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I started Doctor Who with the 2nd series (the whole thing), then jumped back to the first. While I certainly agree the show gets better as it goes along, at least technically, I do regret having not started with the first series.
And yeah, Love and Monsters and Fear Her are both shit.
OK, can we just get rid of this whole "first series, 5th series" thing? The show started in 1963. Just name the Doctor. That's all the "series" information we need!
That has reminded me, if anybody hasn't seen Torchwood: Children of Earth - watch it now! It's only five episodes long, but it's one of my favourite pieces of television of all time.
Do you need some sort of context to fully enjoy it?
I've been curious about Who for a long time, but I was scarred by a few minutes of one episode when I was very young (where some monsters come walking ashore from out of the sea)... and then I caught a bit of a christmas special a few years ago and just found it utterly bonkers.
Ya, can someone explain what the hell torchwood IS? How is it connected to Doctor Who? (without spoilers of course).
Trey is spot on. As a matter of fact, season 1 of Torchwood is abysmally horrid ("Oh, we are ADULT, see - bring on the nudity and gay sex for... wait what, do we need a reason"?), and Children of Earth is the Pinnacle of it, and can be watched by itself with no more knoweledge than abve.
And for Trey: The good part about Smith as the doctor is that he goes even more loopy. But I think you should bathe in a little more Tennant first 
/Z
The great thing about Torchwood is that each series sort of reboots itself. Here in the UK it started on BBC Three and moved up the ladder as it went on, so it had to in a way reinvent itself each time for the new audience. As Zap said, the first series is a bit 'Look, we're swearing and we have an alien that feeds on orgasms!', but Children of Earth is just sublime.
Non sequitur to the current topic, but what happened to Intermission #59?
Surprised no one on the panel has watched The Sopranos. I just finished it, and it's really superb. Totally deserving of all the praise heaped on it, and tons of fun to watch.
Just for the fun of it, I looked at the wiki entry for the 1981 Lone Ranger movie. I never saw it in theaters, for the same reason nobody else did: the horrible PR regarding TV Lone Ranger Clayton Moore. Basically, the new owners of the rights forbid the old guy from wearing the mask at county fair appearances, and came out looking like evil bullies (not good in Reagan's new America!). I do remember catching it on TV much later, and thinking it wasn't horrible. I'm now amused to see a) Christopher Lloyd played the bad guy, and b) they re-dubbed the voice of the guy playing the Lone Ranger. That... well, that's a special kind of stupid.
So, wait, the panel really likes The Newsroom? I've never watched it, but I thought it was pretty much universally acknowledged to be terrible.
Universally acknowledged? Hell no.
I liked it a lot, interesting characters (Olivia Munn's especially, since she's incredibly smart), some great dynamics between the characters (the two principals in particular), clever writing, and a presentation of the 'ideal news program' that we all want to believe is real somewhere. It's let down by a crass romantic subplot (which was done much better in Studio 60) and it occasionally dips into the bucket of sentimental sanctimony.
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