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The love of silent movies in this thread warms my heart. Buster Keaton was the man. Quite possibly the greatest physical comedian in the history of cinema. I'd throw in some Laurel and Hardy too, especially Way Out West and The Music Box (although, these are talkies). I'd say watch the others first and only really get to L & H if you have the time. There's no rush.

Anyway, how about some Jackie Chan? He's like an Asian Buster Keaton with added martial arts. A lot of his stuff is very heavily influenced by stunts in silent comedies. Just look at the hanging from the clock scene in Project A. I recommend that and Police Story. smile

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Jackie Chan essentials are Armour of God 2, Meals on Wheels, and the aforementioned Project A.

Eddie Doty

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Wheels on Meals is excellent, don't think I've seen Armour of God 2. (EDIT: I have, but know it as Operation Condor. Thanks Wiki)

No love for the first Police Story, Eddie? It's probably more stunt orientated than martial arts heavy.

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Police Story 1 is possibly my favorite Jackie Chan film, the shopping mall climax is one of the all time great action set-pieces. Love Operation Condor as well, though with Jackie films I always struggle with the abrupt tonal shifts (police story really has this problem, it swings between being like a light romantic comedy to a gritty/brutal dirty-harry type flick).

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Yeah, the tone is all over the place but that mall scene is fantastic. And the film influenced so many others that totally ripped it off (Tango & Cash, Bad Boys II to name less than three)

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Eddie wrote:

Jackie Chan essentials are Armour of God 2, Meals on Wheels, and the aforementioned Project A.

It's Wheels on Meals dammit! wink

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Well there are enough movies on here to last you a couple months, so  I'll just add that you should watch all of the works of Hayao Miyazaki (with emphasis on Princess Mononoke), as well as Akira.

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Best Jackie Chan movie? Killer Meteor. Best Jackie fight sequence ever.

You should also watch City Of God. Good flick, tho dark as all hell.

I was kidding about Killer Meteor btw. It's pretty funny, tho.

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I will toss in the required non-Pixar animated suggestions.

  • The Wings of Honnamise- an incredible tale of a nations first attempt at space flight (its beauty and detail all the more amazing because it was created by a bunch of geeks after a fan film got some attention). Watch it subtitled, as the English dub changes two critical lines of dialog

  • Voices of a Distant Star- one man on a Mac created this incredibly moving short

  • Nausicca of the Vally of the Wind- actually, any Miyazaki film will do, but this is one of his best.

  • Watership Down- adaptation of the novel.

  • Batman The Animated Series- what can you do when told to make a kids superhero show? This. Also the anime series Mobile Suit Gundam for the same "they turned a toy commercial into THAT?" vibe.

LOL I double post.

I have to address this, cause I love this post.

1) Wings of Honnamise is a great film and is criminally unknown even in anime circles. Love that movie and how it handles the themes going on.
2) The same guy who did Voices of a Distant Star ended up starting his own studio, hiring some people and making a couple more movies (and probably more since it's been several years since the last that I'm aware of). First was "5cm/sec" which is a collection of three shorts about a guy's long-distance relationship with a girl at three different points in his life. I completely love the first of the three and consider it the best thing he's ever done. The second one is pretty good as well. The third is... not...

He then made a movie called "The Place Promised In Our Early Days" which is a feature film and is pretty damn good despite the way it uses the standard anime trope of going completely batshit insane in the last act.

3) Yes. Though Porco Rosso is my favorite of his movies, the manga of Nausicaa is one of the greatest fantasy stories ever told. The movie version is only about half the story told in a condensed way. I'd love to see someone actually do the whole series as a film trilogy or something. It is the definition of epic and I highly recommend the books.

4) Plague Dogs, by the same people who made Watership Down, is also quite good. I think Watership goes back and forth between being a silly kid's film and being a horrifyingly dark adult film. Plague Dogs is 100% pitch black adult film that only occasionally does something lighthearted or whimsical.

5) I have no comment on Batman.

I will make recommendation for you! If you've not seen them, check out:

1) Perfect Blue. "It's what Hitchcock and Walt Disney would make if they worked together" says idiot US film critic! It's a Kon film, so you've probably already seen it.

2) Now and Then, Here and There. Miniseries of - I think - 12 episodes, each an hour or so long. It starts out kinda goofy, with a kid who's sorta happy-go-lucky who meets a weird girl named "La La Lu" and then people riding giant robotic dragon pokemons show up to kidnap her. However, after a couple of episodes you realize where it's going, and then you eventually get to some of the climactic moments of the series and just... It's one of the better examples of character development / arcs and overall themes I've seen in anime. DO NOT watch the dubbed version. Dear god they brutalized a few of the characters in the dub.

3) Paranoia Agent. Dozen episodes. Most of the episodes focus on a different character, though there's more overlap to the stories in the second half of the series. It tackles a lot of different subjects, but deals mostly with people who are unable to cope with some serious problem they have and how they avoid dealing with it. This one, again, veers into batshit crazy territory in the last couple of episodes, but it's worth a watch.

4) Tekkonkinkreet. Batshit pretty much all the way through it, but has a lot going on under all the crazy.

