last night that ultimately wound up going no where and achieving almost nothing, and decided, rightly, not to post it. But now having had a day to mull it over, I think I have an answer that makes some sense.

When I say "smart youtube", I'm not just referring to channels that promote intelligence, rational thinking and curiosity, although those are great and amazing things to have. But just having those would render my idea of youtube as a smart, entertainment platform, a bit null, leaving it more of an entertaining classroom than anything. So I think what I mean when I say smart youtube, is channels and content creators that are very clearly trying to go outside of the status quo of internet entertainment, go outside the first gut reaction punchline, channels that don't repackage memes and throw them at your face in a new shiny coat.

And I think all of the channels I posted do that. When you hear the name My Drunk Kitchen and I tell you it's a youtube show, your mind (probably) instantly flashes to visions of drunken frat boys around a stove pouring beer on large flanks of meat... or some such stereotypical visage of drunks and cooking. But that's not what MDK is, the drunk part of MDK is just a small aspect of the show, it's not vulgar or excessive, I mean she has some drinks, tries to cook something, makes puns, and is adorable for 10 minutes. To me that seems like something new and different, and entertaining.

Regular Ordinary Swedish Mealtime takes the idea of a cooking show, (and just to drive my point home, we'll use Epic Meal Time as a comparison here), and completely flips it over. Whereas Epic Meal Time is based on "hmm, what does the internet love? Oh bason, whiskey and douchebags....ALLTHEBACONWHISKEYANDDOUCHEBAGSTHEN", Swedish Mealtime is in a foreign... I'm assuming real..ish language, not that it actually matters, making normal food, in an extreme manner. It's something so off the wall and weird, that you have to admire the guts it took to make it, it could have just floundered and been forgotten, but they did it, and did it as damn good as they could, and it found an audience.

I mean they aren't perfect examples, and I'm sure there are better ones out there, and I'm certain my explanation is lacking, but hopefully I'm getting at least some of my point across. At the end of the day, I think a smart youtube is one where creators are pushing the boundaries, saying "Yes, I know we're an internet based show, but we can make legitimate, original, entertaining content, without relying on those push-me-and-I-giggle buttons that a certain sector of internet users rely so heavily on". Which is why I include channels like MDk and ROSWT, and decidedly don't include channels like CorridorDigital and FeddieW. And then add in all the channels using youtube as a source to spread intellectualism and scientific curiosity and all that good stuff into the definittion as well...  maybe my definition should be kind of two fold... ehhh, I'll keep working on it.

Hopefully that makes sense, and maybe gives you guys a better idea of why I see youtube and online media creation the way I do.

PS. Unfortunately this definition does sort of highlight why I have hesitation about posting music channels. Music is something altogether different, music is...well...music, I know that sounds condescending, and it's not meant to. But at the end of the day, it's very very hard to make a music chanel something truly special, such that it stands out. I think Pomplamoose does this by making fantastic and original music videos while also having spectacular music. Gunnarolla and Andrew Huang I include because they work very closely with their fans in their content creation, it is much more of a community than it is an artist producing and releasing an album. Whereas, a channel like Mike Tompkins or Peter Hollens, while they are very good musicians, and the quality of their work is very high, I just find it blending into the background in the context of this thread. Where that actual dividing line is, I don't know, and more than likely it is something decided solely on personal preference. So please by all means post artists you love who are making high quality content, I have no issue with that and would love to find new music channels, this little PS was more me talking through an issue I have with my own definition and the idea of this little concept.

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The interesting thing about My Drunk Kitchen lately is that it's not even the focus of Hannah's efforts online, I think. She's implied or even outright said that she doesn't enjoy drinking for the sake of getting drunk like when she first started the series - the difference of being 24 years old to 27 years old, probably - and instead does a ton of community outreach. On her tours she makes sure that stops are near places to gather a ton of fans and volunteer. Her vlog channel often takes on real and impactful subjects.

A weird way to look at it is, the girl who made it big by getting drunk online is a role model that every parent should be proud of their kids idolizing.

Boter, formerly of TF.N as Boter and DarthArjuna. I like making movies and playing games, in one order or another.

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I find early My Drunk Kitchen videos inspiring in ways that professional cooking shows aren't. Look! You can skip half the ingredients and make it up as you go and it can still be delicious!

