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So that just happened...
Now Walt's out of town for what, at least 8-9 months*? What draws him back to ABQ?
My guess is that he finds out Jesse is cooking for Jack's gang, so he comes back to town to kill them all. I thought there was a chance he would let Jesse go after Hank died, but now it seems clear that he has 0 interest in letting Jesse live. And Jack & Co. crossed him by using Jesse instead of killing him, so they'll have to pay for that.
Jesse told them about the tape he made with Hank and Gomie, I think Marie would have known about that, so maybe Jack goes after the rest of Walt's family to tie up loose ends. That would be a different reason for coming back than my first thought, but either way I'm thinking the huge gun is to take out some neo-Nazis (and Jesse).
* 52nd birthday in the flash-forward in 501, 51st birthday in 504, the montage in 508 was ~3 months I think?
Yeah, "Ozymandias" was pretty uneventful, huh?
After this episode, it's even more clear that the relevance of Shelley's sonnet is two-fold. Not only has Walt's meth-based empire crumbled, but so has the "empire" of his family. All this time he'd been able to maintain both empires, and now the one crumbling down has toppled over the other. If Walt does get away, it's possible he could build another drug empire, but he can't repair what's been broken at home. From the fam's point of view, Walt is Hank's murderer, Skyler's attempted murderer, and Holly's kidnapper. Clearly Thanksgivings at the White household would be awkward.
When Walt told Jesse about Jane, it almost felt like there was a missing line there. Walt's logic seems to be that he blames Jesse for causing the chain of events that led to Hank's death. I expected Jesse's retort to be something like "Well now we're even, I guess." But it's more realistic the way the writers had it. Jesse was hysterical, not in any state of mind to deliver a snappy comeback.
There was no levity whatsoever in this episode. From here on out, that's the way it might be. The rational, calculating Walt is being consumed by emotions. It made no sense to take Holly with him when he fled the house. But it made emotional sense in that Walt begged his wife and son to come with him, and when they refused, he grabbed the only family member he could carry. (Leaving his own kid at the firehouse was, for me, one of the most fucked up things WW has ever done. Btw, did Walt turn the fire truck's lights on, or did Holly? Clever girl...)
Cranston has said that the series ends in a way that's utterly unrelenting and brutal. It feels like we're already there, but apparently it gets more savage. You let that sink in.
I was surprised at how surprised Junior was. When his aunt and mom told him what was up (hey, who was working the register at that time?), he was incredulous. It would have been funny if he'd said "Yeah, um, I figured dad was a meth cook!" All this time I guess I've imagined that Junior was quietly suspicious that something weird was up with dear old dad. Maybe I figured the writers would at some point do the old someone-with-a-disability-is-actually-sharp-as-a-tack trope with Junior, but once again they did something way better than I expected.
The phone conversation with Skyler reveals Walt's true feelings. Skyler's crime, in his mind, was "disrespect" and not believing in him. Hank crossed me, and you toe the line or you'll end up like him, he tells her. I think he's serious.
Part of the reason Gus Fring was better at this whole drug kingpin thing was because he had no family to protect, no reputation to maintain except as the manager of Los Pollos Hermanos. And he had no ego, no wish that others would recognize and appreciate his brilliance. And of course there's the fact that he was ruthless in ways that Walt even now can't bring himself to be. Gus would have shot his DEA brother-in-law himself, or probably killed him long before things came down to a showdown in the desert.
Hot damn did I dig that episode.
^^ Ya, that phone call is semi-redeeming in that way, although he's so far gone that it can be a bit hard to tell which parts of the call are serious and which are staged for the cops.
Well, okay then. That happened. ![]()
I presume we're now going to close the loop and see Walt return home to take care of whatever business he's come to take care of. Of course, gven the way this show likes to jump around in time we could get an entire flashback episode of Walt and Skyler's wedding for all I know.
The questions I'm most curious about now - why is Jesse still alive after all these months? (Because he clearly will be.) Is he the sole master of the blue meth and thus too valuable to get rid of? Is he still a prisoner or is he running the show? And good grief, Uncle Jack and co. already grabbed 70-some million dollars and they'll have been cooking for months... how much cash is piled up NOW?
No, I think that time has passed. Walt was perfectly prepared to watch Jesse take a bullet to the head. It was Todd who stopped it, and he wasn't manipulated by Walt to do so. Walt does not expect to see Jesse alive again, he just wanted to make sure he suffered first. In his eyes, Jesse got Hank killed, so he wants to give some of that pain back.
I think there's a good chance that what you're saying will be the consequence of him doing so, but I don't believe it was Walt's intention.
Well, Trey, you were right. The Jane thing did come back. And I did NOT see it coming. Holy shit.
Nothing that happened in this episode, I guessed beforehand. And I'm still not sure how we're going to reconnect with the flash forwards.
I do believe Jesse is somehow gonna get out of this alive. He deserves it, after all that's happened. But is he going to be the one who pulls the trigger on Walt? I still don't know.
Right now I believe too that the big gun we see in the flash forwards is for the neo-nazis. But how is Walt going to learn about them? What will upset him so much that he'll decide to go back to Albuquerque? After everything that's happened, I don't think he'd come back just because he's learned that they overtook his empire. He knows he's lost. Or is his pride going to win again? He would certainly not come back because they have Jesse - he was ready to let him be tortured and die.
My guess is that they're going to go after Skyler and Junior. Why? I'm not sure. But to me, they're the only reason Walt would come back for revenge. That, or:
Jesse is freed - how? Todd? - and decides he wants revenge. For Brock, for all the lies - and now for Jane. During his - probably - months of captivity, I think Walt's last words will have had time to make his rage grow. I don't think he'd go as far as to hurt or kill them, but use them to make Walt come back? I'd buy that.
This is going to be a long week.
Walt's reasons for wanting Jesse dead are all pretty much invalid now. He has no personal grudge against Jesse and never did - any more than he hated (or even knew the names of) all those murdered jailhouse witnesses. Walt's actions toward Jesse have always been driven by Jesse's usefulness and/or threat to Walt at any given moment.
So at first he hired the Nazis to kill Jesse because Jesse was working with Hank to bring Walt down. Then he was willing to let the Nazis execute Jesse in exchange for letting Hank live, but that was never going to happen. So then he gladly let the Nazis take Jesse so Walt himself could walk away, go get his family and escape. Except - Walt's own family screwed up that plan by refusing to run away with him.
So now Walt's lost everything... but there's also no potential harm to Walt if Jesse lives. The house of cards has already collapsed. So I don't think Walt's come all the way back to do harm to Jesse. I think in some twisted Walt-logic way, it may be the opposite.
It seems to me that part of what makes the phone call at the end so fascinating is that it isn't uniformly obvious where the line is between sincere Walt and calculating Walt. Some of the things he said that were intended to make Skyler look less complicit were also skewed expressions of actual resentments he's long felt toward her. And when he cautions her to toe the line or she'll end up like Hank, some of that could be just more bluster and smokescreen and anger, and some of it could be a sincere word of caution to Skyler about just how much she wants to continue working with the cops beyond the missing child/Amber alert stuff. At this point, I'm not sure Walt knows exactly what's going on in his own head, where these demarcations are. He's doing a lot of desperate improvisation lately.
It is pretty cool how the episode is bookended with the phone calls. In the first Skyler is totally clueless, and in the second she knows what's up. Both times Walt appears to have little dignity—he's lying his ass off (pantsless) and then at rock-bottom, on the run.
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