5) Mindgames. Batshit doesn't even come close to describing what this is.

Sorry, I just don't often talk about anime. I usually avoid it like the plague cause I've found most of it to be really dumb or too obviously trying to be smart or whatever, and then they end with some Deus Ex Machina metaphysical BS. I stopped watching them because I'd get all invested in the characters and story and everything would build and swell into a climactic moment, and then it would anticlimax and I'd get narrative blueballs.

Also, Persepolis was a pretty good foreign animated flick.

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If by some chance you haven't seen Cowboy Bebop yet, fix this immediately (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh8JkogEaFs&t=2m1s). It's a great gateway drug into anime, an awesome piece of pop sci-fi (very reminiscent of Firefly), and has one of the best Jazz soundtracks ever made. Samurai Champloo is also pretty good.

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Haven't seen (or heard of) Sorcerer, but based on that poster and Trey's plot description, as I was reading, before Trey said as much, my brain went to HEY WAIT WAGES OF FEAR!

The Wages of Fear though, I have seen, is awesome, from 1953, and directed by Clouzot. The image of that poster is beyond the production values Wages of Fear managed, and for all I know it could be a better film, but the more you know, right? Essentialize all of them.

http://www.theasc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/07.-wages-of-fear-copy.jpg

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Paranoia Agent falls into the "made to look deep but there's nothing there" camp, as admitted by the creators on the commentary. All dialog that would tell you what the fuck was going on was removed, and they started animating with no idea what the ending was. That said, yeah it's a fun show smile (other shows of this type include Lain and Key the Metal Idol)

Cowboy Bebop is a great show. Many, at the time, said that Firefly was ripping this off. However, the show Firefly is more similar to is the not quite as good Outlaw Star, which actually starts with a mysterious nude girl found in a suitcase. Either an amazing coincidence, or Joss saw that and said, "I can do a western in space with a nude suitcase girl better than this!"

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Since I'm a documentary guy, I'll give you my essential Doc list as well:

Mr. Death
My Brother's Keeper
Twist of Faith
Capturing the Friedman's
The War Room
Gimme Shelter (featuring camera work by some kid named George Lucas)
The "Up" series by Michael Apted
Thin Blue Line
Dogtown and Z Boys
Jesus Camp
Spellbound
E-Dreams
Roger and Me
Vernon, Florida
Hoop Dreams
The Interrupters
Decline of Western Civilization (all 3)
Ken Burns Civil War
Why We Fight
When We Were Kings
Baraka
Woodstock
Fog of War
The Bridge
Hearts of Darkness
Overnight
Gates of Heaven
Marwencol
Dark Days
Z Channel
Kid Stays in the Picture
Dear Zachary (please check yourself into a 72 hour suicide watch immediately following this film)

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I would also add 'gasland' and 'exit through the gift shop' to Eddie's doc list.

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I tend to judge a documentary based on subject rather than, perhaps, craft, so have to mention 'In the Realms of the Unreal'. If nothing else it will introduce you to Henry Darger.

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I recommended King of Kong to a few people the other day who aren't that much into documentary and they all loved it.

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Eddie wrote:

Since I'm a documentary guy, I'll give you my essential Doc list as well:

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Jesus. Looks like I've got some "essential viewing" to do....

BTW, add Don't Look Back to that list.

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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Another doc well worth watching (and currently on Netflix streaming): Cave of Forgotten Dreams.    Werner Herzog may be a bit "out there" in his approach to the material, but the topic is fascinating.

While I'm at it, same goes for Grizzly Man.

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Grizzly Man was on my short list.  It nearly made that cut.  It is pretty fantastic, and I feel bad about having no Herzog and only one Pennebaker/Hegedus film on there.  Cave of Forgotten Dreams is in my instant queue and I plan to see it soon.  Same with Herzog's death row doc.

Eileen: Portrait of a Serial Killer nearly made it, but man I cannot STAND Nick Brooomfields style.

I also felt bad about not including my former employers Fenton Bailey and Randy Barbato.  THey've made some truly great docs, starting with Party Monster, Eyes of Tammy Faye, 101 Rent Boys, Monica in Black and White and in my mind their best work, their doc series One Punk Under God.

Eddie Doty

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Owen Ward wrote:

I recommended King of Kong to a few people the other day who aren't that much into documentary and they all loved it.

King of Kong is very good, and a good story.  Well worth your time, I just don't know if I'd use "essential," as a way to describe it.  The list I made wasn't a "Quick, name every documentary youknow!" list.  Every film on there in some way covers a different approach to non fiction filmmaking, either in aesthetic, technique, or execution.

Eddie Doty

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Is Werner Herzog primarily a doc guy?  I haven't seen many of his films.

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He did a lot of docs early in his career, but came up as sort of an avant garde storyteller.  He's best known for his stuff with Klaus Kinski.

Eddie Doty

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I think his full name is Klaus Crazyasaloon Kinski.

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Werner actually made a doc about their relationship called My Best Fiend.

Eddie Doty

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I really need to see My Best Friend, most of the stuff I've heard about Herzog/Kinski is hilarious.

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