I don't even drink and that's the way I cook.

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Me too.  Baking is architecture, and cooking is like improv, I find.

Eddie Doty

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I don't follow a whole lot of Youtube channels, but one that I've been subscribed to for a while is Marble Hornets, aka the web-series that featured Slender Man before Slender Man was a thing. To date, it's the only treatment of the character I've seen that's genuinely scary.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I don't follow a whole lot of Youtube channels, but one that I've been subscribed to for a while is Marble Hornets, aka the web-series that featured Slender Man before Slender Man was a thing. To date, it's the only treatment of the character I've seen that's genuinely scary.

I think that's a fair entry, too. They're definitely doing something that's its own thing. Well before Slender Man became a part of the larger cultural zeitgeist, these guys were inspired by the idea and went ahead creating a long form fictional series from it.

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Boter wrote:

The interesting thing about My Drunk Kitchen lately is that it's not even the focus of Hannah's efforts online, I think. She's implied or even outright said that she doesn't enjoy drinking for the sake of getting drunk like when she first started the series - the difference of being 24 years old to 27 years old, probably - and instead does a ton of community outreach. On her tours she makes sure that stops are near places to gather a ton of fans and volunteer. Her vlog channel often takes on real and impactful subjects.

A weird way to look at it is, the girl who made it big by getting drunk online is a role model that every parent should be proud of their kids idolizing.

THIS. FUCKING THIS. ALL OF THIS. There is no argument on this planet that could ever convince Hannah doesn't deserve to be on this list, but the complaint was specifically lodged at MDK, so that's what I was responding too.

*Ahem*

Quite.

I think that's one of things I love most about a lot of youtube people, they got attention and a following doing..something, whatever thier thing was. But then a lot of them start using that audience, and that attention to do a lot of good. I mean John And Hank, and the 50 million things they started to do over the years, the Foundation to Reduce World Suck, the Project for Awesome, bringing ALOT of attention to Kiva. And then you have Hannah doing her stuff, KurtJMac raising...what is it now? Nearly 270 thousand dollars for Childs Play, the mindcrack guys doing a massive marathon adding nearly 120 thousand of those.

And NONE of that, would have happened without Youtube, and specifically the communities that grow around these channels. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Hank posted this today.

And I thought it was oddly fitting, so Imma post it here.

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Lindy Beige: https://www.youtube.com/user/lindybeige

A rather entertaining, and educational, look in to historical combat. I find it to be rather fun, as he has a similar sense of humor to mine own, as well as some interesting information. There is a lot of historical information, as well as a few film reviews of combat, and archery, being done (poorly) in films.

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Primarily, I follow music channels. I also follow a lot of moviemaking shows and cfx in general.
It's not that I think of YouTube as stupid, but I do watch a lot of stupid videos. I'm well aware that there are very good videos on there, with intelligent, smart and even great content.

My various go-to channels:

MRSolidSnake745 - Although the name is ridiculous at best, this guy takes various songs and tunes, and turns them into floppy-drive music. It's not always great, but mostly it's pretty awesome.

SmoothMcGroove - Again, don't let the name fool you. Smoothie here, is pretty good at turning video game music into one-man acapella. They're really something!

NavajoJoeFilms - While I made his logo recently, Navajo Joe, or Harrison Bahe as he's actually called, makes a lot of intellingent and moving films.

MysteryGuitarMan - A musical genius of sorts. He makes his own material with just about anything that makes a sound, or covers other people's music in his own fashion. Great style, albeit a little hyperactive.

Dorkly - Dorkly does several things, Dorkly Bits being my favorite. They use sprites from old SNES games and reanimate them to make funny shorts.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

...but the complaint was specifically lodged at MDK, so that's what I was responding too.

Not sure it really counted as a complaint, and the comment was less about MDK specifically and more about the potential for a double standard being applied. What for instance is acceptable exploitation of low common denominators and who gets to decide? Can all agree on the lowest common denominators anyway? Why is the use of cartoon animation ok for one channel and not for another? Why is one ridiculous comedy series better than another ridiculous comedy series?

You've explained your intentions better above, though I completely disagree on FreddieW's channel. I struggle to think of another channel that has broken the typical youtube mold of "talking crap into webcam" more.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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